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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'Think Progress' Smears BRAD BLOG Coverage of Voting Machine Concerns as 'Conspiracy Theory'
To be frank, while it's no secret that the Center for American Progress has always been an outside extension of the Democratic Party, their important blog site, Think Progress, has served as a crucial, and journalistically sound fact-checker on the excesses, inaccuracies and blatant fabrications of the Right over the past several years.
I have been more than happy to cite their excellent work on a number of fronts over the years and take no pleasure in calling them, their new Senior Editor Judd Legum, and one of their writers, Aviva Shen, out here on The BRAD BLOG for an egregious and, frankly, outrageous journalistic failure.
It is one thing to make an error. We all do it. It is quite another thing indeed --- and what, in my opinion, separates real journalists from hacks --- when, once called out with independently fact-based and verifiable evidence of those errors, one sticks to the original error come what may.
That's exactly what Legum and Think Progress have decided to do, as the email discussion between Legum and me illustrates below...
Continues here: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9653
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Those alleged 'conspiracies' have resulted in real world convictions for election fraud. The reason Brad reports these things is not to discourage voting, but to get better verification. Screw 'em.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)And as far as Think Progress are concerned, it's very disappointing to have to say "screw 'em", as I've been visiting their site for years, but I'm 100% behind Brad Blog on this one.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Evoting was all they talked about.
Ian62
(604 posts)There have been lots of studies done, loads of articles about it and even one or two court cases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Democracy
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/diebold-voting-machines-hacked-with-10-in-parts/
A quick google search
https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=hacking+voting+machine&oq=hacking+voting+machine&gs_l=hp.3..0j0i7i30l2j0i30j0i5i30j0i8i30.165282.166679.2.168484.8.8.0.0.0.0.115.711.4j4.8.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.qJIUNdrTmdE&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=4a762d82895734c9&bpcl=35466521&biw=1024&bih=587
One of the court cases
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2750/blowing_the_whistle_on_diebold/
CNN - it only takes 1 minute to hack a voting machine
It's not as if it is a partisan issue - both sides of the aisle agree.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/09/30/researchers-hack-voting-machine-for-26/#ixzz1ZRqR9Unf (Beware this link is from Fox.)
states with electronic voting
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/
The US vote counting system is one of the least secure systems in the entire world.
Even Venezuela has a more secure and less prone to fraud system.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Thanks for the link.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:06 AM - Edit history (1)
election theft.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)kooljerk666
(776 posts)That might be a good place to question him.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)kooljerk666
(776 posts)I just figured that out as I was watching Bill Press this AM, some guy named Boris was on this AM, he works with Judd Legum.
Bill is playing on DVR and am an hour behind so too late to try to call & I do not know enuff about the issue to be an effective PIA.
I will by next Tuesday though.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)kooljerk666
(776 posts)are on my mind.........
ejbr
(5,856 posts)They called me a conspiracy theorist because I did not have the proof that the voting machine patent laws prevents anyone from getting. Since you can't prove it, it's a conspiracy. One would think that intelligent people might consider that this is part of the thieves' plans!
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)unfortunately we were right.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)"The rigged machines myth is not only distracting, but harms the effort to get out the vote. Conservative groups have been promoting vote suppression tactics for a reason: votes count. In Ohio, for instance, despite the Republican Partys best efforts to restrict early voting hours, voter turnout is on pace to surpass 2008, with Obama leading among people who have already voted. Spreading the myth that the system is so corrupt that these votes dont matter tells voters they may as well sit out the election."
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/22/1059171/why-romney-isnt-rigging-the-voting-machines/
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)for not looking at the problem. You'll "harm the effort to get out the vote." I doubt it. What it does is bury the whole issue and is a disservice to the voters--they need to know what to look out for esp if they vote by touchscreen.
PLEASE GET A COPY of the latest (Nov) "Harpers" -- an article "How to Rig An Election" is absolutely the best current article out there about the whole issue. I think you'll change your mind.
http://harpers.org/blog/2012/10/an-excerpt-from-how-to-rig-an-election/
ALSO -- http://election.democraticunderground.com/10021571994
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I think the disservice is stating that something like this *is* happening without proof. Especially since those machines are only being used in 2 counties.
In addition, the TP piece goes on to discuss the idea that it can distract from other suppression and cheating tactics.
Again, I agree with TP.
And... on edit: I don't think anyone is saying 'don't look!', only... don't publicly state it's happening without proof. There's a difference.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Go here and look at the map:
http://verifiedvoting.org/
A BILLION was spent (so-called Help America Vote Act--2002) to bring UN-verified, UNreliable, vote-switching, Republican manufactured, secret "proprietary" coded DRE touchscreen voting to America. They are being replaced completely in Maryland, as they have been in Germany and Ireland--in favor of ye olde paper optiscan. But they are still in use across the country. Check the map.
The issue is RELATED to suppression and cheating tactics--you know, election rigging is a multi-pronged strategy--helped out by the Dem party as well-- as you illustrate.
PLEASE--just READ the Harpers article--that is ALL I ask.
--And then, after that I would suggest Bradblog and the DU Election Reform forum--but the Harpers article gives it to you in a nutshell.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)when you have more time. It might come in handy if we have any more FL or OH scenarios then. Be prepared.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Thanks
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)yep, you get out there and GOTV.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)GOTV won't matter if corporations and party operatives count our vote.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)which is a lot less than the number of votes stolen in every election.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Thx.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Not unless someone in on the game rolls and even then there will be excuses to protect the system.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)That was rhetorical.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)the anecdotal posts right here on DU since early voting began that are saying they saw their votes changed?
reusrename
(1,716 posts)And that's really the point, isn't it?
And, the liars at Think Progress not only know that they are lying, they don't care.
Do you even understand what they are lying about?
They accuse Brad Blog of making a certain claim, a certain claim that Brad Blog has, in fact, never made. And they KNOW that Brad Blog has never made such a claim.
When any member of the press projects an opinion onto another member of the press, an opinion that is false, an opinion that the other person has never claimed to hold, in fact, an opinion that the other member has specifically denied holding, then that is always a very nasty bit of business.
This is bad, very bad. Evil, I would say. I stand firmly with Brad Blog in their fight against evil.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Well I guess Brad Friedman is used to that treatment. He's been dealing with The Elephant in the Room for a long time--since 2000 at least. He's well-respected and his work is solid.
Brad
Yeah --even progressives DON'T want to acknowledge that we are "working against ourselves" --if we don't address the myriad ways that our election process is compromised.
Our system is severely compromised --and increasingly, under Republican control.
Blue Owl
(50,514 posts)Didn't they get their talking points fax?
flamingdem
(39,331 posts)addressed? We have to be able to look into it and not be called conspiracy theorists, that's a cheap shot. If it's not an issue then lay out exact technical proof and guarantees.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)legislators try to introduce bills to return to paper ballots? They could have tried and been filibustered.
If not, let's hope we get a Democratic majority again that will eliminate unverifiable electronic voting with machines with proprietary code owned by private companies who have declared allegiance to the Republican Party.
Now is not the time.
But January 2009 was the time.
And January 2013 will be the time again.