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The problem with God's Will is that the argument applies to everything.
Almost everything we do is done to counter God's Will.
How can anyone justify treating cancer? You have cancer for a divine reason. How can you and your doctor collude to thwart God's plain desire that you die of cancer?
If lightning sets your house on fire are you allowed to put out the fire? God just made it pretty F'ing plain that he would rather your house burned down. Who are you to thwart his Will?
And so on.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Zambero
(8,971 posts)If God answers his prayers, the rapist will have one less thing to worry about aside from a likely prison sentence, that being the unspeakable horror of mandated child support payments.
Tansy_Gold
(17,873 posts)"God must've wanted me to have the abortion because He put the Planned Parenthood phone number right in the phone book!"
Duh.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)God, on the other hand, is in charge of rapists
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)a person would begin to wonder if the sky fairy they believed in existed at all.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)So next time you think about praying or do pray, remember this.
God has this divine plan that is in motion and all worked out right? So if you are to pray to him for something, any prayer that would be granted would deviate from his "divine plan".
So it's either one of two things. Either God doesn't give a fuck about you because he already has it all worked out what will happen and ignores any and all prayers. Or, he really isn't this omnipotent being and is a wishy washy failure who doesn't have a plan at all.
It has to be one or the other, you pick
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)He's powerful, but a little slow. It might not have occurred to him that you would prefer that your spouse survived the operation. And world peace... well, some things require a little nagging.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)to thank him for all his "gifts". God knows best and to ask for an alternative to his wise gift would just piss him off.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)because after all, it was His will that you be raped in the first place.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)to have independent thoughts, praying on your own is illegal. Did you not get the rule book?
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)My understanding is that it is generally frowned upon, especially if the sentiment arises from a need for personal revenge. One should pray to God to take care of the matter in his own way.
It is a thorny theological issue. If you see the fire trucks racing down your street, is it OK to hope it's your neighbor's house and not yours? Technically, that's not allowed (as I understand it). You can pray for the fire to be put out quickly and for no one to be harmed.
Disclaimer: I am an atheist who suffered through a rigorous Catholic upbringing.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)I find that the Jesuitical rigor of a couple of thousand years of philosophy has little relevance to the American religion which is more like a Manichean TV series where God and Satan are independent forces, fairly evenly matched, but that God prevails at the end of each episode.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)It's like wrestling, except with Jesus winning every match.
However, I love poking at the theology. I have a close friend who is a former priest (also now an atheist). I can usually get the book version from him. Even he could not give me a straight answer on imprecatory prayer OR what happened to the damn babies when they got rid of limbo.
Apparently there is also a wacky group of ultra-montanists who claim that every Pope after Pius XII was a false pope, so none of that Vatican 2 stuff counts.
The church is an endless source of amusement to me, and of misery to most.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)as part of the deal. (seriously) And, in the process, made baptism kind of a waste of time... unless fetuses go to heaven but unbaptized new-borns go to Hell.
At what age does the fetal immunity expire?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)See, the rapist was doing gawd's will. He was literally an instrument (heh) of gawd.
So you have to pray for him since that pregnancy is a gift dammit.
You are however, allowed to thank gawd for the "gift".
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Legitimate rape and all
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Then that must be God's will too.