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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOn January 6 of 2021, both of my parents died.
So many stories about people dying from COVID-19. Some resisted the vaccine. Some were also high-school sweethearts long ago.
My parents did not have a chance to get vaccinated. No vaccine was available to them. My father died in the hospital of COVID-19 pneumonia, an hour after my mother, and his wife of 75 years, died at home, probably of COVID-19, although that was not on her death certificate. She was never diagnosed, and passed in her sleep, under the care of 24/7 home care aides and hospice workers. Both were 96 years old.
They, too, were high school sweethearts, married in 1944, shortly before my father shipped out to pilot B-17s out of Italy. I was born in 1945, just before he came home safely after the war.
The local newspaper wanted to do a story about them. I asked that they not do that. Neither of my parents ever sought to be in the spotlight about anything. I wanted to respect their wishes, despite the nature of their deaths. Instead, I wrote a long joint obituary for them that ended up running on the paper's front page. I knew their story and I am a journalist. I did not want someone who did not know them romanticizing their deaths. So, that was how I began my year in 2021, writing my parents' obituary.
There are many similar stories. All of them are sad stories. We should not malign those who have died. It is a shame to malign them now, after their deaths. Yes, they were stupid. Yes, they should have been vaccinated. They are still dead, and are mourned by their families. We can think whatever we wish, but their deaths are not a reason to attack them now, after they're dead. That is not at all helpful to anyone or to any cause.
leftieNanner
(15,112 posts)Renewed condolences to you. I lost my parents one month apart in 2008 and I still mourn their passing. They were good folks. Married in 1941. Dad served in the Navy during WWII in the South Pacific.
They didn't want funerals - thought they were grim. But I wish we had hosted a party with their many friends. My sister wanted to escape the situation and we never did.
I hope you continue to have warm memories of the good people who raised such a caring son.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)They harmed the public good with their ignorance and selfishness.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Not at all.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)At the end of the day, she made her choice not to be vaccinated...yes, It may not serve any purpose, except for the ones that are left behind if they could have done a) b) or c)..
My friend is now racked with guilt, that should have jumped on a plane, called for welfare check sooner etc...
So Sorry for your loss MM...I agree... does not serve any purpose...other than we all need to look out each other even more..
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)COVID-19 was peaking there at that time. I had to think of my own little family. I had spoken to my father two days before he died, and I knew that my mother was near death, as well. I knew my father was not well, and suspected the cause. He entered the hospital that night. My father said to me, "Do not come here and get sick. If you do, I will haunt you." I knew he'd say something like that, because that's who he was.
So, I handled their estate and planned their burials from 2500 miles away. I did not go to California for their burial. I still have not seen their graves. That is very difficult for me. My sister and brother-in-law live in that town, so they were there, but there were no services. There couldn't be without risking others. All of that is now done. I will go there when I can.
Yes, we should encourage people to get vaccinated. I'm sure we all do that already. However, we should not malign the dead who did not get vaccinated. That causes nothing but additional pain for those who survive them. They know, already.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I agree, this causes nothing but additional pain for those who survive them..
femmedem
(8,203 posts)His last, profound gift to you. Even if you would have opted to stay home without those words, they absolved you of any guilt.
He loved you very much to say that, because covid aside, I'm sure he wanted to see you.
He sounds as if he was a wonderful man and father.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Beyond that, he was tired of living, which might sound odd, but it was true. His greatest fear was that my mother would outlive him and he wouldn't be able to make sure she was cared for. And she didn't outlive him, which would have made him glad. One hour.
He didn't know that. When he went into the hospital, the ER doctor called me and told me that there was literally nothing they could do to save his life. But, she called to see if I wanted him to be intubated and ventilated. He was a DNR anyhow, and made sure that everyone knew that. I said, "No. He would not want that." She said, "Good decision. We will keep him sedated and comfortable." And they did.
On the 6th, I got the call from the hospice nurse about my mother. An hour later, that same ER doctor called me about my father. I thanked them for their kind care and called my brother-in-law and the only funeral home in that town, to make arrangements. My sister also has advanced Alzheimer's, so she didn't have to deal with any of it. I called my eldest nephew and asked him to call the rest of the family for me. Then, I called the family trust's attorney's office with the news. By Noon, I had done all of those things and stopped for the day, giving myself time to think about the obituary I needed to write and to let things sink in. Soon, though, the stuff at the Capitol started up, and I was sucked into that nastiness. It certainly distracted me.
The next day, I wrote that obituary and sent it to all of their grandchildren, my brother-in-law, and the newspapers. The attorney called, and we began to discuss how to deal with their affairs, their already-sold, in-escrow farm, and any number of other things. I would have many, many conversations with him over the next six months. After a week and some time to examine the trust documents, their will, and other stuff, I communicated with all of the relatives and beneficiaries of the trust and will, explaining how I planned to deal with the role of executor and trustee. The entire family is very sensible and intelligent, and was fine with what I proposed. They all got a copy of the will and trust documents as pdf files, so everyone understood what my parent's wishes were. They trusted me, because they had no reason not to.
Once everything was done, a few months later, the attorney told me that he had never handled a complicated estate that went so smoothly. No conflicts. Everyone agreed on everything. I told him that was my parents' doing. That's how they brought up their family.
I just wish the country and its politics worked that way. Sadly, it most certainly does not.
femmedem
(8,203 posts)and do whatever they could to make things easier for their survivors. It was a gift to DU, because unless you've lived through it, it's hard to comprehend the amount of confusing paperwork you have to deal with when you are in the midst of your grief.
I'm glad to see the DU community offering you so much support today.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)So I believe.
whopis01
(3,514 posts)Pointing out that a person made a stupid, selfish choice that endangered not only themselves but others around them does serve a purpose.
There have been many stories of anti-vaxxers who, once becoming critically ill, have openly regretted their decision and now encouraged others to get the vaccine. Unfortunately many of them didnt make it. They realized the benefit of criticizing their own decisions. They tried to help others by doing so.
If pointing out that a person died and endangered others by making stupid decisions, often based on misinformation, helps push one person over the fence to decide to get vaccinated, then there is value to it.
If someone got drunk, went driving, got into an accident and killed themselves and others, I would not withhold my criticism just because they were dead. I view the anti-vaxxers the same way.
Cassidy
(202 posts)People in countries where they could have been vaccinated and/or refuse to wear masks are risking the health and lives of others all around the world. They are the Petri dishes from which the new variants arise. Even those who die have likely caused ill-health, possibly permanent, and death to others. They cause death because of the hospital beds they use, because of the medical people who quit or die (due to Covid or suicide), but most importantly because they keep Covid-19 circulating.
Delta has and R0 of 5.1. Omicron has an R0 of 3.7. That means those anti-vaxxers likely infected 4-5 people who each went on to infect 4-5 more people. And on and on and on...
They should be ashamed and they should be shamed. Their death is no reason for forgiveness. We continue to struggle to survive, we keep to our caves, because of their terrible, selfish choices.
PS MineralMan I am terribly sorry about your parents.
summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)Many, not just Mineral Mans parents, had no chance to get in line for the scarce few vaccines available then. Everyone who died unvaccinated in 2020, early 2021, even into mid-2021 if they were not elderly, couldnt get the vaccine unless at high risk. It wasnt authorized for them.
It only hurts and doesnt heal to blame the unvaccinated who have passed away.
Cassidy
(202 posts)summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)Sorry. Perhaps it was a bit indirect. Or perhaps in reading it on my phone, I processed it poorly. I do better on my laptop.
Cassidy
(202 posts)My writing is often more convoluted than I intend because I try to fit one more clause or adjective to make the original meaning more precise, yet, it doesn't turn out that way.
summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)femmedem
(8,203 posts)And thank you for sharing your perspective about not maligning the unvaxxed people who have died. I agree. Not only is maligning and mocking them not good for our cause, it's actually harmful. If people who've lost friends and family to covid start rethinking their own anti-vax thoughts and searching for other points of view, it pushes them away. It hurts survivors. And the gleeful gravedancing is damaging to our own souls.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)After writing that joint obituary, I spent that afternoon and evening watching what happened at the Capitol on TV. It was all pretty surreal.
The next day, though, I spent the day on the telephone and writing emails. I had the family's lawyer to deal with. They had sold their farm a month earlier, and it was still in escrow. I was the successor trustee of the family trust they had set up some years before. For the next six months, I did little except deal with details involved with that. I had to put on my big boy pants and hunker down to make sure everything went smoothly.
I managed, but it was beyond difficult. And, combined with the turmoil in the nation, it pretty much took every bit of energy I had available to me.
calimary
(81,295 posts)In a way, youve given us something ELSE to think about on January 6th. Triple - if you also count what went on in Washington DC. As this old news junkie inevitably watches the news coverage of this upcoming January 6th and all that makes it newsworthy, Ill also be thinking of you - and the two of them, reunited in Heaven on the same day.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I, for one, will never seek joy in someone elses grief or suffering. I will never laugh or joke about anyone getting sick or dying from COVID, whether I like them or not.
I find that trend to be very disturbing.
Best wishes to you in the New Year.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)2naSalit
(86,636 posts)I am there with you. My mom, 93, passed a year ago today, she was diagnosed five days earlier and was in a rehab facility, the virus was not mentioned on her DC. Six weeks later my dearest friend ever passed, that was far more upsetting, my mom and I were not close.
I was able to attend their memorials in June after becoming fully vaxxed, for then. I was able to spend time with my adopted, best friend's, family in between surges as I had to travel to their town for medical treatment and I stayed with them, they had already had covid and were vaxxed too.
I also, in June, had to find new housing with short notice so that added to the year's trauma. It's been a rough year, I am certain I had it easy compared to most as I was never short of money due to my inheritance that arrived rather quickly, and I am thankful beyond words for what I do have. That's all I can say about it too, I don't feel like I've gained anything, only maintained an existence.
And so, here we are, riding the big merry-go-round for another spinning twirl.
All the best to you and yours.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)It has been a difficult year, to be sure. Thanks!
2naSalit
(86,636 posts)Especially when the pandemic got rolling. I knew it would take those two and others, they were vulnerable by age alone.
There was something I did conclude on my own early into the pandemic, tough, that I will briefly describe here as we are now in the end of the first stage of the process.
Cultural anthropology is where I am coming from here though genetic anthropology is the place the original theory was determined;
Remember Stephen Jay Gould? Remember his theory of Punctuated Equilibrium? (I realize that Dr. Gould was a genetic anthropologist and his theory is meant to describe an attribute of genetic evolution, I have managed to extrapolate the basic theory to a more mundane level of culture, and philosophical ecosystems.)
Briefly, the theory claims that evolution did not occur in a metered set of steps, rather, they took place during , perhaps, catastrophic events in leaps and bounds which is where some genetic selection took place due to necessity of survival. (How's that for brief? )
So I have concluded that this pandemic will prove itself to be one of those punctuated equilibrium events where all of our species is affected by the same thing which will cause all of our species to come to a reckoning on the philosophical, spiritual and cultural levels all within a rather short time frame, thus the word punctuated.
Now, two years in, I am seeing some areas of significant change, Hard to articulate at this point put things are definitely shifting on many levels, hang in there 'cause we're only two years in on a three to five year process. Changes will include a reduction in global population though we won't know how significant that will be until three or four years from now. People on the planet now are all in some kind of internal review, some will learn from it, others not.
I just hope the changes bring us to a better place as a species, if not, the planet will evict us.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)roughly 1%. Back in 2020, I predicted that 1% of Americans could easily die of this disease. About 3.1 million. I still think that is likely, in the end.
2naSalit
(86,636 posts)I agree that it can be that, easily.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)2naSalit
(86,636 posts)That major events change how all things in nature goes about their business of survival. Ours is in transition and the results of our input will come rather quickly now. Since we live by reason and intent, those things will now be put under scrutiny in unexpected ways yet could be the best thing for survival of the species.
Purely speculation, though not an uninformed one.
Alice Kramden
(2,166 posts)I had not heard of that theory of Gould 's. Thanks for mentioning it.
2naSalit
(86,636 posts)In my early adult years. I remember him and Margaret Mead from back then, I didn't recognize their importance until years later when I was in college studying anthropology.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)in my family. No matter how wrong I think they are, I would be crushed if they died of Covid or anything else. These are not all horrible people who deserve death. Their families left behind deserve peace.
I lost my mom in April of 2020. Not of Covid. It was a terrible time then. No services. No proper send offs. She deserved so much better than we were allowed. Haunts me to this day. I mourn her loss still every day. My closest friend in life.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I know you would not, either.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I don't care what they think. Nobody deserves to be ill or die from illness.
My parents carefully raised their children not to be cruel to others.
spanone
(135,838 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)Good riddance.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I guess...
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Unbelievable.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)They are the spreaders and malicious deniers of science. It is sad if someone dies by suicide alone, but dying because someone commits suicide at the end of a mass shooting (or after spreading disease intentionally by not vaccinating or masking), then there is no sympathy to be had. At best we can just mock their stupidity.
It would have been better if they had deleted themselves before sickening others or voting for DFT.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16195742
Hekate
(90,704 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)question everything
(47,483 posts)But not only have they endangered others, as mentioned here, but also health care workers and other patients when all ICU beds are taken.
When all this will end, perhaps we will know how many health care workers quit in frustration and fatigue, and how many non-Covid died because they could not be admitted to a hospital on time.
My condolences to you. They lived a long, rich life and left you with rich memories that can be cherished.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Sadly, yes. But, I manage to keep those thoughts to myself.
As you said, giving angry voice to thoughts we regret "serves no purpose.
I can't even imagine dealing with your tragedy last year. The fact that you had the strength to deal with it speaks well of those you lost. May their memories be a blessing.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)You're right. How my parents raised me prepared me for just about anything that could happen. And one of those things is just what you mentioned. We all have negative thoughts. If we have wisdom, though, we keep those thoughts to ourselves and do not broadcast them in public, since that often cause others pain. Such thoughts fade as we consider them further. We should let that process happen, it seems to me, as much as we possible can.
Tragedy and mourning test us all, for sure. If we survive such things and come out of them with lessons learned, we are stronger for them. That's easier said than done, though, certainly.
malaise
(269,020 posts)I am not celebrating a single death, but I am not mourning for those who made a choice to refuse vaccines and walked and continue to walk among us spreading this deadly virus.
Great post.
Happy New Year to you and yours.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That's not required of us. Being as kind as we can be, however, is always worthwhile, I think.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)But now, a year later, there is zero excuse for not being vaccinated, and it enrages me that such idiots then waste perfectly good medical resources because of their own stubborn stupidity and willful ignorance. If they stayed home and died there, I'd simply shrug. But when they go to a hospital, and then attack the nurses and doctors there, continuing to say Covid is a hoax or demanding some "treatment" that is not just ineffective but outright harmful, I'm sorry, I have no sympathy or compassion for them.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)them. Nobody is asking you to do that. The dead are dead. They are no longer reachable. What I think is that it serves no purpose to inflict our anger or disgust on those who survive the dead. All that does is harden their minds against doing what makes sense.
Yelling at an angry person never lessens that person's anger. It is the same with obstinacy.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)screaming at us that we are wrong, they've done "research" and so on. I'm willing to fight fire with fire, hand to them exactly what they hand to us.
Although the most effective thing, in my opinion, would be to refuse to admit them to a hospital if they have Covid. For other things, okay, but the very first thing done is give the first vaccination shot. No exceptions other than the rare people who truly cannot get the vaccine, and children too young to get it.
Ocelot II
(115,718 posts)I'm not glad they're dead; I just wish they hadn't been sucked into the vortex of the anti-science, own-the-libs mentality that made them reject a free, simple procedure that could have saved their lives. I'm angry that bad actors in politics and the media, in order to serve their agenda, concocted an alternate reality where covid was a hoax, or just the flu, or could be cured with bleach or livestock de-wormer, and that so many people eagerly bought the snake oil.
I'm angry that those people killed themselves just as surely and as stupidly as if they'd taken up roller-skating on the interstate. I'm angry that, completely unnecessarily, they left spouses, children, parents, siblings and friends to grieve for them; employers without employees; families without incomes. I'm angry that they had wandered loose and maskless in the community, endangering the lives of countless others. I'm angry that they imposed a terrible burden on hospital staff and made it difficult, if not impossible, for other sick or injured people to receive treatment.
Natural disasters occur and people are harmed or killed, but most people hide from tornadoes and hurricanes and wildfires instead of throwing themselves into them. I'm angry at the utter foolishness of the duped, and the cynicism of the dupers. So when I hear that someone who refused vaccination died of covid I'm not glad that they're dead and I'm not going to dance on their grave or take it out on their survivors, but I will rage into the skies at the waste and the folly and the cruelty.
I'm sorry for the loss of your parents, MM. It's tough no matter how or when...
mushroomhunter
(88 posts)it didn't have to be this way - such a waste - so much pain
Elessar Zappa
(13,998 posts)its hard to not feel a little glad when, for instance, a rightwing anti-vaxx radio host dies . Not only are they responsible for their own deaths, they also spread their bullshit and brainwash their listeners. Btw, Im very sorry that COVID took your parents. They obviously raised a kind and compassionate son.
Chicagogrl1
(419 posts)Life can be so hard & covid has made it that much more difficult. You are your parents legacy. May your memories be fond and may they rest in eternal peace.
samplegirl
(11,479 posts)Posted it
my heart broke then and still does for all the people who lost a loved one from Covid.
Sorry for your loss may 2022 tame this beast.
TheRickles
(2,063 posts)Of course it was very personal, but would you consider posting the link to your parents' obituary that you wrote? I think folks on DU would appreciate and respect that - I know I would. Either way, may their memory continue to be a blessing, and best wishes for 2022.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)TheRickles
(2,063 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)iluvtennis
(19,861 posts)TygrBright
(20,760 posts)That is not a bad thing, being able to cry for the losses and sorrows of others. When we lose that ability, we have lost something important.
Anniversaries can be hard. So many thoughts of "this date in a past time..." or "how many more of this date, bereft..." Our tendency to organize time helps us with a lot of things, but it can be most unhelpful in dealing with loss.
The process of transforming memories is a slow one... but I hope that you find the good ones, and the comfort, and the roots that do NOT die or leave, in those emptied places, growing into a different and more sustaining kind of awareness.
Thank you for sharing your experiences, and for your writing, MineralMan. I value them, and you being in this community.
appreciatively,
Bright
tavernier
(12,389 posts)❤️
GB_RN
(2,355 posts)My grandfather was a B-25 pilot in the 12th Air Force, 57th Bombardment Wing, 321st Bombardment Group in the Mediterranean too, and was based in North Africa and Sicily for a good part of his deployment. I've got all the photos he took from when he was in flight school until the the end of the war, plus his flight school, leather flight helmet, and a few other "souvenirs" he kept.
My grandfather died back in 1993 from emphysema. While I still miss him terribly almost 30 years later, I'm glad he didn't live to see fascists running amok in our government. In fact, I'm glad that none of my WW2-veteran relatives lived to see tRump maladministration and his coup attempt last year.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)was on Ploesti. He flew in the 463rd Bomb Group (Heavy) out of Foggia, Italy. He started flying there in 1944. After the war, he flew troop transport missions in a B-17 in the Green Project, then flew home to the US, via Africa, Brazil, Cuba, and Florida in his B-17. He mustered out in Florida and took a train back to Arizona.
Here's a photo of him and his crew in Foggia:
And here's the history and nostalgia website for the 463rd Bomb Group.
https://www.463rd.org/mission.htm
Thanks for posting the photo of your dad, and the link to his outfit. Here's the link to my grandfather's 321st Bombardment Group's history page (under the 57th Bomb Wing's Association page). He was assigned to the 447th Bomb Squadron. I have his flight log from the war, but I didn't realize how many different planes (meaning tail #s, as they were all B-25s) he actually flew.
I don't have many photos of his stuff (it's all in storage right now), or I'd put some up.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)These days, it's grandchildren who are maintaining the sites mostly.
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)day Hospice movement. She spoke of how so often two old people, usually life partners, seemed to hold each other up, like two sticks. To illustrate, she held her hands as if in prayer. "When one goes," she said, lowering one of her hands, "so often the other quickly falls, as well." With that remark, she lowered her other hand.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)kpete
(71,994 posts)Lost my dad April 2019, my dog April 2020
mr pete's health is precarious & my kids & grandkids have covid
my best friend's life has reminded me of a Mexican telenovela - unbelievable tragedies every day for very good people that I love
other than that, well here is hoping a new year washes us all clean?
yes,
"There are many similar stories"
thanks for sharing yours
kp
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)We forget that every one of them is a personal tragedy for someone.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)I, too, have wished people here would stop grave-dancing its such bad karma.
I, too, have been so angry that I have participated, especially when its a well-known person who had the power to influence.
All the while knowing how at-risk my own progeny are, because my daughter jumped down that rabbit hole and has kept on digging.
She and her three kids spent these holidays sick. Early on her vaxxed friends with the terrible cold got tested and it came back negative. Finally they retested and it came back positive for COVID, so someone passed along an at-home test to my daughter and another for her oldest, and sure enough, they have COVID. But in her mind she has cured herself and her kids with homeopathy, so not to worry, hack cough.
The Serenity Prayer is helpful, but this has cracked thru and revealed the terror beneath.
Please, DU, dont wish them dead.
For you, MM, many thanks. Steady on its what you do. May we live to see better times together.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Thanks!
femmedem
(8,203 posts)I hope that your daughter and grandchildren recover fully and that they'll have enough immunity afterwards to make it through to the end of the pandemic safely.
And I hate that you have to plead with DU not to wish them dead because they're not vaccinated.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)She was vaccinated and died of old age and probably colon cancer. She refused treatment and was in hospice home care from May to September. She was told 3 weeks in May and when she was still alive in July was pissed. She suffered and lived too long.
Rest In Peace Mom. I miss you so much.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)My father said, several times, "We live too long." I understand what he meant.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)During the pandemic, one is left without the traditional gatherings with opportunities to find comfort with others who also care for them. Very sorry for your loss, it has been a difficult time, to say the least.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,754 posts)before the war or after the war. During the war the world was on hold.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of this tragic, turbulent, and aspiring year, MM. May we all be part of making the next one better. If not us, who?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)To the new year!
Alice Kramden
(2,166 posts)And I agree it is not helpful to malign the dead. It diminishes our own humanity
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)Im so sorry you lost them in such tragic circumstances. I hope 2022 is a better year for all.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,611 posts)That must've been such a surreal day for you. If didn't do it then I want to offer my condolences to you on the loss of your parents. From your previous posts about them they sounded like great people who raised wonderful children. You were fortunate in that you had so much time with them. If I have your age right you were 74 when they passed. I was 37 with my mom and 45 with my dad. In a way I'm grateful that they both died before this pandemic hit. Mom was in a nursing home having suffered heart attack and several strokes. Dad had a pacemaker and was in frail health. Neither would've faired well.
As to the point you made about not grave dancing I agree. Don't get me wrong it makes me furious that so many were willfully stupid and didn't get the vaccine. It angers me greatly that the unvaccinated are breaking our healthcare system and are overwhelming hospitals to the point that people with other emergencies can't get the care they need because there aren't any beds. Still I take no joy in their deaths. So many needless deaths and for what? I would've much preferred that they'd gotten the vaccine. It didn't have to be this bad.
I hope you and yours have a safe and Happy New Year.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)MarcATL
(81 posts)Sorry for your loss.
femmedem
(8,203 posts)Welcome to Democratic Underground!