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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 11:58 AM Dec 2021

Is That a Burning Bush? Is This Mt. Sinai? Solstice Bolsters a Claim

On the year’s shortest day, hundreds of Israelis ventured deep into the desert to witness a strange natural phenomenon atop an ancient pilgrimage site that some argue is where God spoke to Moses.


The “Burning Bush” phenomenon, occurring on the winter solstice, at Mount Karkom in the Negev Desert in southern Israel.Credit...Amit Elkayam for The New York Times

MOUNT KARKOM, Israel — The mountain kept its secrets for centuries, its air of sacred mystery enhanced by a remote location in the Negev Desert in southern Israel.

But one day last week, hundreds of Israeli adventurers headed deep into the wilderness to reach Mount Karkom, determined to get closer to answering a question as intriguing as it is controversial: Is this the Mount Sinai of the Bible, where God is believed to have communicated with Moses?

Mount Sinai’s location has long been disputed by scholars both religious and academic, and there are a dozen more traditional contenders, most of them in the mountainous expanses of the Sinai Peninsula across the border in Egypt.

But Mount Karkom’s claim has gained some popular support because of an annual natural phenomenon that an intrepid group of archaeology and nature enthusiasts had come to witness for themselves.

In 2003, a local Israeli guide and ecologist happened to be atop Karkom’s vast plateau one day in late December around the time of the winter solstice, when he came upon a marvel.

At midday, with the sun low in the sky on one of the shortest days of the year, he peered across a deep ravine and spotted a strange aura of light, flickering like flames, emanating from a spot on a sheer rock face.

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Is That a Burning Bush? Is This Mt. Sinai? Solstice Bolsters a Claim (Original Post) Zorro Dec 2021 OP
"Bolsters?" No. Jirel Dec 2021 #1
But I saw the burning FOX Christmas tree with my own eyes. Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #2
The reality is unclear, but it is a great story. dameatball Dec 2021 #3
That's nothing... VGNonly Dec 2021 #4
Is that called deadcadence? ShazamIam Dec 2021 #5
I don't know if this photo shows the "real" Mount Sinai FakeNoose Dec 2021 #6
Thank you Jilly_in_VA Dec 2021 #7
I am... 2naSalit Dec 2021 #10
That could easily be done with some solar cells, a battery, a timer/flasher and lamps.... KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2021 #8
Well, Siani sure as Hell couldn't be in Egypt, right? Chainfire Dec 2021 #9
Burning bush shoukd be immediately 48656c6c6f20 Dec 2021 #11
Many years ago we toured the Sinai by plane and stopped at Saint Catherine's Monastery and we were question everything Dec 2021 #12
The true miracle jeffreyi Dec 2021 #13

Jirel

(2,018 posts)
1. "Bolsters?" No.
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 PM
Dec 2021

At best it once again provides scientific explanation for a tall story that was attributed to the supernatural.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
6. I don't know if this photo shows the "real" Mount Sinai
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:48 PM
Dec 2021

... but I do believe there's a scientific explanation for the burning bush story of the Bible. Moses wasn't a magician, he was a man of simple faith, and he told his stories in the only way he could. How we interpret those stories in the 21st century tells more about us than it does about Moses and his contemporaries.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,976 posts)
7. Thank you
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:58 PM
Dec 2021

That is very much what my late priest would have said. I am missing him very much right now.

2naSalit

(86,634 posts)
10. I am...
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:09 PM
Dec 2021

No fan of religion but that book was ground into me by my elders and I found that they lacked, spectacularly, when it came to interpretation. I felt even more so when I studied languages.

On the other hand, maybe some revelation of this type could lead some to recall the result of the burning bush event and review their adherence. But that might be asking too much at this point.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,491 posts)
8. That could easily be done with some solar cells, a battery, a timer/flasher and lamps....
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:09 PM
Dec 2021

and a climber willing to scale that wall an place it. Easy trick for a bunch of engineering college kids.

Or, maybe the anarchists have aimed that Jewish Space Laser at that spot just for fun.....

question everything

(47,481 posts)
12. Many years ago we toured the Sinai by plane and stopped at Saint Catherine's Monastery and we were
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:10 PM
Dec 2021

"shown" a small bush which was "the burning bush."

As we were flying over the arid, rugged terrain my spouse commented that walking there one could easily start conversing with god..


jeffreyi

(1,943 posts)
13. The true miracle
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:36 PM
Dec 2021

Is that precession doesn't apply? In the time of Moses, the sun at equinox would be in a completely different place, no?

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