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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's not about "white guilt". It's not about "retaliation".
So why DO we need to confront America's legacy of racism and genocide?
It is manifestly true that if you go back far enough in history, everyone's ancestors were oppressed by someone else's ancestors.
Doing the dirty on those we decide are "other" is one of the oldest evolutionary contributions to human survival. Stripped of all cultural context, we are programmed to ensure the survival of our children first, even those not yet born, even at the expense of others' children. If you don't survive to pass on your DNA, and your children don't live to pass it on yet again, you're an evolutionary failure.
How far back do we have to go, to find one of your ancestors enslaving one of mine? Or one of my ancestors raping and killing one of yours?
This truth has been used to justify an awful lot of denial.
Here's why the descendants of my European ancestors massacring others' Lakota ancestors outweighs my Pictish ancestors being massacred by someone else's Saxon ancestors. Or why my Briton ancestors being enslaved by someone else's Norse ancestors is outweighed by the enslavement of my neighbor's African ancestors by descendents of my European forebears:
Neither the institution of "thralldom" nor the culture of my Pictish forebears has a major role in shaping how the institutions of modern American life affect us today. (The possible exception of the Asatru revival aside, of course... but that in itself is just an effort to perpetuate the problem, isn't it?)
America's culture and ALL of our social institutions - churches, education systems, economy, entertainment, even our sense of what is and isn't allowable in how we treat other people - are shaped by the actions of the mostly-Europeans who muscled onto this continent for their own profit. They brought along their disregard for the value of any kind of human being except those like themselves. And upon this, they founded a nation.
And, before anyone starts whining about me being a traitor to the White Race >gag< let me stipulate that yes, those patriarchal racist Europeans had a lot of ideas that were both good and even, yes, revolutionary, about constructing a nation to produce liberty and justice for all who looked like them, anyway.
Yep, there's a lot of good stuff in John Locke, and the Enlightenment movement generally, and even in those Greek and Roman and early Christian Fathers who wrote about how we should be treating one another and how our societies should handle issues of fairness and opportunity and various knotty problems of Getting Along With Each Other. And those white male Founding Fathers faithfully absorbed it and transferred their understanding of those ideas into the writings that shaped our Constitution and founding documents.
They built a pretty amazing state, okay, maybe even a Shining City on a Hill. For white male property owners, anyway.
But...
What ideas did they NOT include? The writings of Lao Tzu, of Maimonides, of ibn Habash Suhrawardi? The great oral traditions passed along by the Sachem of the Haudenosaunee? A vast body of human knowledge was outside their experience and understanding.
The assumptions of manifest destiny, the patriarchal structure of Christian denominational doctrine, the inherent belief that only people with white skin and penises are fully capable of actuating the nation-state's power structure, were BAKED INTO America along with the inspiring truths of the Founding Fathers' rhetoric.
But to them, "All men are created equal" really meant MEN. Men like them. This was perhaps the biggest tip-off of all. Not "all people" and certainly not "all peoples". And they built their palladian mansions on the Potomac from the profits of human bondage.
People who wanted to be good, doing evil things.
Their noble intentions and beneficent accomplishments make it all the harder to renounce that evil.
But America will never fully realize the stunning breadth of their vision - a breadth they themselves were unaware of - until WE, their physical, spiritual, and moral descendants, undo their evil.
All of us. But especially those of us they endowed, not with "certain unalienable rights" but certain unalienable PRIVILEGES, so intrinsic to skin color, gender identity, and cultural heritage that many of us are no more aware of them than a fish is of water.
We cannot build the America of the future without coming to terms not only with the America of the past, but the present shaped by that past. We cannot "see" the present with a full 360-degree view, unless we allow the visions of those who have other experiences of America into the picture. We cannot hear and learn from all of American history without listening to the voices of those who had those experiences.
We are not fully "America" until those who suffered from the truncated, incomplete understanding of "liberty and justice for all" are as fully a part of the narrative as those whose forebears meted out that suffering.
It is not about "punishing" white people for the actions of previous generations. It is not about making us feel guilt, or shame.
It is about giving us the gift of sight beyond a narrow vision circumscribed by what we have excluded, until now. It is about giving us the gift of learning and understanding a definition of 'human' that encompasses much more than we have allowed ourselves to imagine. And yes, that will involve some pain, and discomfort. Maybe even some shame and regret.
But let's circle back, now, to the reality that all of our ancestors have done horrible things to the ancestors of those different from themselves. That human inheritance is with us all. Not to deny or escape, but to transcend. We can do this.
And we must, if we are to survive.
determinedly,
Bright
IbogaProject
(2,815 posts)Solid essay, thank you.
Happy New Year.
It is important we both do deep dives, as our points are nuanced. And we have to work on our sound bites.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)malaise
(268,998 posts)Have you read Charles Mills The Racial Contract.
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TygrBright
(20,760 posts)Celerity
(43,371 posts)Charles W. Mills, Philosopher of Race and Liberalism, Dies at 70
He argued that white supremacy was a feature of the Western political tradition, and that racism represented a political system as intentional as liberal democracy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/us/charles-w-mills-dead.html
Charles W. Mills, a London-born, Jamaican-raised philosopher whose incisive criticism of liberalism and race both foreshadowed and framed contemporary debates about white supremacy and structural racism, died on Sept. 20 in Evanston, Ill. He was 70. The cause was cancer, The Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where he taught, said in announcing his death.
Dr. Mills argued that racism played a central role in shaping the liberal political tradition, a system that, he said, supposedly valued individual rights and yet for too long excluded women, the working class and people of color. He swung for the fences, writing critiques of Plato, the American political theorist John Rawls, a contemporary of Dr. Mills, and everyone in between.
He was one of the most important philosophers ever to treat race and racism as their primary subject, Chike Jeffers, a professor of philosophy at Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and a former student of Dr. Millss, said in a phone interview. He did so much to move the field forward, and to get people excited about thinking about race and racism.
Dr. Mills established himself as a leading critic of Western political theory with his first book, The Racial Contract (1997). In it he argued that white supremacy, far from being a bug in the Western political tradition, was one of its features, and that racism represented a political system every bit as coherent and intentional as liberal democracy. White supremacy is the unnamed political system that has made the modern world what it is today, he wrote in the books first sentence.
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Charles Mills on Rawlsian Ideal Theory and Race
https://s-usih.org/2014/11/charles-mills-on-rawlsian-ideal-theory-and-race/
One of the many blogs that I try to keep up with but will often forget to read is The Stone. One of the Opinionator blogs at the New York Times, The Stone is a forum for contemporary philosophers and other thinkers on issues both timely and timeless. On the off chance that you dont already know about it, I highly recommend it to readers of this blog; if you like what we do, youll probably be interested in what gets posted there.
This morning, a number of Facebook friends of mine, including Annette Gordon Reed and John Protevi, linked to a fascinating interview, published on The Stone, that George Yancy, professor of philosophy at Duquesne University, conducted with Charles Mills, the John Evans Professor of Moral and Intellectual Philosophy at Northwestern University. The second in a series of interviews with philosophers on the issue of race, Yancys interview with Mills deals substantially with the history of political philosophy and raises questions that are of potentially great interest to U.S. intellectual historians. The interview is both rich and fairly short, so I wont try summarizing the whole thing. Readers should check it out for themselves. But I did want to quote at length one point Mills makes about political philosophy in general, and Rawlsian liberalism in particular, which I found especially interesting and significant:
You have a historically white discipline in the United States, about 97 percent white demographically (and its worse in Europe), with no or hardly any people of color to raise awkward questions; you have a disciplinary bent towards abstraction, which in conjunction with the unrepresentative demographic base facilitates idealizing abstractions that abstract away from racial and other subordinations (this is Onora ONeills insight from many years ago); you have a Western social justice tradition that for more than 90 percent of its history has excluded the majority of the population from equal consideration (see my former colleague Samuel Fleischackers A Short History of Distributive Justice, which demonstrates how recent the concept actually is); and of course you have norms of professional socialization that school the aspirant philosopher in what is supposed to be the appropriate way of approaching political philosophy, which over the past 40 years has been overwhelmingly shaped by Rawlsian ideal theory, the theory of a perfectly just society.
Rawls himself said in the opening pages of A Theory of Justice that we had to start with ideal theory because it was necessary for properly doing the really important thing: non-ideal theory, including the pressing and urgent matter of remedying injustice. But what was originally supposed to have been merely a tool has become an end in itself; the presumed antechamber to the real hall of debate is now its main site. Effectively, then, within the geography of the normative, ideal theory functions as a form of white flight. You dont want to deal with the problems of race and the legacy of white supremacy, so, metaphorically, within the discourse of justice, you retreat from any spaces worryingly close to the inner cities and move instead to the safe and comfortable white spaces, the gated moral communities, of the segregated suburbs, from which they become normatively invisible.
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Charles W. Mills on Rejecting Rawls and Decolonizing Western Political Philosophy
https://alexsager.com/2016/10/12/charles-w-mills-on-rejecting-rawls-and-decolonizing-western-political-philosophy/
Anglo-American political philosophy students of my generation were socialized into a world where John Rawls reigned. We were taught a grand narrative in which political philosophy had all but disappeared in the 20th century. In 1971, John Rawls Theory of Justice appeared, freeing political philosophy from oblivion and pushing it into the future. Theory of Justice put to pasture utilitarianism which was too eager to encourage the violation of rights and libertarians to promote utility. In the process, it gave rise to Robert Nozicks revival of libertarianism and to the communitarian responses of Michael Sandel, Alasdair MacIntyre, and Charles Taylor. Eventually, philosophers such as Charles Beitz and Thomas Pogge extended the Rawlsian framework to questions of global justice.
Advanced undergraduates and graduate students with any ambition to work in the political philosophy had to spend hundreds of hours parsing the subtleties of Theory of Justice, Rawls own revisionary tome in Political Liberalism, and taking seriously Law of Peoples (a work that would have been justly ignored if it had been written by anyone other than John Rawls). (Rawls genius is attested to by the fact that it is possible to spend hundreds of hours absorbed in his texts.) Like so many others from my generation and the preceding generation, I immersed myself in the Rawlsian scripture (with its commentaries on commentaries on the subtleties of the system). Inspired by Joseph Carens Rawlsian arguments for open borders, I wrote a dissertation on the ethics of immigration largely inspired by Rawls liberal egalitarianism.
When I was writing my dissertation, I began to feel something was wrong. The Rawlsian framework didnt easily translate to what I thought were the central issues surrounding migration: racism, colonialism, social stratification, patriarchy, and state violence. I thought and do think that freedom of movement is a fundamental right and that borders controls are far too restrictive. I also believe that immigration has largely laudable distributive effects and anyone genuinely concerned with distributive justice should advocate more migration. Nonetheless, freedom of movement and equality do little to capture the plight of refugees excluded by state violence from seeking asylum, unaccompanied refugee children trapped in the soon to be demolished Callais, or the banal horrors of Australias offshore detention. (I develop some of these worries in The Refugee Crisis and the Responsibility of Intellectuals.)
A combination of a tendency to resist academic socialization (possibly a result of feeling a bit out of place after growing up in a libertarian environment in Northern Canada) and exposure to other works led me to look elsewhere. My advisor Kai Nielsen introduced me to the Analytic Marxian writers (he also introduced me to Rawls and Habermas as an undergraduate) which in turn led me to read Marx. Also, in graduate school at the University of Calgary Elizabeth Brake assigned Charles W. Mills The Racial Contract to one of my office mates, leading me to read the essays in Blackness Visible: Essays on Philosophy and Race and From Class to Race: Essays in White Marxism and Black Radicalism and eventually ponder Mills Ideal Theory as Ideology.
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Charles Mills Thinks Liberalism Still Has a Chance
A wide-ranging conversation with the philosopher on the white supremacist roots of liberal thought, Bidens victory, and Trumpism without Trump.
https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/charles-mills-thinks-theres-still-time-to-rescue-liberalism/
Arguably no contemporary scholar has thought more deeply about how liberalism as a political tradition and philosophy has been historically and structurally biased towards the socioeconomic interests of white people than the political philosopher Charles W. Mills. In works such as The Racial Contract and Black Rights/White Wrongs, he has sought to show the reality of an ongoing system of white domination in which liberalismboth as a philosophy and as a system of governanceis complicit. Mills traces the problem back to the origins of modern liberalism, when liberals thinkers such as Kant and Locke limited the question of moral and political equality to whites, at the same time that European powers were enslaving and oppressing nonwhite peoples.
Millss work aims to study liberalism not merely as a theory of equality or freedom, but as an actual practice, one whose history demonstrates an across-the-board pattern of unjust systemic white advantage. In this sense, he argues, contemporary liberalism itself is beholden to white supremacy, not as a racial ideology but as a long-standing political system of white racial domination.
To what degree are contemporary liberal philosophers still beholden to what he terms the racial contract? Can liberalism break itself free from its long history of racial and economic inequality? And does not liberals advocacy for Black Lives Matter, their resistance against the nativism of Donald Trump, and their support of Joe Biden prove this? To answer these questions, I spoke with Mills about the Biden presidency, the enduring legacy of racial contract theory, and the events at the US Capitol on January 6.
CHARLES W. MILLS: The racial contract as a concept is an attempt to bring race and white supremacy into discussions within mainstream political theory. Social contract theory (going back to Kant, Hobbes, Locke, and others) has been central to modern Western political thought. It proposes that we imagine social and political institutions as if they were contractually created by equal men in a pre-sociopolitical stage (the state of nature). But there are at least two problems. To begin with, the men in the writings of the classic theorists really are male, and they seem pretty white also. And second, while this metaphor might work for genuinely egalitarian social orders, like premodern hunter-gatherer societies, what about oppressive modern societies? Where is there any conceptual room in such a picture for representing gender and racial domination in the modern period?
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malaise
(268,998 posts)and were part of the UWI campus children families. His dad was one of my mentors. Charles Jr. was a genius. The Racial Contract called it ages ago. He said he got the idea for the book. after reading Patemans classic The Sexual Contract.
And thanks for your excellent and informative post on Charles work.
Celerity
(43,371 posts)a true visionary for setting out guideposts for us PoC in our quest for true equality, justice, AND socio-political equity/capital.
I have some relatives who work at UWI-Cave Hill in Bim, and had a fellow classmate in London who transferred from UWI-Mona. He would always try to nyam up mummie's cooking if I took it for lunch, especially the cou cou and fish. lolol. He always promised me some real pimento wood smoked jerk pork, but never did deliver, grrr.
malaise
(268,998 posts)I run into his brother every now and then. Both parents are long gone. Had a few dinners at the family home back in the day.
Hope you get that promised meal.
Celerity
(43,371 posts)And I will get that damn jerk pork from Delroy (eyeroll, ya jus know deh boy a yardie wit dat name, lol) one of these bloody years! He got married and stayed in the UK, last time we talked he was still in the greater London area, so easy hunting him down when I am back home.
malaise
(268,998 posts)Insofar as liberal democracies are ostensibly committed to transparency as a central political norm, the uprising had the virtue of revealing the politics of exclusionary white power beneath the liberal facade. Black Americans in particular, of course, have always been subjected to this politics, which is why historically they have been the most consistent in condemning and sounding the alarm about it. But its the protesters against racial injustice who are met with riot police and tear gas while the take-America-back folks get the welcome mat, thereby further underlining the point.
I am hoping for serious consequences for those at the top, but punishment so far supports Charles position.
Celerity
(43,371 posts)Eurocentric liberal model of justice espoused by Rawls and 1,000 others. He tried a lonely path far too often. MLK had it bang on nailed as well, when he talked about white moderates.
I would have LOVED to have seen Mills debate Lil' Gunny Boebert and/or Empty G on CRT or just race relations in general. They would have been left in a steaming pile of pig 🐖 dung. Hell, Ted Cruz and Hawley or Tom Cotton, just to raise the stakes.
malaise
(268,998 posts)That would have been a comedy show.
Charles told us why they fear CRT- its the path to a new world order without white supremacy as the lynchpin. The establishment racists are terrified.
It would have been a verbal nuclear destruction.
love_katz
(2,579 posts)Additionally: maybe if people look far enough into the past, and think about how their ancestors felt when oppression and violence was done to them, they can understand why we must work today to change the systems which perpetuate oppression, violence, and injustice. Europe inherited the diseases of Empire and power over from the invading Roman legions. Rome inherited the same disease from their conquerors. And so on, back through history. As you so excellently pointed out, what is needed is to acknowledge which groups are most hurt by our current system, so the work of rectifying the injustices can be done. Denying the existence of injustice prevents us from fixing the problems. You said it much better than I did.
PatrickforB
(14,574 posts)the horrors of slavery and genocide, talk about them, and put policies in place that ensure that all people are in fact treated equally before the law, in the education system and in the rest of our society.
And then, yes, we can become that shining light on the hill.
Ah, but how to get rid of the capitalist greed built into our current system of shareholder primacy (profits over people)? How indeed. Because until we hold all stakeholders equally important in corporate governance, and get rid of corporate corruption in our national and state political systems, then we will continue to cover up our light with the proverbial bushel basket.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)The dirty little secret is suburban voters will tell the polls they are woke on sexuality and race, but they are not when it really comes down to it. Suburbanites cringe when 2 guys kiss on Hallmark channel, and they were seething in VA when Repugs told them their kids were being taught being white is bad and kids were born without genders.
Every single thing in that essay is great, but has no chance of ever being implemented because we are about to take a ton of steps backwards in this country. 2022 will be a slaughter of epic proportions.
Go look at newspapers all over the country online....constant how crime is out of control in blue areas, how inflation is out of control, how the borders are a mess, how Biden administration messed up with testing for a year now.
We have lost the messaging on every issue. Even the trans college swimmer has been turned into effective messaging by Repugs, how suburban girls will now have to compete and have no chance. Same on race, how suburban kids are being told they should pay for what their ancestors did.
Its working, and it is working great. VA was a test and the strategy has been honed for midterms.
People mostly care about what they see directly affecting them and theirs. Do you see crazy protests as abortion access goes away? Nope. Suburbanites could not give a dang, they do not see it affecting them or their kids.
Sorry, it is what it is, we are heading towards very dark times at the voting booth, and along with it the turning back of progress on all sorts of civil rights.
electric_blue68
(14,896 posts)We can never know for sure how unexpected events can swerve own singular lives, local, state, country, international experiences, and existence.
It does look daunting(!!!!), I'll give you that.
But "it ain't over, till it's over
And there are still many moving pieces.
We got crushed in the 2010 and 2012 midterms when Obama was President. Biden may have saved us from Trump, but he's not the charismatic, dynamic, generational personality that Obama is.
Everything is against us in 2022, midterms, a do-nothing congress full of Dems, voter suppression laws, and highly motivated Trumpers.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)Takket
(21,568 posts)i'm serious.
In all likelihood, the GOP, bolstered but what happened in the VA gov race, is going to run on CRT in the 2022 midterms. They know they cannot run on policy so they always whip America into a frenzy with culture wars. It's been gays, trans persons, confederate monuments, now it is CRT.
These essay is exactly the kind of thing Democrats need to be responding to the anti-CRT rhetoric with. If we just back away from the topic, they will crush us.
electric_blue68
(14,896 posts)All my grandparents arrived in the ?quite late 1890s early 1900s.
I actually know some one (a letter writing, later on line friendship) who can trace their roots back to Pre-USA as a country, but here ancestors practically to the earliest arrivals. I was like "whaaaa?!".
My mom as a 1s gen white American really noticed the discrepency between how she was treated and the nice African-Americans she'd interact with personally and on the larger scale both in The South, and here in The North/NYC.
She taught me. Then I learned to teach myself.
I learned about Native American history , too.
Occasionally it's been uncomfortable. I've tried since I was in my teens to do my part to foster ever more justice, and equality. I'll do my best to continue that aspect of my life in various ways.
Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)Thanks for the thread TygrBright.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)There's no group that has all the answers, that's for sure. But with patience and humility we can help each other become better citizens and better people.
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts).... still happening and not in the past.
Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)Very well done.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)Lately I have limited listening or reading white voices, even the best of them, in favor of listening or reading to people with the lived experience of being othered by whiteness (which encompasses a great deal)
I plan to spend this year reading only books by people of color. Especially women of color. Ive done this before, and it changes me every time.
Its good for white people to discuss these things, but when I see pushback on the historical horror of colonialism and the societal structure of whiteness, the time for discussion is long past. We are out of time.