This is evil

[bigtree]

Joe Manchin to reengage with BBB talks — if Dems kill the enhanced child tax credit, or drastically limit it.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is open to reengaging on the climate and child care provisions in President Biden's Build Back Better agenda if the White House removes the enhanced child tax credit from the $1.75 trillion package — or dramatically lowers the income caps for eligible families, people familiar with the matter tell Axios.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-manchin-new-play-2cb59ff0-1577-44bf-81a4-a0d72b7e9be2.html

Link to tweet

[question everything]

1. Just get it pass. We need to show more accomplishments before campaigns start

[LakeArenal]

2. So do it. Let's get through 2022. Then slam it again.

[bigtree]

4. I'm old enough to remember when he pretended other things he had taken out would gain his vote

...but, yeah, let's bend for another hit on people without yachts, paid health care, nannies, or government pension funds in the hope this Democratic millionaire will support his party and president.

Still not clear how much he's going to hurt working families. Or is he just proposing a poison pill to put progressive members on the back foot, trying to make them responsible for the failure of legislation he's already cut in HALF, never intending to let this bill pass?

Is this just political housekeeping for his reputation? Wants clean hands as he lets the bill go down?

Progressive members will likely call his bluff. I'd bet he's not done trying to kill the bill because of the climate provisions which rile his coal buds.

[LakeArenal]

5. I guess I have never been an all or nothing person.

If the legislation is halved, then half as many millions of people will have to wait until 2023. But half the millions will be helped.

[bigtree]

7. I don't believe its a serious proposal

...and one that steps on more legislators than may be apparent.

Hell, even Mitt Romney supports the ECTC. But here we are, whittling people's economic security away at the whim of a millionaire Democrat.

I'll believe manchin when I see his vote. I don't believe he's sincere.

[PortTack]

8. This..if anything, he thinks he can make President Biden look bad because in the end ppl will

Forget it was this ahole that set those limits...not the president

[LakeArenal]

9. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Can't know til you know.

Sometimes you have to put your trust in a President.

[bigtree]

10. that trust isn't a zero sum proposition

...I'm not so much of a Democratic party member, as much as I'm an aging worker.

I fully understand that politicians, even the ones we vote for and support, can be forced by political circumstances to compromise. I accept those for that they are, political compromises.

Still, the reality of that very political process demands vigilance, but, more importantly, a progressive agenda depends on more than the compromises a president might make to advance ideals and initiatives through the legislature. As it's said, power concedes nothing without pressure, and most of that must come from the electorate, and not just at the voting booth.

I trust that Pres, Biden will do what it takes to get his legislation passed. I'm just as certain that I'll be challenged to continue to pressure that political process from without to carry forward with whatever they leave out of those agreements.

What I'm less sure of is Manchin's sincerity here. I think he's just trying to save himself the political hit he's ready to take for blocking the bill by trying to put the onus on progressives with this stab at the heart of Pres. Biden's signature initiative. There's a lot of pride at the WH over the initiative, and they were looking to extend it far into the future. This may well be a stab at the president's political prestige, as well.

I mean, where did this newfound need and desire to kick working families come from? I thought Manchin's main concern was the climate change provisions in BBB. I'd guess that'll be his next bill-killing complaint.

[Septua]

11. So do it and move on...

..to H.R. 1.

[alphafemale]

3. Child tax credit can be lowered drastically from $200K

There is lots of wiggle room there

[Celerity]

6. +1

[we can do it]

14. Agreed

[cally]

12. Take the deal and save the planet

It is our last chance to do this

[Ani Yun Wiya]

13. Boy needs someone to...

...teach this guy how to eat coal.

[dalton99a]

15. .

[Mr.Bill]

16. Give him what he wants and

he'll want something else tomorrow. He's been doing this for months, and when he's not doing it, his tag-team partner Sinema is.