I just heard someone ask why should Americans trust the CDC

[malaise]

I switched stations. Trust Q assholes fool- goodbye. Cain him.
That is all

[luv2fly]

1. Some people here seem to not trust the CDC

A couple days ago after the CDC announced a switch from 10 days of quarantine to five, there were more than a few posts questioning the CDC's wisdom.

Either you believe in science or you don't.

[gab13by13]

3. That's not the same,

the switch to 5 days debate is a reasonable debate. I also wanted to hear the reasoning because I too was skeptical, after hearing the reasons, I'm OK with it. Some doctors are not OK with it they want more testing in conjunction with shortening the quarantine.

[PJMcK]

4. As the tee shirt says

“Science doesn’t care what you believe.”

[snpsmom]

6. Distrust and healthy skepticism

based on history are not the same thing [link:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK232419/|

[Scrivener7]

9. Was the CDC following the science when they said, "Don't mask!" Or were they following the science

when they reversed that?

Were they following the science when they said, "Just wash your hands real good and go about your business. You'll be just fine!"
Or were they following the science when they reversed that?

Were they following the science when they told us it was not airborn?
Or were they following the science when they reversed that?

Were they following the science when, at the start of the Delta surge, they said, "If you're vaxxed, stop masking!"
Or were they following the science when they reversed that?

Were they following the science when they refused to endorse Pfizer booster for at-risk workers in September?
Or were the following the science when Wallensky reversed that?

Are they following the science now when they say, "Go on back to work after 5 days! No need for a negative test!"
Or will they be following the science when they reverse that?

I follow the science. I believe in science. That's why I don't believe a word the CDC says. They have been awful at every step of this crisis.

[BlackSkimmer]

16. You said that better than I ever could have.

Exactly.

Thank you.

[doc03]

18. I agree how can you trust them when they put out recommendations then

a few days later reverse them. It sounds to me like their main concern is not to disrupt the economy rather than
controlling disease. At first they come out with a rosy scenario then change their tune after they are proven wrong
over and over.

[lostnfound]

10. "Nurse and doctor Twitter" is ballistic over that CDC pronouncement

Many feel betrayed and unprotected. No need for a negative test, come back to work 5 days after testing positive. Many seem bitter at being asked to sacrifice themselves even more.

[Scrivener7]

12. Who can blame them? I left a medical profession and retired a year earlier than planned

because there is just too much idiocy going around. I could not adequately protect myself.

Here's PCIntern describing the rock and hard place he is stuck between:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16195022

And every time the CDC minimizes the danger with one of these pronouncements that they will soon reverse, it makes it worse.

[RobinA]

11. I Think There's A Difference

between believing in science and trusting the CDC. I believe in science. I don't necessarily trust the CDC to make judgments based on the science and nothing but the science. Public health is a balancing act between the science and what you need to say to get the response you want in order to protect the community as a whole. There are a lot of considerations that the CDC has to weigh that go beyond pure science.

[Ms. Toad]

13. Science and the CDC are not synonymous.

The CDC has made far too many missteps as to COVID for me to trust them without verifying the science.

According to the science, at 5 days, a signifincant number of people are still infectious.

Limiting the isolation to 5 days without linking that return to a negative test will put a significant number of infectious people back in circulation. That is inconsistent with the science. It is driven by the economic need for people to return to work **even if that early return causes more infections**

I believe in science, and will continue to speak out against CDC guidance which is inconsistent with science.

[BlackSkimmer]

20. Yep.

This.

[Celerity]

28. Yes, but the appeal to authority crowd brooks no dissent.

Any questioning or criticism of most all things under governmental control (certainly not limited to the just the CDC) during a Dem administration is reacted to by some as if the person involved just took a hot n' smokey steamer of a dump on Biden's shoe. They use almost no nuance nor discernment when passing judgment. It is the oh so typical American utterly black or white framing. No grey areas or disagreement allowed.

A favourite trick of theirs is to pick an actual non-legitimate, cheap shot, or RW attack made by an actual bad actor from the past, drag out to the present, and then apply it via false framing to ANY legitimate debate or comment they disagree with. It poisons the well and automatically attributes nefarious intent to any criticism.

They also quite often assume a false white knight stance/position that sets them up as the fighter for the good, their target a malevolent force, and again allows them and them alone to be the arbiter of what is good and what is bad. That type of sophistry is authoritarian by its very nature.

[Ms. Toad]

34. Pretty good summation -

and not limited to the current COVID setting.

I miss the days when more of us were able to see in greyscale - or even better color.

[Scrivener7]

42. This is an excellent description. I suppose it is a way to maintain a feeling

that things aren't out of control. I get that feeling, but I don't understand their position.

Also, is it just me, or is there more of this going around right now? Again, I suppose that goes back to the lack of a feeling of control.

[BlackSkimmer]

43. Very well said.

[leftstreet]

29. +1

[RobinA]

35. My Job

does require a negative test after 5 days. Which is good. Unfortunately, they demand a test after five days, in effect telling us we better be well enough to come in after five days.

[Ms. Toad]

38. The former is good (assuming you can actually access a test).

Bad that you aren't allowed full time to recover.

My daughter is currently on COVID leave (even though it is likely just the flu). She has a PCR test scheduled for today - and likely won't get the results back before the 5-days they give her runs out. If she tests negative, that's all they will give her (and she has to take unpaid leave, assuming she has unpaid hours left to take) - unless she can get a doctor's note advising her to stay home until she tests negative. She didn't go see a doctor because (1) holidays and (2) why expose others when her symptoms are mild flu-like symptoms. We're chatting with our family doctor to see if he will write her a note.

This whole coercion to go back to work sucks - and makes it impossible for people to recover/avoid spreading the plague.

[lostnfound]

14. It was economics and need for functional society. Fauci interview:

On Chris Hayes https://t.co/W0I8Zea6JZ
Fauci: "So many people — now and likely in the next few weeks — who will be infected by this wave of infections that we're getting with Omicron ... that might have a negative impact on our ability to maintain the structure of society."

Chris Hayes: “You are talking about a policy judgment in a context of tradeoffs between different consequences." Contrasts stopping spread of Covid-19 vs having a water treatment facility have its technicians all out sick for 10 days.

Fauci nods yes and responds: "Correct."

Fauci: "Nothing is going to be 100%. And this is one of those situations when you're dealing with a very difficult situation. We often say, you don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good."

Notes people are more like to be infectious at the start of an infection.
“The CDC feels and I don't disagree with them at all, that wearing a mask is ample protection during that second half of a 10 day period, when you balance that against the importance of trying to get people back functioning in society."

Fauci: "We're trying to have a good balance of preserving and protecting the public health, at the same time that we don't have to have the draconian decision of shutting down the country."

Says there would be "a lot more devil advocates yelling" if the U.S. was "shut down."

[RobinA]

36. This Illustrates

my point above about public health being a balancing act. It can't care so much about individuals that it sacrifices the society. Public health is never going to be able to make policy based solely on what is best for individual members of the society. So there's science, and there's public health. Related, but not clones.

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Really?

I saw it right here a half dozen times in the last 2 days.
I don't think that distrust is isolated to Q-Nuts.

[gab13by13]

5. I listened to a reputable doctor yesterday,

giving the argument that after 5 days people are not likely to transmit Covid, however, that is not true in all cases, and he gave an example of a doctor friend of his who still tested positive after 8 days. This doctor is OK with going to 5 days in conjunction with testing.

Discussions like this are not unreasonable.

[ProfessorGAC]

15. Not Sure What That...

...has to do with what i posted.
But, i believe what you're reporting.

[Demsrule86]

19. My husband still tests positive after a month...he is fine and no longer contagious. He is back at

work. In Ohio, you were required to quarantine two weeks counting from the day of the positive test. I expect that has changed now with the new CDC ruling. I trust Biden, Fauci, and the CDC on this matter. It has been shown that you are contagious two days before symptoms and two days after...some who have Covid will test positive for several months. So requiring testing to get back to work especially at a time when tests are scarce and are needed for the newly sick would be foolish and cause great hardship since there is no help in most states for those with Covid. We lost two weeks of pay...most do around here. That is a hardship.

[Demsrule86]

24. I wanted to add you can test positive and still be beyond the stage of transmitting the disease. You

can test positive for several months after you have Covid or even receive the vaccine.

[CrackityJones75]

26. Of course you will test positive 8 days later.

[Irish_Dem]

7. I heard someone say that PhDs and scientists think they know more than other people.

No acknowledgment whatsoever today that scientists who have spent their entire adult lives studying certain topics might know a bit more than the general high school educated population.

[gab13by13]

8. My example was between 2 reputable doctors,

not between a doctor and a mechanic. There are plenty of PhD doctors who have different opinions of going to 5 days.

Look at the thread below this one with Michigan.

[Demsrule86]

22. Doctors who see patients are not the same as research doctors who spent decades studying viruses...

and we have seen how political many doctors are...discrediting the vaccines and so on. Many doctors have been in practice for years and don't engage in research during medical school unless they choose to go into the research. Your doctor didn't.

[Diamond_Dog]

17. I really think TFG corrupted the CDC to some extent.

[Demsrule86]

23. The bottom line is we cant shut down the country. If the science shows people can safely work than

they should.

[BlackSkimmer]

45. He's been gone a year. nt

[brooklynite]

25. I've seen plenty of people here district they CDC...

Too many people on both sides have made their own medical judgements and don’t want them challenged by someone official.

[CrackityJones75]

27. I see people here all day long doing the russians work for them

I see people here all day long doing the russians work for them by stating “You can’t believe a word from the CDC”

That is exactly what they want us to do. Right along with not trusting our DOJ and the media.


These are all the same mantras the people on the right spout. Demand better for sure. But outright giving up on them is what leads to our institutions falling.

[leftstreet]

30. LOL

Now it's tHe rUssIanS ?

[CrackityJones75]

33. Is it ever not?

Do you discount the disinformation campaign involving distrust in our government that has been waged against is for years? Interesting. I suppose that entire distrust of our elections was just a dream.

[BlackSkimmer]

47. Too funny, right?

Wow, this place has changed.

Thinking independently makes you a Ruskie now? Wow, the 50s are calling and want their Red scare back!

[Scrivener7]

31. Lol! We will have to disagree. I think, "Never question!!! Not

even in the face of evidence! No matter how many times they are proven wrong, never question them!" is a much better tool for the Ruussians to use.

[CrackityJones75]

32. Cuz that's what I said

Except for the part where I say exactly the opposite. But then you would have to read people’s entire posts to not reply and look line an idiot.

[Scrivener7]

39. Lol. You seem to have misread my post.

[BlackSkimmer]

46. The CDC keeps issuing advice and then retracting it? And those of us who are fed up are now

Russian agents? Oh good lordie me.

[CrackityJones75]

48. Not what I said

But keep trying.

[BlackSkimmer]

49. Nah, I see you. nt

[BlackSkimmer]

51. Lol.

Name calling is so mature.

[CrackityJones75]

52. LOL.

Bwahahahha ahahahha wahahaha.

[BlackSkimmer]

53. Oh dear.

Feel better hon.

[BlackSkimmer]

54. Mmm.

[Mysterian]

40. The dumb bumpkins will take medical advice from Alex Jones

but not the CDC.

[BannonsLiver]

41. Some people pushing that meme here, unfortunately.

[JuJuChen]

44. Fuck em'