Cops were in pursuit of 13 yr old on dirt bike. He crashed and died

[Demovictory9]

https://www.newser.com/story/314986/family-of-teen-killed-on-dirt-bike-wants-answers-from-fla-cops.html

Authorities in Boynton Beach, Fla., are calling the death of a young Black teen over the weekend "devastating" after the boy crashed into a street sign while riding his dirt bike. But family members of Stanley Davis Jr. are outraged, saying the only reason Stanley is dead is because police were pursuing him in the first place.

Police say the 13-year-old was seen Sunday around 1pm riding "recklessly" on his red-and-white bike, prompting cops to "[attempt] a traffic stop." That's when the Florida Highway Patrol says Stanley apparently lost control of his bike, hit a curb, got thrown from the bike, and smashed into a street sign

[tishaLA]

1. It's unconscionable. A kid on a bike. Police pursue.

I saw that FL Highway Patrol is going to investigate, but I have exceptionally low expectations that the cop is going to face any discipline.

Link to tweet

[Progressive Jones]

2. I've had it with stupid, shitty cops. Clean up your PDs, America! nt

[Progressive Lawyer]

54. #bikelife

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[Doodley]

3. Sorry, he died, but why are the cops being blamed for the recklessness of the kid?

[smirkymonkey]

4. So tragic and senseless.

RIP, young Stanley.

[Sympthsical]

5. So . . . was he driving recklessly?

This is framed to be as outraging as possible, but any sort of details whatsoever would be nice before grabbing pitchforks.

Dirt bikes - or any motorized vehicle - can be pulled over for traffic infractions. Hell, one time I got pulled over on a bicycle by police, because I was going the wrong way down the street (it was 2 AM, and the streets were totally empty).

I'd want to hear more to this story. I followed several links, and I saw nothing that suggests this was some kind of high speed pursuit. We haven't been provided with any details about what prompted this. Motorized bikes can, will, and have killed pedestrians. Regular bikes will do the trick as well.

So, what's the story here?

All we have is that police were trying to pull him over, he fled, and he hit a median and died.

[obamanut2012]

9. Am local, look at my reply downthrrad

The parents need to be arrested.

[Sympthsical]

16. Oh wow

Thanks for the additional information. I did manage to find some video, which is pretty wild just in what little we see:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16191351

Wrong way where a car had turned moments before, then what seems through a red light intersection.

I feel terrible a 13 year-old is dead. It's tragic. But I don't see how this gets laid anywhere near police.

[obamanut2012]

44. Yup, there was no chase

He clipped a woman's car, which may have been why he lost control.

Federal is one of the major roads here -- it's US 1. And, we have holiday and snowbird traffic. That gas station is at a major intersection.

[Raine]

6. Not enough details here to know who was in the wrong

it's best not to jump to conclusions with so little to go on. 🤔

[bluecollar2]

7. The kid on the bike was at fault.

Equally at fault were his parents or guardians.

There is an epidemic of juvenile delinquency running through communities in south I Florida. I witness this type of behaviour on a routine basis where I live.

When these kids aren't tearing it up in traffic, they're doing it in the farm fields.

No sympathy from me.

[obamanut2012]

10. This

[madville]

22. It's in Jacksonville FL also

Solo riders and large groups on off-road dirt bikes and quads recklessly endangering everyone else on the road. Many wearing Go Pro style cameras so they can post it online later too, police chases get tons of views.

[obamanut2012]

8. I'm local,not true

Kid was on a dirt bike riding like a maniac down a major, very busy road in a heavily populated area. Cops tried to do a traffic stop, kid sped away weaving through traffic, another driver clipped the kid who went down and died. Cops had no idea it was a kid, lid endangered lives.

The kid being a good student means nothing.

The family can go fuck themselves. Why did they give a child a non street legal bike in a city? And allow him to ride on Federal??? A 13 year old cannot ride any motorcycle on a street anyway.

This has become a thing here, and it us very dangerous. Lids driving dirt bikes and quads on major roads and I 95.

I loathe most cops, but they didn't do anything here. They didn't go to kill a black child.

[madville]

21. I almost got hit by a mob of dirt bikes and quads

On Beach Blvd in Jacksonville FL one day. They were maybe 30-40 of them, recklessly weaving around traffic, popping wheelies, riding in the oncoming lane, etc. All appeared to be teenage boys. Also if you look on YouTube, there are hundreds of Go Pro videos from these types of riders running from the police, harassing motorists in cars, destroying property, etc. Many get away but some don’t.

[obamanut2012]

45. Yup, you see these kids out on 95

Between Boca and West Palm. All through major roads like this kid. THey really need to do something.

This kid was on major streets here, very busy, close to 95. He could have killed someone.

[Jose Garcia]

55. Only a few weeks until MLK weekend. You know what that means

[Vinca]

11. If the kid wasn't driving recklessly, he wouldn't have hit anything whether the cops

were around or not. Sometimes it's the victim's fault, even if the victim is young. Maybe I have a bias because I despise dirt bikes. They're noisy, dangerous and when taken into the woods they destroy the habitats for both plants and animals. A 13 year old shouldn't have one to drive around.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. From what I understand, under Boynton Beach PD policy (as with most departments), reckless driving

is not a valid reason for pursuit. Doesn't stop them from trying, though!

[MichMan]

13. That doesnt make sense

Someone can drive 100 mph in a school zone going the wrong way down a one way street, while running stop signs, and the police are prohibited from stopping them?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. They're not "prohibited from stopping them."

And it depends on the policy. Most have an allowance for pursuit when it comes to "flagrantly reckless driving." But there's definitely a tension between wanting to reduce high-speed chases for misdemeanors and the cop urge to control everything they can.

[Sympthsical]

15. Have you seen the video?

Wrong way down the street, running a red through the intersection on a major street. And that's just a small clip. We haven't seen what the rest looked like.

Sometimes, reflexive condemnation of police doesn't work, and it becomes discrediting to attempt it. This is looking like one of those times.

This is why, when sharing articles on social media, context and information are key. The original article had little information.

The headline "Kid tragically dies after making stupid, dangerous choices," isn't as juicy and less likely to generate those clicks and get the outrage machine going.

But it would've been the honest angle.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. The video where the cop also runs the stop sign and almost t-bones a car because he's engaging

in pursuit? Yes. From what I can find, the BBPD policy calls for pursuit only if they suspect the person has performed a "forcible felony." That is not the case here.

[Sympthsical]

18. You go with that

As I said, sometimes reflexiveness can be discrediting.

Kid was a danger to himself and others.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. It's okay, I am definitely not worried about whether I'm "discredited" or not.

[Demsrule86]

27. Many cops are a danger to Black kids...how many white kids has this happened to? How

white kids have been gunned down with a toy gun in their hands. We know that there are white supremacists infiltrating the police departments... I would argue particularly in Florida.

[Demsrule86]

28. The kid feared for his life and was being chased.

[Sympthsical]

32. Lord

Going to use that word again.

Discrediting.

When the obvious must be warped to serve purpose, then why is anything else said to be taken as valid?

[cinematicdiversions]

37. The only thing the cops should do is arrest the parents.

This is outrage bait. The PD did nothing wrong.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

40. It appears they didn't follow their own policy about pursuit.

[cinematicdiversions]

41. I dont know. I would be interested to see if it was really a high speed pursuit.

Or if the cop was just following the reckless vehicle.

Still the knee jerk outrage bait designed to cause strife is embarrassing to all involved.

[obamanut2012]

47. It wasn't

I'm local. There was no chase, there was an attempted traffic stop.

[obamanut2012]

46. Right, they can't chase

They can attempt a traffic stop.

[madville]

19. Cops are not at fault here

“But family members of Stanley Davis Jr. are outraged, saying the only reason Stanley is dead is because police were pursuing him in the first place.”

That is the problem right there, it’s not the “only reason” or a reason at all. There are multiple other reasons though like a 13 year old shouldn’t be riding an off-road dirt bike unsupervised on public roads and he shouldn’t be running from police attempting a lawful traffic stop.

In this case his race is immaterial, just as his age is, the story is just presented that way in an attempt to stoke outrage when in reality he killer himself through his own carelessness.

[Demsrule86]

25. How many white kids are chased by a police on a dirt bike trail...my kids rode around

Lake Altoona in Georgia all the time and were never bothered by the police...I hope those cops never have a peaceful night for the rest of their lives...although many seem immune to guilt for their dreadful actions. There are always people around to make excuses for bad cops.

[bluecollar2]

26. This kid wasn't on a dirt bike trail...n/t

[madville]

34. Cops chase white kids on dirt bikes everyday

There are hundreds, if not thousands of videos on YouTube of white kids on dirt bikes being chased by the police all over the country. Here is a 12 minute compilation of many chases, let me know if you need more…

In that video, any of those kids could have hit a road sign or tree or another vehicle and died, would have been 100% their fault too.

[cinematicdiversions]

38. This has nothing t do with race

This has everything to do with his parents and guardians not setting proper limits and raising their son correctly.

[Demsrule86]

42. It always has to do with race... the cop followed the kids from the gas station...black kid...

how many white kids get followed by the cops? How many get killed?

[EX500rider]

48. Minors with no DL driving non tagged non street legal dirt bikes on the street..

...will get the cops to try and pull them over no matter what color they are.
And he didn't "get killed", he killed himself by losing control and crashing.

[Demsrule86]

52. But they couldn't just stop them at the gas station...had to wait and then begin a reckless

pursuit...sorry doesn't make sense unless...they had another reason for what they did.

[EX500rider]

53. Sure they had a reason

No law against putting gas in a dirtbike on private property. He could have just pushed it home on the sidewalk and been fine. Once he drove out on the streets he was breaking the law. Deciding to outrun the cops is what killed him and he is responsible for that decision.

[Demsrule86]

56. It didn't warrant the death penalty at the hands of the cops.

They behaved irresponsibly and if they violated department rules...then fire them. I take note that these sorts of things only happen to Black kids. I hope these cops have a conscience and they think about this for the rest of their lives...but what are the odds of that happening?

[Sympthsical]

57. You've been spreading misinformation, and I'm not sure why

The kid crashed less than 1,000 feet from the gas station. If you watch the available video, the cops were well behind him after he zipped through the red light in the intersection.

Yet you've crafted this narrative of a high speed reckless chase by the police with no evidence whatsoever.

I don't get the purpose.

The information and video are available, so fabricating this entire unfounded narrative from scratch has to be willful.

What purpose is being served here?

[Demsrule86]

58. I am not spreading misinformation...and I have every right to my opinion. You of course have the

right to defend the police in this matter so we can agree to disagree.




A child died...and it needs to be investigates and I believe the cops involved should be fired.

https://dallas.binnews.com/content/2021-12-30-13-year-old-black-boy-on-dirt-bike-dies-during-south-florida-police-chase/

"The boy was identified as 13-year-old Stanley Davis Jr. by a family member. Davis died Sunday (December 26) when a Boynton Beach police officer attempted to do a traffic stop on him. The attempt kicked up into a chase, but the boy lost control of his dirt bike and hit a median curb in the 800 block of North Federal Highway, WPTV reports.

Davis, who was wearing a helmet, flew off the bike and slammed into a sign in the median, according to Florida Highway Patrol (FHP). He was later pronounced dead at the scene.

Surveillance video obtained by WPTV shows the boy fueling up his dirt bike at a local gas station before he rode off. A Boynton Beach police vehicle, without its lights on, immediately starts following Davis as he darted into traffic in the footage."

And surprise surprise ...no dashcam. The boy could have been stopped in the store...maybe the cop didn't intend him to die...just to roust him a little possibly. I never see stories like this with white kids as the victims...things that make you go hmmmmmm. So I will continue to hope that this cop and any others involved are fired. Also, put a damn dash camera in the police cars.

[Sympthsical]

60. Opinions not based on facts aren't worth much

You're making emotional pleas based on skin color (which is kind of patronizingly racist, IMO).

Furthermore, you keep saying, "Cops only chased him because he was black."

Do me a favor. Go to YouTube. Type in dirt bikes and cops. Enjoy the hundreds of videos of cops trying to stop white kids who are using dirt bikes illegally on public streets.

Then come back with the misinformation and the narrative with a straight face.

You have all kinds of supposition, opinion, and emotional appeals.

But no facts. So . . . again, what purpose is being served here?

I have video and information. Evidence should typically be used when evaluating these things. You've been all up and down these threads without any.

[Demsrule86]

62. I posted the article which laid out the facts as I described them...what link have you provided?

I have read more than one of these articles as well. Again, I provided facts to back up my opinion.

[EX500rider]

59. The kid crashing the bike is not "the death penalty" but a crash easily avoided..

...by pulling over and getting a ticket.

"Only happens to black kids" Sure if you ignore the video someone posted above showing that not to be true.

[Demsrule86]

61. Brought about by cops chasing him when a simple stop at the store would have avoided all of this...

Sorry not buying it...likely violated the Police Department rules were violated thus FIRE those involved showed poor judgment and should not be on the police force. I would also be interested to see their records of arrests and civilian complaints.

[EX500rider]

64. So the kid ran on the street but wouldn't have run from the station? Seems unlikely.

[Demsrule86]

65. A foot chase likely would not have resulted in his death not endangered others.

[EX500rider]

66. No he could have run on the bike from the station, I doubt he would abandon his bike.

[Demsrule86]

24. I am so sick of those who excuse reckless acts by police...one wonders why the police

felt the need to chase a kid on a dirt bike. I didn't have to look to know the kid was Black...how many white kids are shot by cops because they have a toy gun or in this case are riding a dirt bike. I don't know how those who caused this can live with themselves.

[bluecollar2]

29. Give it a rest

This little juvenile delinquent was being stupid. It killed him. To f****** g bad.

He brought it on.

[Demsrule86]

30. Well I am sure that the dealth penalty administered to the Black child via law enforcement

was entirely justified... Sometimes we reveal things that are quite shocking with situations like this.

[EX500rider]

33. The only one who administered the death penalty was the kid

By running into something with his motorcycle... If you don't have the skills to run from the police you probably shouldn't do it

[Demsrule86]

31. I am putting you on ignore...I don't think I have anyone there at all but you earned it...I am truly

shocked by your callous words towards a child.

[bluecollar2]

35. Works for me....n/t

[Jedi Guy]

36. They chased him because he was driving recklessly.

Framing it as if he was calmly driving down the street, obeying all traffic laws, is wildly dishonest. He was putting his own life at risk as well as those of other drivers.

It's unfortunate that he didn't survive, but your framing of this situation simply does not fit the facts. Thankfully no one else was injured or killed due to his recklessness.

[cinematicdiversions]

39. Darwin just doesn't kill the unvaxxed fat Republicans.

I think the death is tragic but the parents seem like real pieces of work trying to blame everyone but themselves for what happened.

[Demsrule86]

43. It is the cops fault...they engaged in a high speed chases and created the danger ...caused a

13 years old's death. It certainly- as another poster pointed out- violated department policy...fire the cops immediately. They showed incredibly bad judgment and violated the department policy.

[obamanut2012]

49. There was no high speed chase

I am local, and the Boynton cops did not cause this death nor break policy.

[madville]

50. Could the parents be charged criminally?

For purchasing the dirt bike and allowing a 13 year old to use it illegally? Just like if they had purchased a 13 year old a firearm and they allowed them to use it unsupervised and they committed suicide or killed someone else with it?

[SYFROYH]

63. The BBPD appears to have a very strict pursuit policy.

So strict I don't understand how any moving traffic stop could happen. It makes me think there is a separate policy on traffic stops.

Im all for not having pursuits over paperwork infractions and nonserious infractions like a cracked window, but 13 year olds driving on public roads is dangerous to themselves and others.

https://public.powerdms.com/BBPDE/documents/81354
III. PURSUIT POLICY
The decision to initiate pursuit must be based on the pursuing officer’s conclusion that the immediate danger to the officer and the public created by the pursuit is less than the immediate or potential danger to the public Boynton Beach Police Department should the suspect remain at large. The pursuit must be conducted in a non-reckless manner with emphasis on the safety of the public, human rights and the property of others.

Vehicular pursuits will be initiated only if the officer reasonably believes that the person(s) fleeing has committed a forcible felony defined as:
1. Murder (as defined in FS 782);
2. Manslaughter (as defined in FS 782);
3. Sexual Battery (as defined in FS 794);
4. Carjacking (as defined in FS 812);
5. Home Invasion Robbery (as defined in FS 812);
6. Robbery (as defined in FS 812);
7. Arson (as defined in FS 806);
8. Kidnapping (as defined in FS 787);
9. Serious Aggravated Assault/Battery (as defined in FS 784); and/or
10. Discharging of a Destructive Device or Bomb (as defined in FS 790).

Any pursuit must be conducted in accordance with this directive and only those officers who have received instructional training in the high-speed pursuit policy will engage in a vehicular pursuit

.

[Polybius]

67. "Family members say the only reason Stanley is dead is because police were pursuing him..."

"Family members say the only reason Stanley is dead is because he was driving recklessly and tried to run from the cops."

There, fixed it for them.