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Nevilledog

(51,116 posts)
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:12 PM Dec 2021

Just in case you're not already convinced Dr. Oz is a loon....



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Oz: Published today, an article from Brown showing that kids born during the pandemic are developmentally delayed. Think about that. We’re hurting our children with some of these policies. Kids who can’t see the mouths of their teachers move don’t learn to speak.


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Just in case you're not already convinced Dr. Oz is a loon.... (Original Post) Nevilledog Dec 2021 OP
Kids born during the pandemic are 18 months old - at the oldest gratuitous Dec 2021 #1
Yes, my granddaughter was born during the pandemic, this has got to be Bev54 Dec 2021 #8
The term "snake oil salesman" was coined to describe this guy. sop Dec 2021 #2
Word salady works also. brush Dec 2021 #19
OZ says kids ARE developmentally delayed. There are articles that say SOME Hoyt Dec 2021 #3
What is overstated.... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2021 #5
I think there is an increase in developmental delay. To ignore that is foolish. Hoyt Dec 2021 #6
What is overstated is that kids born during the pandemic Bev54 Dec 2021 #9
But 6 and 8 year olds that were out, might have lost some months. Hoyt Dec 2021 #10
What "he" said was kids "born" during the pandemic Bev54 Dec 2021 #11
I've said OZ is stupid. But, it is a problem for young kids who need more Hoyt Dec 2021 #13
That's just dumb. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2021 #4
Spending More Time With Their Work At Home Parents Hurts Them How Bad? DanieRains Dec 2021 #7
Where I live, 70% of those parents voted for trump. Not sure more home time Hoyt Dec 2021 #12
I agree. herding cats Dec 2021 #15
+1. No telling what bad outcomes researchers will identify 15 years from now. Hoyt Dec 2021 #17
Very Well Said DanieRains Dec 2021 #21
Oz is dipping his tasting spoon in a tub full of Dark Triad stew. Nt Baked Potato Dec 2021 #14
Search terms "pubmed" children developmental delay COVID-19 pandemic mahina Dec 2021 #16
Maybe it's more a factor with new parents reaction to a pandemic than exposure or mitigation. haele Dec 2021 #22
Just lookin at him on Mute.. Cha Dec 2021 #18
So, he thinks kids wait until starting SCHOOL to learn to speak? Really? hlthe2b Dec 2021 #20
Also,not all kids hit the same markers at the same rate. haele Dec 2021 #23

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. Kids born during the pandemic are 18 months old - at the oldest
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:22 PM
Dec 2021

What teachers do 18 month olds have, Doctor?

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
8. Yes, my granddaughter was born during the pandemic, this has got to be
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:04 AM
Dec 2021

one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. OZ says kids ARE developmentally delayed. There are articles that say SOME
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:33 PM
Dec 2021

evidence of increased developmental delays.

I think there is some delay for some kids, but OZ is overstating situation.


Searched under “ oz says pandemic kids are developmentally delayed.” Found a number of articles that talk about increased delay, but not some massive problem.

I think one has to take that risk into account in making policy, but he’s overstating risk.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. I think there is an increase in developmental delay. To ignore that is foolish.
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:40 PM
Dec 2021

OZ overstated risks.

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
9. What is overstated is that kids born during the pandemic
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:06 AM
Dec 2021

are not in school and at the most are coming up 2 years old. There is no development delay.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. But 6 and 8 year olds that were out, might have lost some months.
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:12 AM
Dec 2021

Whether they’ll catch up, I don’t know. Probably will, unless goes on too long.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. I've said OZ is stupid. But, it is a problem for young kids who need more
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:21 AM
Dec 2021

attention than you can get on a video. Certainly not the only issue in deciding whether schools should remain open, under a hybrid schedule, or something else. But it is an issue.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
4. That's just dumb.
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:36 PM
Dec 2021

Pandemic kids are two or three years old. How many teachers have they had? My two year old grandgirl added about 50 new words last week.

And, most kids know how to speak before they go to school. I mean, duh.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
7. Spending More Time With Their Work At Home Parents Hurts Them How Bad?
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:43 PM
Dec 2021

The parents could take them to day care, but why. I mean other than that....

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. Where I live, 70% of those parents voted for trump. Not sure more home time
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:15 AM
Dec 2021

with them is best for a kid, if it can safely be avoided.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
15. I agree.
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:41 AM
Dec 2021

I can also add, if you want to see developmental delays, look to the children of the core Trumper types. Many of their 5 year olds cannot enunciate to their age level let alone know their alphabet by sight. I'm not being mean, it hurts my heart to see the lack of care some of these parents put into their children's well-being and developmental skills.

Where I am this is why Head Start programs matter, even if they're too few. Leaving them with a family member (usually grandparent) who is going to under stimulate their mind by parking them in front of a TV (or other screen) and telling them being good is being quiet and leaving the guardian in peace, just repeats the cycle of developmental neglect their parent experienced.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. +1. No telling what bad outcomes researchers will identify 15 years from now.
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:46 AM
Dec 2021

If lucky, there will also be positive outcomes from COVID like increased wages, more working from home, preparedness for new virus, approval of massive government programs like stimulus and enhanced unemployment, etc.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
21. Very Well Said
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:39 PM
Dec 2021

Makes me think of my Slobfather supporting friend's daughter being raised in an alternate universe.

mahina

(17,663 posts)
16. Search terms "pubmed" children developmental delay COVID-19 pandemic
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:42 AM
Dec 2021

There are a couple with one or two citations.
From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34692602/
You can read the abstract, it’s brief.

“Conclusion: Experiencing the COVID-19 pandemic and related public health strategies might be associated with a higher risk of delay in the development of fine motor and communication in 1-year-old children; the association observed in the communication domain only existed in first-born children.”

It’s lunacy to suggest this possibility is a result of masks and not a result of the freaking virus breaking so much.

I wish everyone knows to add “pubmed” to medical searches to get peer reviewed journal articles rather than Joe’s Website.

haele

(12,659 posts)
22. Maybe it's more a factor with new parents reaction to a pandemic than exposure or mitigation.
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:55 PM
Dec 2021

New parents who are isolating and may be resentful or paranoid because of those restrictions might not be interacting with their babies appropriately to trigger better development. There's not as much help available to them to deal with not only the stresses of being new parents, but for other stresses - jobs, bills, shortages, the inability to socialize as before.

Haele

hlthe2b

(102,287 posts)
20. So, he thinks kids wait until starting SCHOOL to learn to speak? Really?
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 07:02 AM
Dec 2021

Babies being to talk at or before 12 months. If they are 5 years old and not speaking with what is a pretty amazing vocabulary for the age, it isn't going to be the school at fault.

To blame masking in first grade for missed landmarks in the first five years is insane.

haele

(12,659 posts)
23. Also,not all kids hit the same markers at the same rate.
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:46 PM
Dec 2021

The pandemic isolation has affected new parents by seriously reducing the resources and normal stress relief that parents previously had, affecting the attitude, attention and quality of parenting they were able to provide.
Babies and their development are affected by the health and stress level of their parents, both before and after birth. The hardship of isolation, of not being able to get out to take care of themselves or their environment as the parents were used to prior to the pandemic has led to a lot of depression and unhealthy habits.

Haele

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