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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGarland who? Matthew Graves is where it's at
Confirmed October 28th - Nominated by Biden in July. He was recommended by Congresswoman Norton of DC.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/matthew-m-graves-takes-office-united-states-attorney
In his previous time with the U.S. Attorneys Office, Mr. Graves supervised and prosecuted a wide variety of cases as an Assistant U.S. Attorney, and later as Chief of the Fraud and Public Corruption Section. He handled numerous high-profile matters, including successful prosecutions of public officials, international business organizations, government contractors, and defendants engaged in Ponzi schemes and other large-scale fraud
And there you have the hold up from July to October - fucking Senator Ron Johnson!
Graves was confirmed as U.S. attorney by a voice vote Thursday evening. His nomination had reportedly been held up by Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin, who was seeking answers to questions he sent to the U.S. Justice Department about Jan. 6 cases.
Graves will lead the largest U.S. attorneys office in the country, one that is not only home to the Jan. 6 cases, but also recently received a criminal referral against former top Trump adviser Stephen Bannon, who defied a subpoena from the House select committee investigating the Capitol attack. The Justice Department has so far not brought charges, and its unclear if they will pursue the case.
Just two weeks later - the 9/23/21 referral from the Jan 6th Committee regarding Bannon - Dated November 12 - Grave's signature is on it.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1447811/download
He's currently waiting for his second in command - Bridget Fitzpatrick, the SEC's chief litigation counsel - who will start in the next few days. She specialized in Corruption Prosecutions when she was with the US attorney's office.
https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-us-attorney-office-january-6-sec-chief-counsel-2021-12
In their previous stints at the US attorney's office, Graves and Fitzpatrick both worked in the fraud and public corruption unit a team that reviews congressional referrals for prosecution and often brings cases against high-profile figures. Fitzpatrick once helped convict a sitting member of the District of Columbia's city council on charges he embezzled funds earmarked for youth programs, and Graves was involved in the prosecution of former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who pleaded guilty in 2013 to making lavish purchases and covering personal expenses with campaign contributions.
These are the two people leading the DOJ's January 6th Prosecutions.
Now might be a good time to learn the lessons those of us hyper-focused on Voting Rights learned - when Garland got Ms. Clarke over the finish line at DOJ as head of the Civil Rights Division . . .
He hires, takes his hands off the leash, and releases his pit bulls.
Remember - Ron Johnson held it up. Had he not - he could have started 3 months ago but lo and behold - a traitor who is probably VERY concerned about the US Attorney's Office in DC's work around the January 6th Coup Attempt - he held it up.
I don't know about the rest of you - but the more I read about Grave's and Fitzpatrick - the more I believe there will be some members of the house and senate facing criminal charges come the midterms.
mopinko
(70,153 posts)i've been saying he has a lot of clean up to do, and that could be the problem.
guess we'll see now.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)I was very frustrated until Kristen Clarke was confirmed by the Senate. She still needs legislation to back her work up - but she's suing the shit out of these states making Jim Crow voting laws.
I suspect Garland wanted Graves for a reason . . . he knows how to convict elected officials.
sarchasm
(1,012 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)look's like a fire storm was lit ? 22' look's like a whole bunch of shit is about to hit the fan ?? hope so ?
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)MG's slower than hoped for pace of prosecution might be due to getting the correct personnel in place. This info supports that. We forget Trump's DOJ was "purged" .
sheshe2
(83,818 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Biden could have appointed a special prosecutor on day 1 of his administration.
Garland could have as well. There was no need to wait for Senate confirmation of a district attorney.
George II
(67,782 posts)And if President Joe Biden didn't think Attorney General Merrick Garland was doing a good job he'd replace him.
I have faith in both of them, they're much more experienced and accomplished than any of us are.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)They are not going to prosecute Trump or any of the organizers of Jan 6. They already let the statute of limitations pass on the Unnamed Coconspirator #1 from SDNY expire in October. And they have allowed the obstruction charges statute pass as well. So dont play bullshit games with this shit. Biden does not intend on prosecuting Trump.
jalan48
(13,874 posts)dem4decades
(11,299 posts)jalan48
(13,874 posts)Justice matters.
(6,936 posts)Yeah. Sucks to know TFG did just that every effin day and barR only jumped out at the end when he realised "The Big Lie" could end HIM in prison for life.
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Justice matters.
(6,936 posts)That is so wrong on so many levels. It's not helping. It only emboldens the ignorant wingnuts to keep repeating "Biden will prosecute Trump" or similar BS.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)I will meditate on what youve said. Thank you thank you!
brush
(53,801 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Also say things like -
The Biden administration has been completely unresponsive to oversight and lacks transparency not only to Congress but to the American people - Ron Johnson
Justice matters.
(6,936 posts)( Edit: Replace "Biden" with "Bush" or "Trump" )
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)I found an eerie statement from Ron Johnson and . . . yeah - you are right.
KPN
(15,647 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)KPN
(15,647 posts)And don't play the "have faith" card. I have faith, but it is being severely challenged by what appears publicly -- whether it is or is not -- a sluggish pace in the face of monumental urgency.
yellowdogintexas
(22,269 posts)offices of these two have been stockpiling tons of documentation and are ready for the new appointees to take off the gloves.
AG Garland can indeed take off the leash and release the pitbulls.
634-5789
(4,175 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Eventually, the responsibility for lack of action that is perceived by the general public (including top Constitutional law professors) to risk the republic itself will come to the feet of Joe Biden. You may not agree, and you may not like the fact that the general perception out there is opposition to the departmental and administration silence on this matter. You may even try to shut people up who object to the soft handling of traitors and seditionists.
But it would be foolish to ignore the voice of the people. If some accountability for the plotters does not happen soon, this buck is going to be at Biden's desk no matter what you say or do. And that will be unfortunate. Because we all want him to succeed.
(Yeah, I know what happens next. I get swarmed by angry institutionalists. So tedious.)
we can do it
(12,189 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Dont look up, right?
brush
(53,801 posts)and on this one you say nice to see people giving up on democracy. By saying "don't count on indictments" you're the one who seems to be giving up on democracy.
Which is it with you?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)brush
(53,801 posts)Hekate
(90,743 posts)(I checked the public record its not interfering with forum moderation.)
ShazzieB
(16,443 posts)we can do it
(12,189 posts)Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,284 posts)just take a breath...your retorts aren't helping either.
brush
(53,801 posts)Why let this doomsday pusher continue without calling him on it?
Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)Cha
(297,396 posts)IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,816 posts)wryter2000
(46,070 posts)we can do it
(12,189 posts)Think this is it. 😬
we can do it
(12,189 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Because I didn't excuse 'Garland's Absence'.
Also - I don't have to.
I learned my lesson on the Civil Rights division.
Biden was responsible for the appointment - and the GOP Senator Ron Jon held it up. Because he knows they have him to dead to rights.
At what point do you turn your anger on the opposition and the people in Congress (ALL Republicans) who were active planners and participants in the destruction of America?
Garland, Graves, Biden - they are the good guys.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Did Garland need this particular DA to prosecute any of the thugs at the Capitol?
What a bunch of malarkey!
relayerbob
(6,545 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)But you and I both know that day isnt coming.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)He's also not the AG of DC - that's Mr. Racine.
He's the US Attorney for the District of Columbia.
It's a bunch of malarkey for anyone to say otherwise.
ShazzieB
(16,443 posts)Calling the US Attorney for the District of Columbia a DA was starting to grate on me.
DA has a specific meaning. It's not a generic synonym for prosecutor, and should not be used that way.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Armchair AG-ing is the new Armchair COVID Specialist.
Welcome to the "Armchairs For America".
Send just $3.00 to keep us fighting for YOU."
Armchairs Across America, UNITE!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Trump will never be held accountable.
You know how I know?
Because Garland has already allowed pending charges against Trump to expire under statute of limitations.
But keep up the cheerleading squad. And remember, dont look up!
Budi
(15,325 posts)Right on top of that I see!
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Bwaaahaaahaaa..
George II
(67,782 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Who thought up THAT one anyway.
Jfc
Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)onenote
(42,723 posts)we can do it
(12,189 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)DOJ independent from the executive branch, as intended.
Never go back.
onenote
(42,723 posts)is that it would require DOJ to say that there would be a conflict in interest in allowing the Department to handle cases relating January 6, which would spill over to other cases involving Trump's associates, such as Giuliani, even if they weren't specifically January 6 related.
onenote
(42,723 posts)Actually, there is no such thing as a "special prosecutor" anymore. That law expires years ago. However, the attorney general does have
authority, pursuant to specific rules, to appoint a Special Counsel.
But on day one of his administration that would have involved the then acting AG appointing a Special Counsel, which wasn't going to happen.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,675 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)brer cat
(24,580 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Thanks for the information.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Obviously the answer is no. Stop pretending this will change anything. Biden isnt going to prosecute Trump.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)And I hope to hell Biden doesn't prosecute Trump.
That's not how it works.
But I'm rubbing my hands in glee with the guy taking over Cy Vance's position. He's not very nice.
Budi
(15,325 posts)USAG, NYAG etc.
Stop blaming Biden.
He can't PROSECUTE Trump no more than he can FIRE DeJoy.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)You need to step back from the keyboard.
Biden picked Garland with the intention of not looking back
you know like Obama did with the Bush-Cheney crime family.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Cha
(297,396 posts)your own advice?
brush
(53,801 posts)will finally start coming out of the DOJ. The Jan. 6 House committee can only do so much, and must continue, but the DOJ has much more investigative capability to search out and charge the traitors.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Got it. You want the US Attorney's office to do something . . .
We have the US Attorney who can do something . . .
But you personally don't believe he can do anything . . .
So why worry about it? All is lost.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Under statute of limitations?
The answer is obvious but I doubt youll see it.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Garland is actually a Putin Puppet - right?
Budi
(15,325 posts)we can do it
(12,189 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)That is exactly what the poster said, and is not at all overcompensating hyperbole
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)You and berni_mccoy believe that Merrick Garland is a Putin Puppet -up there with Trump - a 30/40 year Russian Assett.
Is that correct?
Budi
(15,325 posts)Ahhh! Yup. There it is...
(That's called tripping over their own feet as they flee prosecution )
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)That interpretation is completely rooted in reality and is not at all unhinged.
On edit:
for those of you who like reading things literally
ShazzieB
(16,443 posts)On the internet, sarcasm is often not as obvious as the originator thinks it is. Emojis can be an useful extra insurance policy.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)People are very desperate to get their fix of outrage adrenalin.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)may be the first recorded case of Garland Derangement Syndrome. Probably not fatal but I'd monitor his BP carefully.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....the statute of limitations expired, if they did.
Remember, Garland didn't take office until March and you're saying they ran out in October. I also doubt that Barr left him a full dossier evidence of crimes that trump committed.
Basically Garland's DOJ started from scratch as of him being seated as AG.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I trust President Biden's confidence in AG Garland and think the DOJ is doing the best they can under the circumstances they inherited from trump.
we can do it
(12,189 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)And having worked with US Attorneys on massive theft/export violation cases - they will have them dead to rights when they haul their asses into court.
I want to see people like Jim Jordan in jail for now showing up to depositions, hiding evidence, lying to prosecutors, etc. etc. I'd love for these assholes to have to run their campaigns from the jail house.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Appointed in July.
Confirmed in October.
INSURRECTION WAS JANUARY 6, previously.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)It was the appointment of US Attorney - and that question can only be answered by Congresswoman Norton and President Biden.
Sherwin was still there on March 3. Channing was only appointed acting. Biden shared his FIRST slate of 8 slate on July 26 -
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/07/26/president-biden-announces-eight-nominees-to-serve-as-u-s-attorneys/
Graves seems like he was 'snuck in' on the bottom.
Budi
(15,325 posts)4 mo isn't bad considering the shithole Barr left the DOJ in, not to mention the tons of data that had to be somehow pulled together just to build a mere basis for a case.
Knowing it & proving a legal case for what we all saw are 2 entirely different things.
4 fking months.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Confirmed on March 10th.
And you made a point about what we all saw - but in terms of what many of us did NOT see -
I'm happy Graves stuck it out with Trump's merry band of malcontents in the GOP Senate. What did Ron Johnson Know and When Did He Know It?
It's what we don't see but the Jan 6th Committee DOES see - that I think Graves and Fitzgerald are going to get convictions on.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Those old worn out Social Media botnet one-liners just aren't cutting it anymore.
I have absolute faith in Biden, Garland & his staff, the Jan 6 committee & all those working in the background to prosecute & convict evey last person or Corpoation who aided in the coup on our Democratic process.
In the end Theirs will be the voice we hear & remember for history sake.
Not the botnet anarchists.
wryter2000
(46,070 posts)Interesting. Ron Effing Johnson. Explains a lot.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Republican U.S. Sens. Mike Lee of Utah, Ted Cruz of Texas, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama and Rick Scott of Florida also signed the letter.
The Biden administration has been completely unresponsive to oversight and lacks transparency not only to Congress but to the American people," a Johnson spokeswoman said. "We will be happy to release the hold once the Department of Justice provides a response to the Senators June 7, 2021 letter requesting information on the unequal application of justice between the individuals who breached the Capitol on Jan. 6, and those involved in the unrest during the spring and summer of 2020.
During a radio interview in March, Johnson said he didn't feel threatened by supporters of ex-President Donald Trump who marched on the Capitol because "I knew those were people who love this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break the law, so I wasn't concerned."
"Now, had the tables been turned, and Joe this is going to get me in trouble had the tables been turned and President Trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of Black Lives Matter and antifa, I might have been a little concerned," Johnson said during an interview with syndicated radio show host Joe "Pags" Pagliarulo.
Graves' nomination passed on a voice vote through the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee but is still waiting for full confirmation by the Senate.
Johnson's move was first reported by Business Insider.
Now - where have I read this before:
Ron Johnson: "
The Biden administration has been completely unresponsive to oversight and lacks transparency not only to Congress but to the American people"
wryter2000
(46,070 posts)"would never do anything to break the law." They were beating up cops! Jeehosophat, these people are sick. And racist.
You want to know why the insurrectionists are getting different treatment from the people protesting the murder of George Floyd, Johnson? Because the protesters didn't do anything wrong.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)ShazzieB
(16,443 posts)He said this AFTER everybody who had ever turned on a TV, logged on to the internet, or laid eyes on a newspaper since January 6 already knew these people had broken laws! If he'd said that he wasn't afraid at the time because he didn't think they were going to break any laws, I could almost maybe sort of buy it, but this is a laughably obvious lie.
The only people at the Capitol that day who didn't fear for their personal safety were those who were in on it and knew they weren't on the "hit list." I think Johnson gave himself away there.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)I think all five of the Senators who pushed 'what's in Grave's questionnaire' were in on it.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Makes ya wonder who doesn't want the procesution to take place before 2022/2024?
Stall, delay, degrade the process & the Biden Admin, his AG, & hold up confirmations to advance that prosecution.
Ron Johnson says:
"The Biden administration has been completely unresponsive to oversight and lacks transparency not only to Congress but to the American people"
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)I dunno.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,746 posts)SoFlaJet
(7,767 posts)And maybe put it in simple terms to help me understand just WTF is or isn't happening with the Justice department and the January 6th investigation?
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Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)In fact, you're the only on in this thread I see saying that.
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Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #93)
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Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)never said. Words that no one but you has said in this thread.
And you are telling me I am putting words in your mouth. Can't make this stuff up.
And sweetie, I just disagree with you. I'm not in with anyone. Make this a schoolyard fight with teams if you need to, but I'll pass.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Love, peace, and hair grease -
Sweetie
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Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)this thread said any such thing.
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Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)"There's a word for that."
What's the word?
Just asking
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)This thread is fascinating.
Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I find pile-on threads to be very revealing.
Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)But yes, the behavior is really interesting.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Indeed.
Mr. Evil
(2,853 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,231 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)I think they decided to run down the clock on civil rights/voting legislation. Knowing - that hey -
If we take the house and the senate - we can impeach biden and harris and put our Leader in the White House.
gab13by13
(21,375 posts)We were also told to wait until Kristen Clarke was approved to the civil rights division, yet DOJ did nothing to stop the Cyber Ninjas, nothing to stop the fraudits from spreading across the country.
I admire Kristen Clarke, she is one sharp person, but I mean, she's been confirmed for a while now.
With that said, Graves sounds like the guy to get the ball rolling.
Just like Cy Vance brought in Mr. Pommerance (sp) to go over Trump's finances in New York.
Hopefully we will see movement now.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Agree on Kristen Clarke - but let me go back to the only thing I REALLY care about -
HR1 and HR4. She can only do so much - she needs things like pre-disclosure legislation.
I really don't care about Trump Co at this time. . . or BBB. i care about voting rights - because without it -
We really are doomed.
ancianita
(36,112 posts)THIS. What I been tryin' to say:
He hires, takes his hands off the leash, and releases his pit bulls.
Thank you, too!
calimary
(81,364 posts)Frankly, doesnt look like hes doing ANYTHING or showing ANY kind of leadership, forceful or otherwise.
I would be absolutely THRILLED to be wrong on this one.
ancianita
(36,112 posts)He could be getting all the easier mess out of the way -- we have lots of evidence of activity of cleanup and new standards -- so that the DOJ can more fully focus on the massive case to be made against the conspirators of the last administration. That's my take.
I hear you on being wrong. I'd rather be a wrong pessimist than a wrong optimist most of the time, too.
I just think we have enough to go on to feel confident now, given the existence of Matt Graves (Bannon) and Amy Fitzpatrick. They already have more than one team on Jan 6, of course -- and use the connections they've culled from those convicted, as well -- because none of the DOJ's indictments and convictions have been overturned.
Solid legal progress.
dchill
(38,511 posts)usaf-vet
(6,190 posts)He is a slimy snake and has been a Trump cult member since day one.
Without his father-in-law's money, he would be just another loudmouth.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)So why did he hold up the confirmation? There ya have it. I think Lynn Cheney wasn't playing when she said that there are members of Congress involved and being investigated.
demmiblue
(36,871 posts)And I can only see a little over half of the replies.
ShazzieB
(16,443 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Of the thread.
Also - I dismissed that person so - there's that.
demmiblue
(36,871 posts)Although, I generally do not feel the need to act like an asshole, so....
Budi
(15,325 posts)gab13by13
(21,375 posts)We all want to see Trump indicted and convicted of something. I'm with Liz Cheney on this one, she clearly spelled it out 2 days in a row;
Donald Trump impeded an official proceeding of Congress, which is a serious felony.
Can we all agree with Liz?
Scrivener7
(50,958 posts)ShazzieB
(16,443 posts)Of course, there are some who find it more fun to just sit and rain on every parade anyone else tries to organize. I guess it makes them feel like they're "smarter" them the rest of us.
Whatever floats their boat, I guess!
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)The rest of them - I want to see it in DC.
If he's convicted in NYC - then he can't be pardoned by a President.
msfiddlestix
(7,284 posts)Between this report along with another post buried in a different OP, I'm starting to feel optimistic.
So very happy to read this one too!
Thank you!
ananda
(28,868 posts)Wow
orangecrush
(19,586 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)orangecrush
(19,586 posts)Early t.v. defense lawyer who never lost a case to D.A. Hamilton Burger. (In photo.)
Perry Mason was played by Raymond Burr.
pecosbob
(7,542 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,441 posts)BootinUp
(47,168 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,093 posts)Moebym
(989 posts)Who is to say that Mr. Graves, Doug Jones, Sally Yates, Glenn Kirschner (sp?), Preet Bharara, or any of the other real or wished-for contenders for the AG slot would not have done exactly as Garland has or faced the same obstacles had they been in his place?
Aggressive or not, each of them knows that there are certain rules, policies and procedures that must be followed. I may not be familiar with the inner workings of the Justice Department, but I do know that it's a folly to expect them to work at the pace we would prefer.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)A by product of the MF45 Admin?
The death of expertise. Everyone knows more than the experts who have the education, experience, and on the job knowledge.
Glad you wrote it.