Christ - An unvaxxed patient on a rotoprone bed and hypothermic protocol

[packman]

Yah, it's just like the flu - not that serious. Just another Merikan showing he/she has rights.

[Walleye]

1. Now that's a really bad cold

[ProfessorGAC]

68. I Just Had A Bad Cold

That picture looks nothing like my couch!
Or the front seat of my car.
I'm thinking that patient has more than a cold. I could be wrong though.

[Leghorn21]

2. ..

[shelshaw]

3. It looks like the Webb telescope

[dalton99a]

4. Trying to even out the cement in the lungs while it sets

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

8. A fitting analogy. -- nt

[dchill]

15. A nice, even coating. No runs or drips.

[TheBlackAdder]

38. Oh, SHIT! You nailed it.

[Hortensis]

5. Horror story. Thank goodness she or he's fully anesthetized. Most will have

realized while being prepared for the ventilator that those would very possibly be their last moments of awareness before the end.

[erronis]

32. That's assuming they have any level of awareness. Based on anti-vaxxers history - none.

[Hortensis]

37. "Dehumanization isn't a way of talking. It's a way of thinking--

a way of thinking that, sadly, comes all too easily to us. Dehumanization is a scourge, and has been so for millennia. It acts as a psychological lubricant, dissolving our inhibitions and inflaming our destructive passions. As such, it empowers us to perform acts that would, under other circumstances, be unthinkable.”

― David Livingstone Smith, Less Than Human: Why We Demean, Enslave, and Exterminate Others

How many of us have the awareness these days to realize we're also no longer who we thought we were?

[erronis]

44. Of course we could include our own conversations in that "dehumanizing".

Or perhaps that's what you are referring to.

While I believe that many of "them" (rwnj, anti-vaxxers, anti-science, know-nothings, etc.) are using this technique - perhaps unconsciously - to treat the "others" as non-human, I sometimes feel that it's too easy for me to treat "them" as non-human.

(That's about as deep as I can go into psycho-babble....)

[Hortensis]

49. An important aspect is that it's also a good thing we can't begin to

feel the scope of the tragedy and suffering. Nature's protection.

[oldsoftie]

81. Yes its been getting that way. You become what you always derided.

But OUR side is right, so its DIFFERENT!

I've been guilty of wishing some vocal anti vaxxers get covid bad enough to make them realize they've made a mistake. But so far I've refrained from making fun of those who HAVE gotten it or wishing for their deaths

[jaxexpat]

55. As they used to say, "Heavy".

There may have been a good service for dehumanizing "others" somewhere in our prehistory, maybe even necessary for human survival. I hold that at the current state of technological evolution we are way too lethal to use that technique, on any level, just so we might feel good about our participation in our lives. Gets right to the point about defining "freedom" and how it does, alas, end where another's nose begins.

I've been fortunate that since I was quite young my thinking has leaned toward disabusing myself of notions wherein the worthiness of mine or anyone else's beliefs merit joining them. I saw an uncomfortable invasion of my personal space in activities like group worship, clubs, athletic teams and parades. It was as if I were seeing others, marching beneath their banners, as a disembodied non-participant. I felt that as I walked among them, they'd not even be able to be aware of me. From that state of awareness (paranoic dissociation?) it seemed to me that the will of the participants seemed to have been abridged without their knowledge, their participation looked autonomic and how in that state they would be prone to think and do things perhaps not of their own mind but of someone they'd accepted as "leader". It profoundly frightened and angered me. I came to distrust people given over to those states.

I go into all that to make a point. It being that the whole previous diatribe is essentially an exercise in rationalizing my dehumanization of those marchers in their parades. In that, I'm a member of a very large and nonexclusive club.

In answer to your question, I feel safe in saying "I'm pretty much the same guy I changed into yesterday and I expect I'll always be."

[SharonAnn]

60. I first realized that at a high school pep rally. Easy to get swept up. Don't even like football.

[jaxexpat]

61. Sounds right.

Do they still have those?

[IronLionZion]

6. Freepers are encouraging each other to get infected deliberately

as in they are having COVID parties to get "natural immunity" because Let's Go Darwin.

As for "just like the flu" we will be having lots of new variants forever. And most all of them will have descended from COVID-19 as an ancestor just like most seasonal flu variants descended from the 1918 flu pandemic. The flu kills plenty of people every year including Trump's own immigrant grandfather Frederick.

[Farmer-Rick]

9. Yeah, there are videos out there where anti-vaxxers looking very sick

Go out to protest mask requirements and vaccines while saying they have tested positive for COVID. Then they post the recordings on social media.

Anti-vaxxers were doing disease spreading parties before Covid too. The idiots and selfishly deluded have always been with us. Now the GOP is actively recruiting them to create hate and discontent.

[cab67]

28. the parties pre-date anti-vaxx idiocy.

When I was a kid in the 1970's, it wasn't uncommon for all of the kids in the neighborhood to visit a friend who'd just come down with chicken pox. The parents would do this on purpose on the theory that chicken pox was inevitable and not so bad for a child, and so they'd deliberately expose this to their kids to get it over with.

[IronLionZion]

30. They didn't know back then that it's very bad for adults

Once you've had chickenpox, the shingles virus is laying dormant in your body until you either get a very painful illness or get vaccinated for shingles. And infected kids often share it with adults in their life.

[AllyCat]

48. There was no vaccine then for varicella. Getting it as a kid

Was WAY better than getting it as an adult or teen years. It was everywhere. Basically, EVERYONE got it. So going to a party as a 3 year old made sense since every kid was going to get it anyway.

Shingles sucks. We have an effective vaccine.

These new idiots find that logic too complex and just follow what the idiots in their families and communities did.

[smirkymonkey]

78. My parents did that when my siblings came down with it. Fortunately, I never came down with a full

blown case. I only had about 2 or 3 itchy bumps and that was it. I am not sure if I kind of had some natural immunity, but did go ahead and get the Shingrix double vaccine just in case. I did not want to take any chances.

[krispos42]

33. Yeah, they haven't thought it all the way through.

They seem to exist in some sort of state where they have knowledge but no idea how to use it, or why.

[Emile]

40. I personally know 2 people who thought they had natural immunity who are 6 feet underground!

[IronLionZion]

58. They sure owned the libs

[COL Mustard]

79. They're social distancing now

Nt

[Ligyron]

80. Bwahaha!!!

You started out my morning with a belly laugh.

Good on ya!!

[FSogol]

7. Sad. Seems like a hard way to own the libs!

[3Hotdogs]

10. I'm so fukkin owned, I'm gonna write to Nancy and see if I can get my

Biden vote back.



Yup. They really got me.

[liberalla]

12. Not only hard... but really difficult to enjoy your lib-owning victory!

[BillyBobBrilliant]

11. That $100k+ hospital bill

is an awfully expensive way to own the libs, how many do you think that will buy?

[inthewind21]

43. That bill

Will well surpass 100K

[d_r]

13. Man I feel so owned

So, wonder what's for lunch

[Major Nikon]

14. Going for the medal

[KS Toronado]

31. Know some reQublicOns I'd like seeing get that award.

[Major Nikon]

54. While I wouldn't wish death on anyone...

Anyone who can get vaccinated and doesn't, then experiences an avoidable adverse affect from the disease doesn't deserve any sympathy.

[dchill]

16. Guaranteed a spot in Trumpheaven.

[NJCher]

17. Who's paying for all this?

eom

[Wednesdays]

18. One guess.

[Captain Zero]

22. Not Musk or Brazos or Trump

Remember. They don't pay taxes. They are smart businessmen.

[OnlinePoker]

36. Musk paid nearly $11 Billion this year following his exercising of stock options.

That's the largest single year tax payment of any person ever in the U.S. His federal tax rate on the income earned from the options was over 40%.

[inthewind21]

50. well

I have a hard time feeling any sympathy or being impressed. He's selling off over 20 MILLION shares of Tesla stock. He's worth 300 billion. When you're the worlds richest man, I would expect you would pay the worlds highest $$ in taxes. My tax rate is 28% , 12% less than a man who makes 4,285,714.28571 times more than me.

[Abolishinist]

56. Musk had paid around $1.5 million PER DAY in taxes

since becoming a U.S. citizen around 20 years ago, along with employing over 70,000 people in good paying jobs in a forward-looking company.

[MontanaMama]

23. You beat me to it.

My guess is we are.

[live love laugh]

29. Better question why are they paying for it? nt

[shanti]

63. IKR?

I've never even seen a bed like this, it must be expen$ive. Not everyone can afford it.

[dalton99a]

19. Average charge for COVID-19 hospitalization with ventilation

Alabama
$279,604

Alaska
$417,208

Arizona
$361,540

Arkansas
$242,358

California
$461,780

Colorado
$350,456

Connecticut
$239,251

Delaware
$272,929

District of Columbia
$277,806

Florida
$355,450

Georgia
$292,931

Hawaii
$245,665

Idaho
$303,873

Illinois
$277,078

Indiana
$242,582

Iowa
$278,396

Kansas
$308,910

Kentucky
$246,423

Louisiana
$274,374

Maine
$302,704

Maryland
$131,965

Massachusetts
$209,209

Michigan
$207,926

Minnesota
$262,910

Mississippi
$301,713

Missouri
$275,719

Montana
$220,851

Nebraska
$253,189

Nevada
$472,213

New Hampshire
$256,069

New Jersey
$377,198

New Mexico
$272,593

New York
$272,746

North Carolina
$234,988

North Dakota
$210,995

Ohio
$255,776

Oklahoma
$373,128

Oregon
$261,022

Pennsylvania
$373,506

Rhode Island
$242,162

South Carolina
$302,258

South Dakota
$266,635

Tennessee
$292,556

Texas
$378,052

Utah
$261,593

Vermont
$253,036

Virginia
$279,741

Washington
$334,224

West Virginia
$216,126

Wisconsin
$269,412

Wyoming
$353,623

(Source: Fair Health, October 2021)

[BadgerMom]

26. Thanks for the numbers. I was thinking that this must cost the earth.

Either these anti-vaxx folks must have the best health care coverage that there is or bankruptcy will loom for a great many of them. I’m surprised insurance companies aren’t changing coverage guidelines because of the cost of insuring the unvaxxed. If a group’s claims cost the company too much, that group’s premiums rise. Will many of these folks be forced into vaccination or Obamacare?

[FailureToCommunicate]

46. Unfortunately we ALL pay for the health care costs of the freeDUMB loving nit...

wits: from know nothing anti-vaxxers to no helmet wearing motorcycle knuckleheads.

[Abolishinist]

57. In the case of their unfortunate death (cough cough),

one can hope that perhaps the present value of their anticipated future social security benefits will balance this out.

[liberalla]

62. WOW! Maryland is a gonga!

[Delphinus]

65. Yikes!

[Moostache]

20. Is it time to rethink the name of the "Darwin Awards"?

I think it is becoming synonymous with "Trumper" personally...

BTW, the only feeling I get seeing that initial photo is rage - rage that the room is not available, the staff are not available and normal care is not available to someone in need because of the dying asshat's "freedums"...fuck them.

The second thought I got was "I really hope that is even more uncomfortable than it looks".

[NCjack]

24. Trumper Award -- has a good ring to it.

[PatrickforB]

21. There are things worse than death, and this is one of them.

This unvaxxed person brought this horror upon him/herself, but man, being in this would be a nightmare. I guess I'd want to die before I had to be in one of these babies.

But then, we have done everything right - we are fully vaxxed and have had boosters as well as this year's flu shot. Still, this is pretty effing scary.

[MontanaMama]

25. I've been giving this stuff serious thought this week.

My husband and I have breakthrough Covid infections. He has mild symptoms and I’m the sickest I’ve been in years. We did everything right too. Fully vaxxed, boosted, flu shots. I would never want to be placed in one of those contraptions. I think I’d rather leave the planet.

[PatrickforB]

47. Totally. Let's pray you have a quick and complete recovery then, for sure.

Seriously - very best wishes on getting better.

[Haggard Celine]

51. Yeah, I was sick last week.

Had all the Covid shots I could get, plus flu, shingles, and pneumonia. I told my family that if I ended up in the hospital, I don't want to be on a ventilator. The thought of being on one of those things for a month and then dying anyway would be an awful way to go, in my opinion. Just give me some pain killers and let me slip away.

[Ferrets are Cool]

71. You said you did everything right.

We have too, including wearing double masks every time we leave our home and NEVER inviting anyone over. Did you also do this? And still got it?

[MontanaMama]

84. We haven't had anyone over in two years.

We mask absolutely everywhere no exceptions. We got it from a fully vaxxed boosted employee of ours who gathered with his family over Christmas. All of the family was vaxxed and boosted too. Every one of them got Covid. Even several babies who double vaccinated. It is so discouraging. I will say that I’ve spent a good portion of this week angry. My husband sat across the table in our lunchroom from the employee and that’s as close as he got. I got it from hubs. Our kiddo is still testing negative, thank goodness. I’m sorry you got sick.

[Joinfortmill]

27. If that person survives costs will bankrupt them.

[BigmanPigman]

66. I have the feeling that they will "Go Fund Me"

A lot of them have been doing this to pay for the funerals.
They figure that it is much cheaper than getting a free vax and boosters.

[Thunderbeast]

34. Odds of waking up are better...but not good.

Recent studies estimate that the mortality rate of ventilated Covid patients to be between 25% and 50%.

The survival rate is much higher than it was a year ago. ICUs have learned much.

[Emile]

35. Dumb bastard should have taken ivermectin!

[samnsara]

39. hope they have insurance!

[Snackshack]

41. My gosh...

I wouldn’t wish that on anyone friend or foe.

I will never forgive or forget what the GOP has done to us.

[Hav]

42. It's sad and upsetting

seeing resources wasted on these idiots.
There are other patients with serious health issues whose treatments get postponed because some thought they did their research.

[CaptainTruth]

45. "I don't want to pay more because of your bad life choices."

Remember when right wingers said that back when the ACA bill was being debated in Congress? The ACA prevented insurers from denying coverage to sick people, & they couldn't charge them higher premiums. So, the rationale was that most people would pay a little more so people with serious health issues wouldn't be bankrupted by exorbitant premiums or denied insurance altogether.

I remember right wingers saying "I don't want to pay more because of your bad life choices," as if all health problems were the result of "bad life choices." (I was born with my health problem, so apparently I made a bad life choice while developing in the womb, although none of them could explain to me how that worked.)

Now, who's going to pay for all the hospital care for all the antivaxxers? Are MY insurance premiums going to increase? Am I going to have to pay more? Well right wingers, you were the ones who said "I don't want to pay more because of your bad life choices," so guess what?

I don't want to pay more because of your bad life choices!

If I had more free time I would Google old articles to find those right wing comments about the ACA, it would be good to have a collection of them to send to antivaxxers & share on social media. Maybe someone on DU has time to do the searching???

[inthewind21]

52. The party

of personal responsibility. The makers and the takers. Death panels. Killing grandma. Bankrupting medicare. Blah Blah Blah. Gee what is Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor doing these days? lol

[FakeNoose]

53. I always thought those trolls were secretly working for the insurance companies

The US insurance companies were fighting the ACA tooth-and-nail and they pulled out all the stops. I wouldn't be surprised if they hired underground PR people to post those "opinions" under fake names in the MSM. Their purpose was to make it look like a groundswell of pushback against the ACA, when in fact it was the Repukes and the insurance companies who opposed all of it. Of course the Repukes opposed the ACA because they didn't want Obama to get a win.

[SergeStorms]

59. If this patient is that bad off...

there's little chance of him/her making it. Even if they do their lives will never be the same.

But at least they owned the libs! He/she won!

[Solly Mack]

64. How can people see that and still think the vaccine isn't worth it?

That's not principle lying lifeless in that bed. Poked and prodded, with various tubes and catheters going in and out of the flesh.

That's senseless death. Needless, pointless, and tragic.

[lame54]

69. Fake news...

Fake news

Na na na na na na na I can't hear you I can't hear you

[Solly Mack]

70. Sadly, yes.

[blm]

67. Who shot this photo?

Was it part of a news story?

[orleans]

72. why do you ask? nt

[blm]

73. Because it looks to be part of a story

and I would be interested in the reporting. I think the photo should spread to other sites, too, so the ‘hoax’ crowd is likely to see it. I’d attach a link to the post.

Did you feel it was wrong for me to ask?

[orleans]

75. i put the picture into a google image search

and it came up on reddit
but there isn't an article
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/rwlnhu/covid_patient_receiving_therapy_in_a_rotoprone_bed/
a lot of reddit actually
and 1 twitter
and du

[blm]

77. Perhaps it was attached

to the nurse’s post who referenced that procedure. Someone posted that here today, as well.

[Blue Owl]

74. Softly and tenderly Herman is calling...

[AllyCat]

76. We cool babies that meet criteria and are at risk for HIE

Had no idea we do this for adults. Wow.

[Vinca]

82. If they want people to get vaccinated, publish their hospital bills. This ain't cheap.

[Owl]

83. That picture is frightening.