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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAsking for stories about COVID.
I'm in the habit of collecting information about stuff. I've been frustrated about the lack of information I've been able to glean about how ordinary people get and experience COVID. I just read an interesting thread about a woman who got COVID while leaving her apartment almost never. People suggested ventilation in the apartment building. That's the kind of thing I want to gather into my personal database.
My closest connection with anyone who got COVID is that my granddaughter's roommate found that she had it over Christmas vacation. But no info about how she might have gotten it. Do you have first hand stories that have this kind of detail?
- How did the person find out they had COVD? The roommate just has "sniffles," so why did she get tested?
- Do they have any good hunches about how they got it?
- What were their precautions? Masks? What kind? Large gatherings? etc., etc.
TIA for contributing to my personal database.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)He had images up a while back on how multi-dwelling ventilation can spread the virus.
Dr. Ding is a Harvard epidemiologist. I have been reading his twitter for nearly 2 years. He is always WAY ahead of public health agencies on precautions & has been 100% correct.
Link:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
MichMan
(11,932 posts)Based on Dr. Ding's conclusions
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I doubt those were Dr. Ding's conclusions as he posts expert opinions from various disciplines.
If it were me, I would make a Corsi box or purchase a high powered air purifier.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)and I occasionally wear masks at home in response to known exposure of family members.
Wearing masks 24/7 (including for sleeping) is a pain - I have a hard time keeping it up for the 10-days - 2 weeks I need to when a family member has been stupid. We can't even get people to wear masks when they go out for shopping - no way is the general public going to mask indoors at home.
What I would do in that setting (and do at work) is to use an air purifier with a HEPA filter good to .3 microns running continuously.
Celerity
(43,383 posts)Covids Cassandra: The Swift, Complicated Rise of Eric Feigl-Ding
The scientist has gained popularity as Covids excitable play-by-play announcer. But some experts want to pull his plug.
https://undark.org/2020/11/25/complicated-rise-of-eric-feigl-ding/
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But as Feigl-Dings influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. Science misinformation is a huge problem right now I think we can all appreciate it [and] hes a constant source of it, said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Dings work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Dings reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. With as large of a following as he has, when he says something thats really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere, she said.
Critics point to numerous problems. Not too long after his holy mother of God tweet, for example, Feigl-Ding took to Twitter to discuss a titillating but non-peer-reviewed paper that some readers interpreted as evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a lab; once the authors retracted the pre-print, he deleted a series of tweets from the middle of the thread. In March, Feigl-Ding tweeted a CDC graph as evidence that young people were just as likely to be hospitalized as older generations, but failed to mention an important detail about the age ranges represented in the graphs bars, which didnt actually support that claim. In August, he tweeted his support for a proposition to allow people early access to a vaccine. After criticism from epidemiologists, bioethicists, doctors, and health policy experts, Feigl-Ding deleted a few tweets at the beginning of his thread, saying they were confusing and murky. (He also argued that his critics were spreading misinformation about what they think I said.) More recently, Feigl-Ding wrote a thread about coronavirus particles in flatulence, which drew criticism from researchers.
Even when his public exclamations are technically accurate, Feigl-Dings critics suggest that they too often invite misinterpretations. In a thread about the first study of a Covid-19 outbreak on an airplane, for example, Feigl-Ding failed to mention the important caveat that researchers suspected all but one case occurred before people got on the airplane. In another, Feigl-Ding appeared to summarize a Washington Post piece on a coronavirus mutation, but omitted crucial phrases including the fact that just one of the five mentioned studies was peer-reviewed. It wasnt until the sixth tweet in the thread that Feigl-Ding mentioned the important detail that the worrisome mutation doesnt appear to make people sicker, though it could make the virus more contagious. To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. [T]his is his MO, she wrote in an email. He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.
Such critiques of Feigl-Dings particular brand of Covid-19 commentary are by no means new, and previous articles in The Atlantic as far back as January, for example, New York Magazines Intelligencer in March, the Chronicle of Higher Education in April, and in The Daily Beast in May have explored questions about his expertise in epidemiology (his focus prior to Covid-19 was on nutrition) and whether his approach to public health communication is appropriate or alarmist. But as his influence has grown, and as the pandemic enters a much more worrying phase, critics have continued to debate whether Feigl-Ding, for all his enthusiasms, is doing more harm than good. Some complain that Feigl-Dings army of followers can be hateful when other scientists publicly disagree with his tweets. Others say that Feigl-Ding himself has been known to privately message his critics a tack that some found unwelcome.
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SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Celerity
(43,383 posts)Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. He is an alarmist hype-master, trafficking in panic and fear.
He was a major misinformation pusher on American telly about Sweden. He (and several other misinfo merchants) falsely said we were going for herd immunity (which I have debunked now so so many times for ages) and had no restrictions (ludicrously false) and even worse he said we were tracking to at least 150,000 to 250,000 deaths by spring/summer of 2021 and that we would have thousands upon thousands of dead schoolchildren.
For the entire pandemic we have had a total of 15,310 deaths. We have dropped from the 2nd highest deaths per million on the planet near the beginning of the pandemic to 57th (and dropping) now.
We were at 21 times the rate of deaths per million versus Norway in April 2020, now we are at 6.3 times. We were at 12 times the rate of Denmark, now at 2.7 times. 96% of deaths have been 60yo and up, almost 90% have been 70yo and up and 67% have been 80yo and up.
For the youngest half of the population (so around 5.1 million out of 10.2 million) we have had a total of 92 Covid deaths since the start of the pandemic.
For schoolchildren ages 5 to 19yo, we have had 9 deaths since the start of the pandemic.
9 school age deaths since the start versus Feigl-Dings ludicrous 'thousands upon thousands' number, and that despite most of our schools never closing, other than the majority of high schools for a spell in 2020.
Folkhälsomyndigheten (our public health authority)
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
Total deaths by age group
Cases per day (Omicron came here around the 3rd week of November)
Deaths per day (the highest on this chart is 12 on September 16th, 2021)
(the highest on this chart is 10 on December 18th, 2021)
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)What is he "selling?" I've never seen anything on his twitter.
I'm sure corporate sponsers detest him for cautioning people to distance & take precautions.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)FYI: Sniffles are THE most common presentation of COVID in a vaccinated individuals. So everyone with the sniffles should be tested.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Oddly, when I had the virus in August 2020, I had no respiratory symptoms at all. Just the wracking chills, pain, sweats, and fever.
Go figure.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)who infected her entire family because she assumed her sniffles were just allergies.
You should probably be testing on a weekly basis to make it less likely that you mistake COVID-sniffles for allergy sniffles.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Stayed in my house. A friend continued to visit because weve known each other 30:years, but she wore a mask. Her decision. She never got sick.
I was in my bedroom most of the time anyway because I was so ill. It was awful. Truly awful.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)Sore throat, fever for 2 days, cough, mild sniffles.
Three negative antigen tests and a negative PCR test. So it must have been my first flu since ~2009.
But didn't want to risk spreading it, in case it was COVID.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Really have no idea how I got it then. I was only getting deliveries for groceries, never going anywhere.
Im one of those people who never gets colds or the flu. It was a nasty surprise.
Believe you me, Im taking no chances this time around. I hate this crap.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)Employee who is cautious about mask wearing, large gatherings, etc. Her masks probably don't seal as well as they should, but she wore them consistently indoors. Vaccinated.
She had runny-nose allergies. She's been around me enough to know she needed to get tested, even though she believed it was just allergies.
She continued to share overnight care for her daughter because she believed it was allergies.
Her husband (also vaccinated) caught it from her, as did her three children (unvaccinated).
COVIDiot husband is the likely sources.
She had a "cold" which she dutifully reported to work, which told her to get tested.
She publically announced it was just a cold (while teaching remotely), quickly followed by an announcement that she was posiive.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)Coworker got his booster shot and had sniffles, cough, fever the next day and assumed it was from the booster.
Continued to circulate and expose others, but got tested when the symptoms didn't disappear after a few days. That was tough on me, since I was working with the same students I knew he was with when he started experiencing symptoms and could not tell them because my knowledge was confidential.
He swears he is careful - but I see him running to and from the bathroom on a near-daily basis without his mask. (You know - that poop water aerosolizing factory - likely one of the worst places to hang out without a mask.) I'm sure that is not the only place he went without a mask.
MichMan
(11,932 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)If you were vaccinated, exposed, and no symptoms recommended testing at 5 days but no quarantine unless positive.
If you were unvaccinated and exposed - 10 days of quarantine.
BUT . . . the contact tracing was so piss-poor that the quarantine period was often over (or nearly over) before the contacts were notified.
My employee notified everyone she was in contact with. I got a call more than 5 days after she alerted me.
The booster reaction guy did not report it for contact tracing, as far as I know. Once he made a public post on facebook, I pointed all the students I knew he was in contact with to the post
The "cold" person notified people personally. Not sure the contact tracers got involved.
The 2nd exposure for the year (not listed in this thread because I don't know how he got it) reported it to the contact tracer but informed them that they had not been in close contact with anyone for more than 15 minutes. (Reality: 6 hours within 6' of four individuals I could identify, unmasked lunch hour x 4 with unidentified individuals.) Fortuanately the contact tracer reached out to me to check the student's story. We were able to identify 4 contacts - and then because they were using a 3d party service no one recognized, I had to chase around myself all weekend to notify the exposed students that they could not attend the first day of classes unless they provided proof of vaccination over the weekend.
So - in theory, but in reality the gap between reporting and contact tracing made it nearly worthless unless "patient zero" directly contacted those they exposed.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)Friend of a friend living with ex-sister-in-law who continues to work outside the home. She likely brought it home to him.
Just transmitted it to his vaccinated (unsure about boosted) brother (our friend).
He thought it was just a cold because he was vaccinated, but finally got tested.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)StarryNite
(9,446 posts)Vaccinations weren't available at that time. She always wore a mask when out. Her husband didn't always wear a mask but he tested negative. She works in a bank where thin two layer cloth masks were supplied to them. She opened up the two layers and slipped a "good" filter inside. She had been coughing but figured it was just her seasonal allergies. But she went for a test anyway just so she could assure others that she didn't have COVID. A few hours after she took the test she lost her senses of taste and smell. The results came back positive two days later. Her only symptoms were the loss of taste and smell and maybe the cough was COVID or maybe that was just allergies. She quarantined for I think it was 10 days. When she went back to work she found out that two coworkers were also out the same time she was with COVID. She recovered most of her taste and smell but not 100%. She was vaccinated last March and boosted in November. She wears N95 masks now whenever she is at work or in other public places. They haven't had visitors in their home since March of 2020.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)...they were under the impression that they had natural immunity, and that this was more effective then vaccines. They had symptoms, which is why they got tested, but is it a little less severe the second time around.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Was negligently infected at an er, about one week before elderly living at home became eligible for vax. It destroyed his health and all of our lives. It took a year for him to die, I consider it a murder. During that time he had 10 subsequent hospital admissions/ er visits and multiple surgeries. We took care of him 24/7 and had little help with some home care. He went to the er in January, able to walk on his own with a walker, I was not allowed to go in with him to supervise, he was infected that night, he went back by ambulance a week later and came out a month later as an invalid, with stage 4 pressure sores, needing a foley, incontinence, covid caused a lot of damage including brain damage/ covid dementia, severe heart damage, bladder damage and more. The last two stays were legally wrongful death / murder with abuse of my father and myself. He died about 10 months after they infected him. We were there with him at all subsequent stays as much as possible because they forced the hospital to allow visiting after vaccines became more available. And on the phone 24/7 when we were not allowed.
He was given no treatment for covid to help him fight the virus, no antibodies etc.
The treatment was grossly negligent on many occasions and people were very abusive.
I was infected by my students at the last in person class. I had double covid pneumonia and was ill for weeks with severe pain. I am a lh now as was my father and still have pain and now heart damage. I was diagnosed at a field hospital where treatment was very limited and told not to come back unless I was near death at the real er. I also received no treatment except for inhalers and what I gave myself. I was treated again at the regular er 4 weeks later where an idiot tried to make fun of me etc. Then I had back/ chest pain, sinus tachycardia and high bp, as at the diagnosis, I was treated with fluids and tests were done. I wore masks at home all the time and isolated. When my fevers finally stopped I was allowed not to isolate. Eventually I had to get pt for the back / rib pain and wore kn95 masks everywhere never taking them off. At that point we still ordered items delivered and didnt interact in person at all.
One of my students had confirmed covid and was in hospital for a day, with the same symptoms / pneumonia as me. One was exposed, one came to class sick that last day, was right in my face and was told to leave immediately. He later said his family members had tested pos and he was not isolating at all. Another and her gf were very ill, probable covid, and were isolating, but were not tested. The student in hospital said his grandmother died as a result and another relative had lied about having covid, came to visit and infected them both.