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JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:23 PM Dec 2021

Garland who? Matthew Graves is where it's at

Confirmed October 28th - Nominated by Biden in July. He was recommended by Congresswoman Norton of DC.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/matthew-m-graves-takes-office-united-states-attorney

In his previous time with the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Mr. Graves supervised and prosecuted a wide variety of cases as an Assistant U.S. Attorney, and later as Chief of the Fraud and Public Corruption Section. He handled numerous high-profile matters, including successful prosecutions of public officials, international business organizations, government contractors, and defendants engaged in Ponzi schemes and other large-scale fraud



And there you have the hold up from July to October - fucking Senator Ron Johnson!

Matthew Graves, a compliance and litigation partner at DLA Piper, was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on Thursday to lead the federal prosecutor’s office in Washington, D.C., a role in which he will oversee cases related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

Graves was confirmed as U.S. attorney by a voice vote Thursday evening. His nomination had reportedly been held up by Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin, who was seeking answers to questions he sent to the U.S. Justice Department about Jan. 6 cases.

Graves will lead the largest U.S. attorney’s office in the country, one that is not only home to the Jan. 6 cases, but also recently received a criminal referral against former top Trump adviser Stephen Bannon, who defied a subpoena from the House select committee investigating the Capitol attack. The Justice Department has so far not brought charges, and it’s unclear if they will pursue the case.



Just two weeks later - the 9/23/21 referral from the Jan 6th Committee regarding Bannon - Dated November 12 - Grave's signature is on it.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1447811/download


He's currently waiting for his second in command - Bridget Fitzpatrick, the SEC's chief litigation counsel - who will start in the next few days. She specialized in Corruption Prosecutions when she was with the US attorney's office.
https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-us-attorney-office-january-6-sec-chief-counsel-2021-12


In their previous stints at the US attorney's office, Graves and Fitzpatrick both worked in the fraud and public corruption unit — a team that reviews congressional referrals for prosecution and often brings cases against high-profile figures. Fitzpatrick once helped convict a sitting member of the District of Columbia's city council on charges he embezzled funds earmarked for youth programs, and Graves was involved in the prosecution of former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who pleaded guilty in 2013 to making lavish purchases and covering personal expenses with campaign contributions.



These are the two people leading the DOJ's January 6th Prosecutions.


Now might be a good time to learn the lessons those of us hyper-focused on Voting Rights learned - when Garland got Ms. Clarke over the finish line at DOJ as head of the Civil Rights Division . . .

He hires, takes his hands off the leash, and releases his pit bulls.

Remember - Ron Johnson held it up. Had he not - he could have started 3 months ago but lo and behold - a traitor who is probably VERY concerned about the US Attorney's Office in DC's work around the January 6th Coup Attempt - he held it up.

I don't know about the rest of you - but the more I read about Grave's and Fitzpatrick - the more I believe there will be some members of the house and senate facing criminal charges come the midterms.
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Garland who? Matthew Graves is where it's at (Original Post) JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 OP
sounds like this could be the holdup. mopinko Dec 2021 #1
I think so JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #2
Great post! Thanks JAG! sarchasm Dec 2021 #41
by the look's of this article & comments ------------ monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #147
I've long suspected Pantagruel Dec 2021 #3
Recommend!!!!!👍👍👍 sheshe2 Dec 2021 #4
Stop excusing Garland's absence on this berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #5
I think both Attorney General Merrick Garland and President Joe Biden know what they're doing.... George II Dec 2021 #7
I think they know what they are doing as well berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #13
Pacification, we saw it with the Mueller invesigation. jalan48 Dec 2021 #16
Have we seen the full report yet? dem4decades Dec 2021 #31
No, and we may never see it. The process however served its purpose. jalan48 Dec 2021 #51
President Biden cannot "prosecute" TFG. Justice matters. Dec 2021 #32
Post removed Post removed Dec 2021 #34
By just posting "Biden does not intend to prosecute Trump" anywhere... Justice matters. Dec 2021 #44
Thanks so much for your superior guidance. It's truly appreciated berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #46
Your constant pessimism and doomsday threats don't help anyone but repubs. brush Dec 2021 #71
+10000! ShazzieB Dec 2021 #108
+10000 wnylib Dec 2021 #128
The GOP Senators who held up Graves' nomination JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #50
Don't all opposition say the same? Justice matters. Dec 2021 #56
Hmmm JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #64
You are kidding, right? They are and are going to continue doing that regardless. KPN Dec 2021 #91
Note the newly added 'sarcasm' gif. Budi Dec 2021 #62
Yeah, well he damned well better intervene if this thing lingers much longer. KPN Dec 2021 #87
I expect that the long term DOJ employees in the respective yellowdogintexas Dec 2021 #145
Agreed 634-5789 Dec 2021 #119
you have cited the ultimate problem here. Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #131
Get a hobby. we can do it Dec 2021 #11
So nice to see people giving up on democracy. berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #14
Make up your mind. In one thread you say don't count on any indictments... brush Dec 2021 #74
I do not believe you'll receive an answer to that question. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #79
Probably not. Putting him on the spot may shut him up. brush Dec 2021 #81
Getting 5 hides has gotten him Flagged for Review, so he's having a little rest just now Hekate Dec 2021 #113
Here's hoping. 🤞 ShazzieB Dec 2021 #115
We can hope. we can do it Dec 2021 #140
We could always meditate on it Generic Brad Dec 2021 #152
please, s.t.o.p. msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #118
How do you know? He's been flagged. brush Dec 2021 #121
This was a valiant and kind effort. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #160
Au Contraire .. We're Fighting Cha Dec 2021 #132
👍🏼 IrishAfricanAmerican Dec 2021 #15
You win the internet today wryter2000 Dec 2021 #33
🤩 we can do it Dec 2021 #38
K & R Budi Dec 2021 #66
Me too. He's very consistent. we can do it Dec 2021 #141
Nope - I won't JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #17
That's the most ridiculous explanation for anything of late berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #22
I really can't wait to see you eat your words relayerbob Dec 2021 #40
I'd be the happiest person in the world to eat them berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #45
berni_mccoy for President JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #55
He's not a D.A. JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #53
I was just getting ready to say something about this. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #111
Rofl. Just cuz you don't see or hear him doesn't mean he's not there! Budi Dec 2021 #20
Armchair this fact: berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #24
Haaaahaaaaaha... "Don't Look Up" is the new cool meme flying thru soc media Budi Dec 2021 #69
Yes, and objective critics have given it horrible reviews. George II Dec 2021 #85
Its being mocked relentlessly. As it should. Budi Dec 2021 #86
Have you seen it? It's really excellent. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #88
Which "pending" charges have expired under the statute of limitations? onenote Dec 2021 #83
You might be waiting a while in that answer. we can do it Dec 2021 #142
Water under the bridge. I trust Bidens appointments. I trust both mens ability to keep the Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #61
As previously pointed out, the problem with appointing a special counsel onenote Dec 2021 #78
PS - The President doesn't have the power to appoint a special prosecutor onenote Dec 2021 #82
K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2021 #6
Senate rules desperately need some serious re-write... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #8
THIS. KPN Dec 2021 #97
+1000 n/t MarcA Dec 2021 #103
K&R brer cat Dec 2021 #9
Hmmm, interesting factoid. So much for the "WhY iSn'T hE dOiNg AnYtHiNg?" going around Twitter. George II Dec 2021 #10
Did Garland need this DA to prosecute any of the thugs at the Capitol? berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #19
He's the US Attorney for District of Columbia JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #26
Ummm.. Biden CAN'T prosecute Trump. That's why we have Attorney Generals. Budi Dec 2021 #28
No shit Sherlock. If you are taking words that literally berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #30
The Armchairs Across America Have Spoken! (Send just $3 cuz we're fighting for YOU) Budi Dec 2021 #39
Have you considered taking Cha Dec 2021 #137
Good news. Maybe some indictements from the Jan. 6 insurrection... brush Dec 2021 #12
Don't count on it berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #18
So we are doomed? JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #23
Yes. Why did Garland allow Trump to escape pending charges berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #25
Wait - I know JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #27
👍 The Armchairs have spoken Budi Dec 2021 #36
Yet killin me we can do it Dec 2021 #42
BINGO! wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #60
So Merrick Garland -let me get this straight JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #68
Explains the "Must Doom-post Garland Before He Prosecutes Our Asses!", bs we see daily. Budi Dec 2021 #73
Yes, anyone who questions the progress believes that Garland is a Russian puppet wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #109
Thanks for adding the sarcasm thingy. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #117
I actually got in trouble for not adding a "sarcasm" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #120
If we are doomed JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #29
Mr. McCoy Pantagruel Dec 2021 #43
... JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #133
Perhaps it's because the DOJ didn't have enough evidence yet to prosecute before... George II Dec 2021 #75
Stop being patient and making sense. we can do it Dec 2021 #143
... George II Dec 2021 #144
Exactly JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #21
Why did it take six months AFTER THE INSURRECTION to appoint a lead prosecutor? Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #35
It wasn't an appointment of a lead prosecutor JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #47
That's about 4 months actually. Garland was appointed around March. Budi Dec 2021 #48
He was sworn in on March 11th JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #72
Yup. 100% spot on, JAGen! Budi Dec 2021 #76
K&R wryter2000 Dec 2021 #37
There were others JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #49
I remember seeing Johnson make that ignorant statement on video wryter2000 Dec 2021 #52
Exactly JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #54
How does somebody even say that with a straight face? ShazzieB Dec 2021 #126
I do too JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #134
K & R Really! Where HAVE we heard Johnson's words repeated, again? Budi Dec 2021 #57
Coincidence? JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #63
The usual suspects, I see. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2021 #59
Can somebody please explain this for the reading comprehension challenged? SoFlaJet Dec 2021 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #70
Well, that's bullshit. Neither of them ever said Garland was a russian asset. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #92
Thank you. You have shown that YOU are the only one who said it. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #95
Lol. I pointed out that you attempted to put words in someone's mouth that that person Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #101
Okay honey JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #94
LOL! You said it, then you copied it again in your reply to me. And no one else in Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #99
Oh, dear. Does disagreeing with you mean "palling around?" There's a word for that. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #102
? What word. Budi Dec 2021 #110
Thank you. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #122
Yep. And swarm-y. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #123
Very. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #124
Maybe the holidays are making people cranky. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #125
Lol! BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #127
Indeed. Mr. Evil Dec 2021 #139
So why is RonJonAnon not still holding it up? bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #65
Who knows? JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #67
OK, we waited for 1 guy? gab13by13 Dec 2021 #77
Yep - the guy who can prosecute in DC JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #80
THANK YOU, MERRICK GARLAND! ancianita Dec 2021 #84
Well, I HOPE that's what he's doing. calimary Dec 2021 #158
I hear you. But isn't that what's indicated in this thread and others? ancianita Dec 2021 #159
K&R! Good stuff! dchill Dec 2021 #89
Ron Johnson is involved in the Jan 6 insurrection up to his eyeballs in planning at minimum. usaf-vet Dec 2021 #100
Bravo! JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #104
Yet another thread that dissolves into accusations and nastiness. demmiblue Dec 2021 #106
I hope I never make that many posts in a thread that I feel I have to delete afterwards! ShazzieB Dec 2021 #129
I did it to lighten the tone JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #135
No kidding! demmiblue Dec 2021 #138
Seems we're missing a rapid response poster. Guess they retired for the night. Budi Dec 2021 #148
We all want the same thing right? gab13by13 Dec 2021 #107
Well said. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #114
I think we SHOULD be able to do that. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #130
Yes - but I want to see it in NYC JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #136
Outstanding News. msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #112
No Reep block (such as Ted Crooz) ??? ananda Dec 2021 #116
Give Garland a chance orangecrush Dec 2021 #146
What is this from? JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #150
Perry Mason orangecrush Dec 2021 #153
Shoot...I was just about to start a Where is Hell is Garland meme. pecosbob Dec 2021 #149
Tick Tock, the croc is coming. Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #151
don't go gettin' my hopes up. lol. nt BootinUp Dec 2021 #154
What's Ron John the clown afraid of? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 #155
I've been itching to say this, but Moebym Dec 2021 #156
This JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #157

mopinko

(70,153 posts)
1. sounds like this could be the holdup.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:28 PM
Dec 2021

i've been saying he has a lot of clean up to do, and that could be the problem.

guess we'll see now.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
2. I think so
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:30 PM
Dec 2021

I was very frustrated until Kristen Clarke was confirmed by the Senate. She still needs legislation to back her work up - but she's suing the shit out of these states making Jim Crow voting laws.

I suspect Garland wanted Graves for a reason . . . he knows how to convict elected officials.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
147. by the look's of this article & comments ------------
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 07:15 PM
Dec 2021

look's like a fire storm was lit ? 22' look's like a whole bunch of shit is about to hit the fan ?? hope so ?

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
3. I've long suspected
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:30 PM
Dec 2021

MG's slower than hoped for pace of prosecution might be due to getting the correct personnel in place. This info supports that. We forget Trump's DOJ was "purged" .

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
5. Stop excusing Garland's absence on this
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:30 PM
Dec 2021

Biden could have appointed a special prosecutor on day 1 of his administration.

Garland could have as well. There was no need to wait for Senate confirmation of a district attorney.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. I think both Attorney General Merrick Garland and President Joe Biden know what they're doing....
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:39 PM
Dec 2021

And if President Joe Biden didn't think Attorney General Merrick Garland was doing a good job he'd replace him.

I have faith in both of them, they're much more experienced and accomplished than any of us are.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
13. I think they know what they are doing as well
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:47 PM
Dec 2021

They are not going to prosecute Trump or any of the organizers of Jan 6. They already let the statute of limitations pass on the “Unnamed Coconspirator #1” from SDNY expire in October. And they have allowed the obstruction charges statute pass as well. So don’t play bullshit games with this shit. Biden does not intend on prosecuting Trump.

Justice matters.

(6,936 posts)
32. President Biden cannot "prosecute" TFG.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:07 PM
Dec 2021
President Biden does not intervene in the DOJ's decisions.

Yeah. Sucks to know TFG did just that every effin day and barR only jumped out at the end when he realised "The Big Lie" could end HIM in prison for life.

Response to Justice matters. (Reply #32)

Justice matters.

(6,936 posts)
44. By just posting "Biden does not intend to prosecute Trump" anywhere...
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:17 PM
Dec 2021
It sends the wrong message that implies Biden has anything to do with it.

That is so wrong on so many levels. It's not helping. It only emboldens the ignorant wingnuts to keep repeating "Biden will prosecute Trump" or similar BS.
 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
46. Thanks so much for your superior guidance. It's truly appreciated
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:19 PM
Dec 2021

I will meditate on what you’ve said. Thank you thank you!

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
50. The GOP Senators who held up Graves' nomination
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:26 PM
Dec 2021

Also say things like -

The Biden administration has been completely unresponsive to oversight and lacks transparency not only to Congress but to the American people - Ron Johnson

KPN

(15,647 posts)
87. Yeah, well he damned well better intervene if this thing lingers much longer.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:29 PM
Dec 2021

And don't play the "have faith" card. I have faith, but it is being severely challenged by what appears publicly -- whether it is or is not -- a sluggish pace in the face of monumental urgency.

yellowdogintexas

(22,269 posts)
145. I expect that the long term DOJ employees in the respective
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 05:50 PM
Dec 2021

offices of these two have been stockpiling tons of documentation and are ready for the new appointees to take off the gloves.

AG Garland can indeed take off the leash and release the pitbulls.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
131. you have cited the ultimate problem here.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 04:42 PM
Dec 2021

Eventually, the responsibility for lack of action that is perceived by the general public (including top Constitutional law professors) to risk the republic itself will come to the feet of Joe Biden. You may not agree, and you may not like the fact that the general perception out there is opposition to the departmental and administration silence on this matter. You may even try to shut people up who object to the soft handling of traitors and seditionists.

But it would be foolish to ignore the voice of the people. If some accountability for the plotters does not happen soon, this buck is going to be at Biden's desk no matter what you say or do. And that will be unfortunate. Because we all want him to succeed.

(Yeah, I know what happens next. I get swarmed by angry institutionalists. So tedious.)

brush

(53,801 posts)
74. Make up your mind. In one thread you say don't count on any indictments...
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:57 PM
Dec 2021

and on this one you say nice to see people giving up on democracy. By saying "don't count on indictments" you're the one who seems to be giving up on democracy.

Which is it with you?

Hekate

(90,743 posts)
113. Getting 5 hides has gotten him Flagged for Review, so he's having a little rest just now
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 03:57 PM
Dec 2021

(I checked the public record — it’s not interfering with forum moderation.)

brush

(53,801 posts)
121. How do you know? He's been flagged.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 04:15 PM
Dec 2021

Why let this doomsday pusher continue without calling him on it?

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
17. Nope - I won't
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:55 PM
Dec 2021

Because I didn't excuse 'Garland's Absence'.

Also - I don't have to.

I learned my lesson on the Civil Rights division.

Biden was responsible for the appointment - and the GOP Senator Ron Jon held it up. Because he knows they have him to dead to rights.

At what point do you turn your anger on the opposition and the people in Congress (ALL Republicans) who were active planners and participants in the destruction of America?

Garland, Graves, Biden - they are the good guys.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
22. That's the most ridiculous explanation for anything of late
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:57 PM
Dec 2021

Did Garland need this particular DA to prosecute any of the thugs at the Capitol?

What a bunch of malarkey!

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
45. I'd be the happiest person in the world to eat them
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:18 PM
Dec 2021

But you and I both know that day isn’t coming.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
53. He's not a D.A.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:30 PM
Dec 2021

He's also not the AG of DC - that's Mr. Racine.

He's the US Attorney for the District of Columbia.

It's a bunch of malarkey for anyone to say otherwise.

ShazzieB

(16,443 posts)
111. I was just getting ready to say something about this.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 03:52 PM
Dec 2021

Calling the US Attorney for the District of Columbia a DA was starting to grate on me.

DA has a specific meaning. It's not a generic synonym for prosecutor, and should not be used that way.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
20. Rofl. Just cuz you don't see or hear him doesn't mean he's not there!
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:56 PM
Dec 2021

Armchair AG-ing is the new Armchair COVID Specialist.

Welcome to the "Armchairs For America".
Send just $3.00 to keep us fighting for YOU."


Armchairs Across America, UNITE!

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
24. Armchair this fact:
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:59 PM
Dec 2021

Trump will never be held accountable.

You know how I know?

Because Garland has already allowed pending charges against Trump to expire under statute of limitations.

But keep up the cheerleading squad. And remember, “don’t look up!”

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
69. Haaaahaaaaaha... "Don't Look Up" is the new cool meme flying thru soc media
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:49 PM
Dec 2021

Right on top of that I see!

Latest Cool Social Media Memes, For those moments when you've been caught between a rock & a .....
Bwaaahaaahaaa..

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
61. Water under the bridge. I trust Bidens appointments. I trust both mens ability to keep the
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:40 PM
Dec 2021

DOJ independent from the executive branch, as intended.

Never go back.

onenote

(42,723 posts)
78. As previously pointed out, the problem with appointing a special counsel
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:07 PM
Dec 2021

is that it would require DOJ to say that there would be a conflict in interest in allowing the Department to handle cases relating January 6, which would spill over to other cases involving Trump's associates, such as Giuliani, even if they weren't specifically January 6 related.

onenote

(42,723 posts)
82. PS - The President doesn't have the power to appoint a special prosecutor
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:17 PM
Dec 2021

Actually, there is no such thing as a "special prosecutor" anymore. That law expires years ago. However, the attorney general does have
authority, pursuant to specific rules, to appoint a Special Counsel.

But on day one of his administration that would have involved the then acting AG appointing a Special Counsel, which wasn't going to happen.

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. Hmmm, interesting factoid. So much for the "WhY iSn'T hE dOiNg AnYtHiNg?" going around Twitter.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:42 PM
Dec 2021

Thanks for the information.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
19. Did Garland need this DA to prosecute any of the thugs at the Capitol?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:56 PM
Dec 2021

Obviously the answer is no. Stop pretending this will change anything. Biden isn’t going to prosecute Trump.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
26. He's the US Attorney for District of Columbia
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:00 PM
Dec 2021

And I hope to hell Biden doesn't prosecute Trump.

That's not how it works.

But I'm rubbing my hands in glee with the guy taking over Cy Vance's position. He's not very nice.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
28. Ummm.. Biden CAN'T prosecute Trump. That's why we have Attorney Generals.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:01 PM
Dec 2021

USAG, NYAG etc.

Stop blaming Biden.

He can't PROSECUTE Trump no more than he can FIRE DeJoy.



 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
30. No shit Sherlock. If you are taking words that literally
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:04 PM
Dec 2021

You need to step back from the keyboard.

Biden picked Garland with the intention of “not looking back”… you know like Obama did with the Bush-Cheney crime family.

brush

(53,801 posts)
12. Good news. Maybe some indictements from the Jan. 6 insurrection...
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:45 PM
Dec 2021

will finally start coming out of the DOJ. The Jan. 6 House committee can only do so much, and must continue, but the DOJ has much more investigative capability to search out and charge the traitors.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
23. So we are doomed?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:58 PM
Dec 2021

Got it. You want the US Attorney's office to do something . . .

We have the US Attorney who can do something . . .

But you personally don't believe he can do anything . . .

So why worry about it? All is lost.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
25. Yes. Why did Garland allow Trump to escape pending charges
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:00 PM
Dec 2021

Under statute of limitations?

The answer is obvious but I doubt you’ll see it.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
68. So Merrick Garland -let me get this straight
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:49 PM
Dec 2021

You and berni_mccoy believe that Merrick Garland is a Putin Puppet -up there with Trump - a 30/40 year Russian Assett.

Is that correct?

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
73. Explains the "Must Doom-post Garland Before He Prosecutes Our Asses!", bs we see daily.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:56 PM
Dec 2021

Ahhh! Yup. There it is...

(That's called tripping over their own feet as they flee prosecution )

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
109. Yes, anyone who questions the progress believes that Garland is a Russian puppet
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 03:42 PM
Dec 2021

That interpretation is completely rooted in reality and is not at all unhinged.

On edit:

for those of you who like reading things literally

ShazzieB

(16,443 posts)
117. Thanks for adding the sarcasm thingy.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 04:07 PM
Dec 2021

On the internet, sarcasm is often not as obvious as the originator thinks it is. Emojis can be an useful extra insurance policy.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
120. I actually got in trouble for not adding a "sarcasm"
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 04:15 PM
Dec 2021

People are very desperate to get their fix of outrage adrenalin.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
29. If we are doomed
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:02 PM
Dec 2021
should you be posting this? I mean the PTB new American Stasi which will overthrow the government in the next week or two -aren't they going to find out that you were tipping us all off?
 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
43. Mr. McCoy
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:16 PM
Dec 2021

may be the first recorded case of Garland Derangement Syndrome. Probably not fatal but I'd monitor his BP carefully.

George II

(67,782 posts)
75. Perhaps it's because the DOJ didn't have enough evidence yet to prosecute before...
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:02 PM
Dec 2021

....the statute of limitations expired, if they did.

Remember, Garland didn't take office until March and you're saying they ran out in October. I also doubt that Barr left him a full dossier evidence of crimes that trump committed.

Basically Garland's DOJ started from scratch as of him being seated as AG.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I trust President Biden's confidence in AG Garland and think the DOJ is doing the best they can under the circumstances they inherited from trump.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
21. Exactly
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:56 PM
Dec 2021

And having worked with US Attorneys on massive theft/export violation cases - they will have them dead to rights when they haul their asses into court.

I want to see people like Jim Jordan in jail for now showing up to depositions, hiding evidence, lying to prosecutors, etc. etc. I'd love for these assholes to have to run their campaigns from the jail house.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
35. Why did it take six months AFTER THE INSURRECTION to appoint a lead prosecutor?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:10 PM
Dec 2021

Appointed in July.

Confirmed in October.

INSURRECTION WAS JANUARY 6, previously.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
47. It wasn't an appointment of a lead prosecutor
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:19 PM
Dec 2021

It was the appointment of US Attorney - and that question can only be answered by Congresswoman Norton and President Biden.

Sherwin was still there on March 3. Channing was only appointed acting. Biden shared his FIRST slate of 8 slate on July 26 -

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/07/26/president-biden-announces-eight-nominees-to-serve-as-u-s-attorneys/


Graves seems like he was 'snuck in' on the bottom.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
48. That's about 4 months actually. Garland was appointed around March.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:24 PM
Dec 2021

4 mo isn't bad considering the shithole Barr left the DOJ in, not to mention the tons of data that had to be somehow pulled together just to build a mere basis for a case.

Knowing it & proving a legal case for what we all saw are 2 entirely different things.

4 fking months.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
72. He was sworn in on March 11th
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:54 PM
Dec 2021

Confirmed on March 10th.

And you made a point about what we all saw - but in terms of what many of us did NOT see -

I'm happy Graves stuck it out with Trump's merry band of malcontents in the GOP Senate. What did Ron Johnson Know and When Did He Know It?

It's what we don't see but the Jan 6th Committee DOES see - that I think Graves and Fitzgerald are going to get convictions on.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
76. Yup. 100% spot on, JAGen!
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:03 PM
Dec 2021

Those old worn out Social Media botnet one-liners just aren't cutting it anymore.

I have absolute faith in Biden, Garland & his staff, the Jan 6 committee & all those working in the background to prosecute & convict evey last person or Corpoation who aided in the coup on our Democratic process.

In the end Theirs will be the voice we hear & remember for history sake.
Not the botnet anarchists.



JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
49. There were others
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:24 PM
Dec 2021
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/21/ron-johnson-holds-up-nomination-for-prosecutor-leading-january-6-insurrection-cases/6111174001/


Republican U.S. Sens. Mike Lee of Utah, Ted Cruz of Texas, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama and Rick Scott of Florida also signed the letter.

The Biden administration has been completely unresponsive to oversight and lacks transparency not only to Congress but to the American people," a Johnson spokeswoman said. "We will be happy to release the hold once the Department of Justice provides a response to the Senator’s June 7, 2021 letter requesting information on the unequal application of justice between the individuals who breached the Capitol on Jan. 6, and those involved in the unrest during the spring and summer of 2020.”

During a radio interview in March, Johnson said he didn't feel threatened by supporters of ex-President Donald Trump who marched on the Capitol because "I knew those were people who love this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break the law, so I wasn't concerned."

"Now, had the tables been turned, and Joe — this is going to get me in trouble — had the tables been turned and President Trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of Black Lives Matter and antifa, I might have been a little concerned," Johnson said during an interview with syndicated radio show host Joe "Pags" Pagliarulo.

Graves' nomination passed on a voice vote through the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee but is still waiting for full confirmation by the Senate.

Johnson's move was first reported by Business Insider.




Now - where have I read this before:
Ron Johnson: "
The Biden administration has been completely unresponsive to oversight and lacks transparency not only to Congress but to the American people
"

wryter2000

(46,070 posts)
52. I remember seeing Johnson make that ignorant statement on video
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:30 PM
Dec 2021

"would never do anything to break the law." They were beating up cops! Jeehosophat, these people are sick. And racist.

You want to know why the insurrectionists are getting different treatment from the people protesting the murder of George Floyd, Johnson? Because the protesters didn't do anything wrong.

ShazzieB

(16,443 posts)
126. How does somebody even say that with a straight face?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 04:26 PM
Dec 2021
During a radio interview in March, Johnson said he didn't feel threatened by supporters of ex-President Donald Trump who marched on the Capitol because "I knew those were people who love this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break the law, so I wasn't concerned."


He said this AFTER everybody who had ever turned on a TV, logged on to the internet, or laid eyes on a newspaper since January 6 already knew these people had broken laws! If he'd said that he wasn't afraid at the time because he didn't think they were going to break any laws, I could almost maybe sort of buy it, but this is a laughably obvious lie.

The only people at the Capitol that day who didn't fear for their personal safety were those who were in on it and knew they weren't on the "hit list." I think Johnson gave himself away there.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
134. I do too
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 04:52 PM
Dec 2021

I think all five of the Senators who pushed 'what's in Grave's questionnaire' were in on it.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
57. K & R Really! Where HAVE we heard Johnson's words repeated, again?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:35 PM
Dec 2021

Makes ya wonder who doesn't want the procesution to take place before 2022/2024?

Stall, delay, degrade the process & the Biden Admin, his AG, & hold up confirmations to advance that prosecution.

Ron Johnson says:
"The Biden administration has been completely unresponsive to oversight and lacks transparency not only to Congress but to the American people"

SoFlaJet

(7,767 posts)
58. Can somebody please explain this for the reading comprehension challenged?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:35 PM
Dec 2021

And maybe put it in simple terms to help me understand just WTF is or isn't happening with the Justice department and the January 6th investigation?

Response to SoFlaJet (Reply #58)

Scrivener7

(50,958 posts)
90. Well, that's bullshit. Neither of them ever said Garland was a russian asset.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:34 PM
Dec 2021

In fact, you're the only on in this thread I see saying that.

Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #90)

Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #93)

Scrivener7

(50,958 posts)
101. Lol. I pointed out that you attempted to put words in someone's mouth that that person
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:47 PM
Dec 2021

never said. Words that no one but you has said in this thread.

And you are telling me I am putting words in your mouth. Can't make this stuff up.

And sweetie, I just disagree with you. I'm not in with anyone. Make this a schoolyard fight with teams if you need to, but I'll pass.

Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #90)

Scrivener7

(50,958 posts)
96. LOL! You said it, then you copied it again in your reply to me. And no one else in
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:42 PM
Dec 2021

this thread said any such thing.

Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #96)

Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #98)

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
67. Who knows?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 01:45 PM
Dec 2021

I think they decided to run down the clock on civil rights/voting legislation. Knowing - that hey -

If we take the house and the senate - we can impeach biden and harris and put our Leader in the White House.

gab13by13

(21,375 posts)
77. OK, we waited for 1 guy?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:04 PM
Dec 2021

We were also told to wait until Kristen Clarke was approved to the civil rights division, yet DOJ did nothing to stop the Cyber Ninjas, nothing to stop the fraudits from spreading across the country.

I admire Kristen Clarke, she is one sharp person, but I mean, she's been confirmed for a while now.

With that said, Graves sounds like the guy to get the ball rolling.

Just like Cy Vance brought in Mr. Pommerance (sp) to go over Trump's finances in New York.

Hopefully we will see movement now.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
80. Yep - the guy who can prosecute in DC
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:11 PM
Dec 2021

Agree on Kristen Clarke - but let me go back to the only thing I REALLY care about -

HR1 and HR4. She can only do so much - she needs things like pre-disclosure legislation.

I really don't care about Trump Co at this time. . . or BBB. i care about voting rights - because without it -

We really are doomed.

ancianita

(36,112 posts)
84. THANK YOU, MERRICK GARLAND!
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:21 PM
Dec 2021

THIS. What I been tryin' to say:

Now might be a good time to learn the lessons those of us hyper-focused on Voting Rights learned - when Garland got Ms. Clarke over the finish line at DOJ as head of the Civil Rights Division . . .

He hires, takes his hands off the leash, and releases his pit bulls.


Thank you, too!

calimary

(81,364 posts)
158. Well, I HOPE that's what he's doing.
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 01:34 PM
Dec 2021

Frankly, doesn’t look like he’s doing ANYTHING or showing ANY kind of leadership, forceful or otherwise.

I would be absolutely THRILLED to be wrong on this one.

ancianita

(36,112 posts)
159. I hear you. But isn't that what's indicated in this thread and others?
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 03:30 PM
Dec 2021

He could be getting all the easier mess out of the way -- we have lots of evidence of activity of cleanup and new standards -- so that the DOJ can more fully focus on the massive case to be made against the conspirators of the last administration. That's my take.


I hear you on being wrong. I'd rather be a wrong pessimist than a wrong optimist most of the time, too.

I just think we have enough to go on to feel confident now, given the existence of Matt Graves (Bannon) and Amy Fitzpatrick. They already have more than one team on Jan 6, of course -- and use the connections they've culled from those convicted, as well -- because none of the DOJ's indictments and convictions have been overturned.
Solid legal progress.

usaf-vet

(6,190 posts)
100. Ron Johnson is involved in the Jan 6 insurrection up to his eyeballs in planning at minimum.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:47 PM
Dec 2021

He is a slimy snake and has been a Trump cult member since day one.

Without his father-in-law's money, he would be just another loudmouth.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
104. Bravo!
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 02:56 PM
Dec 2021


So why did he hold up the confirmation? There ya have it. I think Lynn Cheney wasn't playing when she said that there are members of Congress involved and being investigated.

demmiblue

(36,871 posts)
106. Yet another thread that dissolves into accusations and nastiness.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 03:06 PM
Dec 2021

And I can only see a little over half of the replies.


gab13by13

(21,375 posts)
107. We all want the same thing right?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 03:25 PM
Dec 2021

We all want to see Trump indicted and convicted of something. I'm with Liz Cheney on this one, she clearly spelled it out 2 days in a row;

Donald Trump impeded an official proceeding of Congress, which is a serious felony.

Can we all agree with Liz?

ShazzieB

(16,443 posts)
130. I think we SHOULD be able to do that.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 04:39 PM
Dec 2021

Of course, there are some who find it more fun to just sit and rain on every parade anyone else tries to organize. I guess it makes them feel like they're "smarter" them the rest of us.

Whatever floats their boat, I guess!

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
136. Yes - but I want to see it in NYC
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 04:58 PM
Dec 2021

The rest of them - I want to see it in DC.

If he's convicted in NYC - then he can't be pardoned by a President.

msfiddlestix

(7,284 posts)
112. Outstanding News.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 03:57 PM
Dec 2021

Between this report along with another post buried in a different OP, I'm starting to feel optimistic.

So very happy to read this one too!

Thank you!



orangecrush

(19,586 posts)
153. Perry Mason
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 10:54 PM
Dec 2021

Early t.v. defense lawyer who never lost a case to D.A. Hamilton Burger. (In photo.)

Perry Mason was played by Raymond Burr.



Moebym

(989 posts)
156. I've been itching to say this, but
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 08:24 AM
Dec 2021

Who is to say that Mr. Graves, Doug Jones, Sally Yates, Glenn Kirschner (sp?), Preet Bharara, or any of the other real or wished-for contenders for the AG slot would not have done exactly as Garland has or faced the same obstacles had they been in his place?

Aggressive or not, each of them knows that there are certain rules, policies and procedures that must be followed. I may not be familiar with the inner workings of the Justice Department, but I do know that it's a folly to expect them to work at the pace we would prefer.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
157. This
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 10:49 AM
Dec 2021

A by product of the MF45 Admin?

The death of expertise. Everyone knows more than the experts who have the education, experience, and on the job knowledge.

Glad you wrote it.

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