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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWas Charles deGaulle an authoritarian, a generic strong man, or small d democrat?
What's his true legacy?
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)He was mentioned in a few passages or chapters of Nigel Hamilton's FDR at War trilogy. It was all FDR could do to cajole, beg, flatter deGaulle into a photo op when they met whereever it was. It took every stretch of truth, hairsplitting, vivisection of policy and protocol. But FDR got it done. He didn't have a high opinion of the man. My sense is deGaulle was a bit pompous.
So to answer your question, I don't think any of those categories fit. He considered himself the natural entitled leader of the French nation. I've probably opined on more than I know about this subject.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The results may be more accurate than those you will get here.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)There is a new biography out on him that is good.
"The Lion of France"
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)ShazamIam
(2,571 posts)but haven't read any biographies and only know what I have read in other books of his times both WWII and after.
Have you read the book, if so what do you think?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Here's an article on it
Lion of France
A new, and likely definitive, biography of Charles de Gaulle
https://www.city-journal.org/charles-de-gaulle#:~:text=Lion%20of%20France%3A%20A%20new,biography%20of%20Charles%20de%20Gaulle
Celerity
(43,372 posts)The term emerged in the post-war era to describe the economic policies of France which included substantial state-directed investment, the use of indicative economic planning to supplement the market mechanism and the establishment of state enterprises in strategic domestic sectors. It coincided with both the period of substantial economic and demographic growth known as the Trente Glorieuses which followed the war, and the slowdown beginning with the 1973 oil crisis.
In France
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirigisme#In_France
Post-war French governments, from whichever political side, generally sought rational, efficient economic development, with the long-term goal of matching the highly developed and technologically advanced economy of the United States. The development of French dirigisme coincided with the development of meritocratic technocracy: the École Nationale d'Administration supplied the state with high-level administrators, while leadership positions in industry were staffed with Corps of Mines state engineers and other personnel trained at the École Polytechnique.
During the 19451975 period, France experienced unprecedented economic growth (5.1% on average) and a demographic boom, leading to the coinage of the term Trente Glorieuses (the "Glorious Thirty [years]" ).
Dirigisme flourished under the conservative governments of Charles de Gaulle and Georges Pompidou. In those times, the policy was viewed as a middle way between the American policy of little state involvement and the Soviet policy of total state control. In 1981, Socialist president François Mitterrand was elected, promising greater state enterprise in the economy; his government soon nationalised industries and banks. However, in 1983 the initial bad economic results forced the government to renounce dirigisme and start the era of rigueur ("rigour" ). This was primarily due to the Inflation of the French Franc and the Keynesian policies taken by François Mitterrand. Dirigisme has remained out of favour with subsequent governments, though some of its traits remain.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)He was a bit pompous and nationalist, but he believed in government by the people.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You can't compare our pre-Trump history to France's history but I would add the Trump era has reordered all existing relationships for the worse. Our democracy has always been flawed but there is a not insignificant number of Americans who don't believe in rule by the people.
ShazamIam
(2,571 posts)Sometimes those parts were strongly aligned with similar interests within the U.S. I don't think I can rely on U.S. reporting and U.S. interests backed books to be a balanced source.
I do hold France responsible for holding the U.S. & NATO to the agreement to support their continued colonization of Vietnam as the other EU powers were surrendering their colonial holdings to independence.
RFCalifornia
(440 posts)He was an imperialist as well - he tried like hell to keep France's colonies
But he fought the Nazis and fought to keep France a democratic republic
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)A huge blindspot for both men.
RFCalifornia
(440 posts)It took Harold Macmillan to get the gears turning in terms of decolonization
nevergiveup
(4,760 posts)That is all I got on De Gaulle.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If my memory is correct during the Cuban Missile Crisis Adlai Stevenson offered to show France satellite images of Soviet missiles in Cuba. deGaulle said that wasn't necessary, that America's word was good enough.
Turbineguy
(37,331 posts)very much unlike trump.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)left quietly. I don't think he was in power in the 50s so had nothing to do with Viet Nam, I think. He was called back to power to deal with a disastrous colonial war in Algeria and once in power ended French involvement pretty quickly. Wasn't that what The Day of the Jackal was about? French generals unhappy that he would grant Algeria independence?
I read his three volume autobiography which covered the years right up to his being voted out of office right after WW II. It made for interesting reading. He pretty much single handedly tried to restore French honor after its disastrous defeat in the Spring of 1940. FDR detested him but I've come to the conclusion he was a great man.
He deeply believed that his own destiny was tied up with the greater destiny of France.
PS: Not sure what he thought of JFK but he adored Jackie.
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Charles de Gaulle was perhaps the most thoughtful and impressive statesman of the twentieth century. His only possible rival in this regard is Winston Churchill, another statesman-thinker, though Churchill presided over a longstanding, stable, and free political order in the United Kingdom, something on which de Gaulle could not depend in the French case.
De Gaulle has been the subject of fine biographies in the past, among them a somewhat mythologizing three-volume work by Jean Lacouture, a well-researched but less than sympathetic account by Eric Roussel (who clearly prefers the supranationalist Jean Monnet to de Gaulles passionate partisanship for the nation), and a more popular and readable account in English by Jonathan Fenby.
Added to these now is this superb and equitable portrait by the British historian of twentieth-century France, Julian Jackson.
Full article
https://www.city-journal.org/charles-de-gaulle#:~:text=Lion%20of%20France%3A%20A%20new,biography%20of%20Charles%20de%20Gaulle