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malaise
(275,187 posts)Fuck the Slobfather and his ReTHUG goons. Lock them up!
In reality the STEAL was promoted and perpetuated by the criminal in chief, the Slobfather.
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True Blue American
(18,096 posts)And now those who are still trying to cheat are forcing Congress to pass a Voting Rights Bill.
The Supreme Court is too weak to act!
malaise
(275,187 posts)Dems have to fix it.
True Blue American
(18,096 posts)Unlimited money. Too weak to stand up for voting rights. He and the Court are puppets..
Thomas wife provided transportation for the rioters.
malaise
(275,187 posts)The. Truth
Celerity
(46,154 posts)filibuster for the Voter Rights/Protections Bills.
mahina
(18,636 posts)The voting rights bills, John Lewis bill is designed to protect the right to vote nationwide. The state by state effort to reduce the right to vote are the risk.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The Roux Comes First
(1,402 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,639 posts)Iowa caucus, FFS!!
thesquanderer
(12,239 posts)The only question is whether or not he really believes it. How much of this perspective is his being deceitful vs. how much is narcissism to the point of mental illness is debatable.
Quakerfriend
(5,542 posts)Michael Cohen said that he knows all of his lies are untrue.
AngryOldDem
(14,148 posts)Man has absolutely no moral compass or sense of shame.
It still incenses me that nobody did their due diligence by looking into this man and all his shadiness back in 2015. Rumors have dogged him since the 1970s, for chrissakes. He probably could not have withstood the pressure, and would have dropped out. But he was a novelty, a joke candidate who certainly wouldnt last through primary season. Remember that?
I do.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)And the misogyny of this nation plus the 30 years of FOX/Limbaugh toxin helped the stars align for such an unfit incompetent snakeoil salesman.
niyad
(117,904 posts)Celerity
(46,154 posts)True Blue American
(18,096 posts)For a lot of this. They jumped in with both feet promoting him. Even today they refuse to give Biden credit for anything. MSNBC is the worst. They are now easing off since their ratings have dropped like a rock!
AngryOldDem
(14,148 posts)They gave him WAY too much uncritical, unchallenged coverage and exposure. WAY too much.
As much as I appreciate all the alarm bells the media is sounding now, most if not all of this disaster could have been easily avoided if they had just done their damn jobs in the first place, instead of being, well, star-fuckers.
ShazzieB
(17,944 posts)I didn't know he'd said that, but if anyone would know, he would.
True Blue American
(18,096 posts)Is the latest. They stuck him back in jail,( Solitary for 26 days,) to stop his book. He is also suing the Prison Leader.
calimary
(83,431 posts)Whine about being cheated. Pretty funny since HES the one whos always cheating everybody.
LakeVermilion
(1,147 posts)is because he had mechanisms in place to steal the election for himself. He assumed that he could steal the election, when in fact, so many people voted for Biden/Harris, that the vote overwhelmed his workings.
TFG never made an attempt to enlarge his base. He never made an attempt to reach 50% popularity. I would only assume that TFG expected to squeak by using the Electoral College, backed up by some state/local tweaks in the vote.
Martin Eden
(13,212 posts)Neither do facts or anything resembling the truth.
Nothing matters except feeding the ego and lusts of this megalomaniacal malignant narcissist.
To that end, he will say or do anything that serves his purpose.
I have wondered what the actual vote looked like--particularly in states like Kentucky. McConnell was not polling well as one example.
MyMission
(1,947 posts)I agree that whatever they had in place was overwhelmed by all the votes for Biden/Harris.
He "knows" voter and election fraud happened because he was involved. It didn't work for him. The majority, if not all, of the few cases of voter fraud uncovered have been GQP.
He and his handlers and minions had a few plans to stay in power. They used a lot of tactics, in their administration and the election, such as Lies, cheating, misinformation, manipulation, coercion, bribery, blackmail, hate speech, intimidation, violence, to name a few.
I also assume he expected to manipulate the election in a variety of ways, including using various officials. Let's not forget their voter suppression efforts at the local and state levels, both before and after the election.
FakeNoose
(34,699 posts)He saw the pre-election polls and he knew he could never win against Biden. He knew as early as the summer of 2020 before the election. They had plenty of time to plan how they were going to steal it. The January 6th event was only their last resort because nothing else had worked. The courts refused to rule in his favor, they refused to overthrow an honest election result.
Chumps knows he lost, he always knew it wasn't "stolen" from him.
bahboo
(16,749 posts)DownriverDem
(6,463 posts)trump running again is so disturbing. Hearing his crap before, during and after the 2024 campaign will bring us down even more. Perhaps he is waiting for the results of the Midterms. I just wish our side understood how not voting would be horrible for democracy.
sarchasm
(1,148 posts)to legislate subversion of those good folks.
Cosmocat
(14,843 posts)Yes, there were republicans who did the right thing, IN ISOLATION.
BUT, the entirety of the party was either all in on what 45 did over the last six years, or passively went along.
If this was an honest take, it would read "what Trump AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY did was ..."
maxrandb
(15,736 posts)It makes no sense to highlight the "integrity of hundreds of obscure Americans from every walk of life, state and local officials, judges, and election workers"; without pointing out that the Retrumplican Party is currently working 24/7 to pass legislation all over the country to ensure these Americans with integrity won't stop them the next time.
That seems like it would be a pretty salient point to include in this story, wouldn't it?
This is like praising the integrity of the German government for sending Hitler to prison. Whew! Thank God we dodged that bullet, huh?
"Hitler was convicted of high treason and sentenced to five years in prison. He served only eight months of his sentence.
In the aftermath of the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler decided on a "legal path" to revolution: the ballot box."
It should read, "what trump AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DID ..."
gab13by13
(23,915 posts)those patriots are being purged and Magats installed in their places. This book is one of those "feel good" books that doesn't understand that the steal, the coup is ongoing and growing. People revel in the fact that Steve Bannon has been indicted for ignoring a subpoena but every day he is working tirelessly to install Magats in positions of power. Steve Bannon has not been held accountable for anything.
Oh and I can't wait for Jan. 5th. Jan. 5th will mark 3 weeks since the select committee sent Meadow's criminal referral to Garland, that's how long it took DOJ to indict Bannon so I am waiting with bated breath for Jan. 5th.
Trump won't need the mob or the military in 2024, Magats are counting the votes, and Magats will decide which electors to send to the convention and the fascist SC will rule for the absolute authority of the states.
There are 3 election/voter bills that Chuck Schumer needs to pass this January or our democracy is toast, IMO. People need to be talking about those 3 bills and not feel good books.
ShazzieB
(17,944 posts)gab13by13
(23,915 posts)the coup is ongoing and growing, it wasn't successful because it had some flaws in the planning. Those flaws are being removed, those patriots the book speaks of are being purged and replaced by Magats. The coup traitors have passed laws and have gerrymandered to ensure they at least win back the House and winning back the House is all that the traitors need to do to win the 2024 presidency.
Unless Chuck Schumer passes 3 election/voter laws this January GQP controlled states can send GQP electors to the Electoral college convention regardless if a Democrat won the popular vote. With 2 sets of electors from several states the decision on who to seat goes to whoever controls the House. The Democrats will appeal to the SC and several SC justices have already voiced opinions as to the absolute authority of states to run their own elections. If this sounds like hyperbole or like nonsense, just wait and see how low the GQP has fallen.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)remember when bringing up Hitler was hyperbole? Not to anyone who actually read history.
True Blue American
(18,096 posts)The Us has stronger institutions but this is a critical point
AngryOldDem
(14,148 posts)Sow suspicion and distrust of democratic traditions and norms. Once people internalize the message that its okay to think everything is institutionally corrupt, it makes the road to full autocracy that much smoother.
MSNBC has been doing yeomans work in sounding the alarm for 2024. They keep saying they dont want to scare people but we must be scared. This must be shouted from the rooftops. Theres still time to fight this. Unfortunately, though, those who need to hear it the most are watching another network and are probably too far down the rabbit hole to be helped.
If more people of the ilk of MTG, Josh Hawley, Paul Gosar, etc. find their way to Congress this year, then we may be truly done as a republic.
My library doesnt seem to have this book on order yet. Id like to read it.
lamp_shade
(15,032 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)The election was not stolen because poll workers were watching. Which is why we do not want a centralize polling system.
Here is what I tell my friends on the right: For this election to be stolen all those poll workers would have had to be in on it. Plus they would have all had to keep quiet. Trump lost and he is still lying to America.
True Blue American
(18,096 posts)To keep the vote honest. I know, worked those polls with honest Republicans.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Trump is calling them all dishonest!
spanone
(137,215 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)Wounded Bear
(60,020 posts)Martin Eden
(13,212 posts)The Republican Party strategy now is to replace Americans of integrity with MAGA operatives willing and eager to use their positions as election officials to successfully steal the next election.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,361 posts)Even though HE was at the very top of that pyramid.
lame54
(36,333 posts)SWBTATTReg
(23,539 posts)anything, it makes me more determined, more focused on catching and stopping any future attempts to do a repeat of these shameful attempts to circumvent the desires of the winning electorate in our next election cycle. We hear constantly nonstop of the actions of the 1/6 rioters, and their leaders, as they are being thrown into jail, placed on probation, being chased down and charged w/ crimes almost on a daily basis.
I'd like to think that we are the silent majority thus by far (the Biden voters, as well as the numerous independent voters by the millions), the silent majority, and I daresay that if underhanded foul play is done in our next election cycle, that the silent majority will finally find their voices and act decisively. At least the Courts/Justice System is on our side, repealing the 60+ lawsuits to overturn the voters' choice last Nov. 2020.
There comes a time when democracy demands it, and the unfortunate truth is that a chunk of our elected officials are complacent w/ rump and his thugs being thrown into jail. There have been calls to enact portions of the amendment that calls for removal of these very same elected officials, to which I don't know why this hasn't happened.
I know it's extreme but hasn't the events of 1/6/21 reveal to all how extreme this whole situation is already? The voting rights and our choice that won were being trampled and trashed.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)FakeNoose
(34,699 posts)It seems the news pundits promote a new book up to 2 weeks before it's available to us lowly heathens.
Rocknation
(44,744 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 4, 2022, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)
Twenty-six million people who were either too apathetic or too young to vote in 2016 voted for either Trump or Biden in 2020, and nearly 60% of them voted for Biden. And due to the pandemic, at least 60% of the votes were mailed in beforehand. With about only one third of the votes actually being cast on Election Day, perhaps Trump would have prevailed (again?) if there had been enough machine votes to flip.
Rocknation