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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 06:16 PM Jan 2022

It is sad to have to take part in this death watch for the United States Supreme Court.

In about six months, the half dozen Republican-appointed Justices of that once-respected and admired court will do what they were appointed to do: overrule ROE vs WADE and once again allow primarily old white men control the bodies of primarily young women of all colors.

Oh, to be sure, there will be all sorts of explanations for why they were "compelled" to flush the concepts of precedent and stare decisis down into the sewer of conservative hypocrisy, but it will boil down to this: they were bought and paid for---some recently, some decades ago---and they simply did what they were paid to do.

No reasonable person of conscience will truly respect the SCOTUS after the banner of ROE is slashed down by this disgusting panel of disingenuous right-wing operatives. And, no one can say just exactly what the effect will be when the shroud slips off of the "For Sale" sign outside the Supreme Court building, but the Judiciary Branch IS one of the three branches upon which our government rests.

And, we know what happens when one leg of a three-legged stool breaks.






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It is sad to have to take part in this death watch for the United States Supreme Court. (Original Post) Atticus Jan 2022 OP
They've Already Broken The Other 2 Legs Anyways SoCalDavidS Jan 2022 #1
I disagree. The Executive is in good hands. Dems control the House. The Filibuster is the bad. Tommymac Jan 2022 #6
Justice Ginsburg said the Roe v Wade decision was faulty. former9thward Jan 2022 #2
+1000 for bringing in RBG nuance Hekate Jan 2022 #3
And she was right... but... FBaggins Jan 2022 #7
With all due respect to Justice Ginsberg, her gradualism approach to abortion rights is naive. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2022 #12
THIS! OH, YES---THIS! Atticus Jan 2022 #15
It would have been much more immune from what is about to happen FBaggins Jan 2022 #16
Maybe that's why she chose to let a Republican pick her replacement. Crunchy Frog Jan 2022 #21
Agreed. TomSlick Jan 2022 #4
Yup. SCOTUS needs a fix. Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #5
Lost respect for them long ago Meowmee Jan 2022 #8
That was me, too. Bush v Gore was a travesty. BComplex Jan 2022 #18
Yep 100% Meowmee Jan 2022 #20
It seems so llashram Jan 2022 #9
hmmm Slammer Jan 2022 #10
"The conservatives are going to do what they think is right---" Really? Atticus Jan 2022 #13
whatever dude Slammer Jan 2022 #22
SCOTUS is broken just like the repuker party pbmus Jan 2022 #11
Just ignore their rulings MichMan Jan 2022 #14
Doesn't work that way FBaggins Jan 2022 #17
100% correct Ohio Joe Jan 2022 #19
Abortion is a ruse maxrandb Jan 2022 #23

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
1. They've Already Broken The Other 2 Legs Anyways
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 06:27 PM
Jan 2022

This is the last one they need to totally bring down what semblance of a Democracy remains.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
6. I disagree. The Executive is in good hands. Dems control the House. The Filibuster is the bad.
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 07:52 PM
Jan 2022

The Senate is broken due to Senate rules - notanything Constitutional.

The SC is broken iperiod. We need an amendment to fix it. No more life appointments - have a method for a Vote of 'No Confidence' by The People to force a Justice to do their job.

former9thward

(32,013 posts)
2. Justice Ginsburg said the Roe v Wade decision was faulty.
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 06:41 PM
Jan 2022

Casual observers of the Supreme Court who came to the Law School to hear Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg speak about Roe v. Wade likely expected a simple message from the longtime defender of reproductive and women’s rights: Roe was a good decision.

Those more acquainted with Ginsburg and her thoughtful, nuanced approach to difficult legal questions were not surprised, however, to hear her say just the opposite, that Roe was a faulty decision. For Ginsburg, the landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision that affirmed a woman’s right to an abortion was too far-reaching and too sweeping, and it gave anti-abortion rights activists a very tangible target to rally against in the four decades since.

Ginsburg and Professor Geoffrey Stone, a longtime scholar of reproductive rights and constitutional law, spoke for 90 minutes before a capacity crowd in the Law School auditorium on May 11 on “Roe v. Wade at 40.”

“My criticism of Roe is that it seemed to have stopped the momentum on the side of change,” Ginsburg said. She would’ve preferred that abortion rights be secured more gradually, in a process that included state legislatures and the courts, she added. Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women’s rights.

https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade-during-law-school-visit

More of her comments at the link.

FBaggins

(26,742 posts)
7. And she was right... but...
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 08:22 PM
Jan 2022

There’s almost zero chance that the upcoming ruling will put us closer to where she would have preferred

12. With all due respect to Justice Ginsberg, her gradualism approach to abortion rights is naive.
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 09:27 PM
Jan 2022

Between Roe and now, how many tens of thousands of women would have died while waiting for Republican state legislatures grant them a right they already have, the right to control their own bodies? How many more women will die in botched illegal abortions once Roe is overturned? Or SCOTUS issues a ruling which, while not overruling Roe outright, achieves that result de facto.
Would any Red state ever consider passing a law codifying the principles of Roe?

During the 2010 election the Repug battle cry was, "Work, work, work!" After they took over, it was suddenly, "Abortion, abortion, abortion!" During their first year in control of the statehouses, Republicans filed more than 1,000 anti-abortion bills -- and no jobs bills.

Currently, the Repugs control 27 state legislatures, and nearly all have laws in place that will be triggered the moment the SCOTUS overturns Roe. Most completely ban abortion in toto. Banning birth control is most likely the "pro-life" party's next goal. Gotta keep those donations flowing.

Young girls who are just reaching the age of gestation will be in menopause before anything of consequence will be done nationwide to return us to the moment just before SCOTUS issued its ruling to annihilate Roe.

Trump, Roe, Manchin, GQP. Drip-drip-drip on the way to authoritarianism.

FBaggins

(26,742 posts)
16. It would have been much more immune from what is about to happen
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 11:50 PM
Jan 2022

Could be “tens of thousands” of future women that get balanced against those in the past

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
4. Agreed.
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 07:07 PM
Jan 2022

When the Court breaks, there will be no check on rabid partisanship in the legislature and executive.

I worry the Court will never be able to repair its credibility.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
9. It seems so
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 09:10 PM
Jan 2022

I had/have hopes, yet took a large hit in 2016. Just the hate was/is enough. Add grift, crimes against humanity, the shameless boasting of a sexual predator as POTUS...and more more more. Now the SC. At least AT THIS TIME we have a POTUS for all Americans, even that loud minority of white nationalists trying to take over the government and destroy our experiment in democracy. I DO DESPAIR AND HAVE TRUE FEAR. Yet I can't believe that the decent American will be vanquished by these loudmouth sexist hate mongers. And greedy predatory capitalists.

Slammer

(714 posts)
10. hmmm
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 09:12 PM
Jan 2022

"there will be all sorts of explanations for why they were "compelled" to flush the concepts of precedent and stare decisis"

If the Supreme Court relied exclusively on "the concepts of precedent and stare decisis", Roe v Wade wouldn't have opened the gates to legalizing abortion. Because there was a ton of precedent and stare decisis in the wrong direction at the time.

So just thank God they didn't.

The conservatives are going to do what they think is right and try to find some justification for it if it doesn't comply with precedent and stare decisis just as liberal judges and justices on occasion do the same.

It could be argued that RBG made her career from forcing the courts to consider things other than precedent and stare decisis when making their decisions.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
13. "The conservatives are going to do what they think is right---" Really?
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 09:31 PM
Jan 2022

I can't say much more. "Both-siderism" always pisses me off, especially when I see it here.

Slammer

(714 posts)
22. whatever dude
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 09:35 AM
Jan 2022

I never tried to claim that they weren't completely deluded, if that's any consolation.

Having known quite a few of them over the years, I can confidently say that most of them don't wake up in the morning thinking, "How can I be evil today?"

Most of them think they're the good guys and are on the Right Side. And on the right side of history.

Weird as that might seem....



FBaggins

(26,742 posts)
17. Doesn't work that way
Sat Jan 1, 2022, 11:56 PM
Jan 2022

If they rule that the Mississippi ban is not unconstitutional… what does “ignoring” the ruling look like? What keeps Mississippi from enforcing their law? Does the president send the marines in?

maxrandb

(15,330 posts)
23. Abortion is a ruse
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 09:35 AM
Jan 2022

I knew that reproductive rights should be, and are, important to Americans of all genders. It as extremely important to every American that doesn't view women as chattel.

But to the 6 Federalist Society wingnuts on the court? They couldn't give a shit. Abortion, LGBTQ, and other "cultural" issues are nothing but a smoke screen.

Make no mistake. This 60 year, billionaire funded court packing effort has one goal, and one goal only - to tilt the court dramatically in favor of corporations and the wealthy.

If a few million women of childbearing agedie a bloody death, or a few thousand LGBTQ folks get the snot beat out of them by fascist, well, that's just an acceptable cost for lower taxes, less worker protections and minimal regulations for the corporate masters.

The wealthy fucksticks and corporations spent billions to bring us this court.

They didn't invest that kind of money for "cultural" issues.

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