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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is damn near impossible to get anything done with a 50/50 Senate.
Especially when issues like the filibuster and voting rights are more popular with the opposing Party in states like West Virginia and Arizona. Democratic Senators in those states do not gain votes by voting for those issues. They win votes by voting against them. That is the crux of the matter.
Democrats need to have a more workable majority if they wish to change the filibuster and pass the new voting rights legislation. Once they get the majority, they need to use it.
The filibuster is nothing more than a relic from the Jim Crow era and America's racist past. It should be disposed of at first opportunity. It's sort of like the state lines of places like ND, SD, and WY that were drawn to give specific advantage to Republican and corporate interests in the US Senate. It is a part of the systemic racism in this country, from a political vantage point.
HariSeldon
(455 posts)The danger, if we don't use this majority to pass voting rights legislation, is that we might never again be allowed to have a majority, starting with the results of this year's election.
Irish_Dem
(47,114 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)That not a single solitary Republican Senator will come forward and support sane legislation. I am just heartbroken that we are at this point. That it is purely partisan.
All these Senators are OK with screwing over their constituents because they have to tow the party line instead of voting FOR legislation that will actually HELP their own voters.
If these same voters complained that their Senators have somehow betrayed them (voting against the party line), the politicians should say: They are voting for things that are GOOD for you.
Politicians have no trouble taking away our rights (voting, womens choice) but heaven forbid they actually help.
cadoman
(792 posts)...the kinds of adjustments that would bring them in would likely displease some of our more progressive members. It'd drag the bill a lot closer to the center and thus, mediocrity. But sometimes mediocrity, or a lack of drama and discontent, is welcome (esp. post-drumpf).
It's not gonna be a popular idea, but rather than go all-in on BBB, Biden could try to navigate a path that brought Manchin/Sinema and the anti-drumpf right into the fold (I'm thinking again, Murkowski/Romney/Collins and maybe some others).
At that point, you at least have a block of five or so "center" Senators that can be the point of compromise, and allow us to get a few things done. Use that momentum to hold down the House and Senate for another year and build from there.
The focus on voting rights legislation is a bit overblown and really does a disservice to how well we performed last election. Biden got the most Presidential votes in history, which is a huge accomplishment and a sign of widespread support. Why are we beating ourselves up and acting like we can't get the vote out, when we just got the vote out better than ever in history? We struggled in the House and Senate, but the fastest way to fix that is legislative victories that appeal to independents, and recruiting good candidates by projecting _confidence_ in the party, instead of despair. Use the recent retirements to recruit young and diverse candidates with energy and broad appeal.
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cadoman
(792 posts)I think sometimes we get to flailing at demons that don't exist, or opposing issues that have workable middle ground.
For instance, we've got our feet dug in on voter id laws, but the easy pivot there is sure, you can have voter id laws, but you have to provide free identification to your state residents.
The working class and under-homed in my area would find that a huge benefit as they are constantly losing or having their ID stolen, and they need it to get welfare in the area anyway. To me this is the easiest pivot in the world: sure you can have voter id, just make sure it's free.
That moves the issue from a gqp voter suppression strategy (that they are selling better than we are fighting), into a benefit for the underprivileged who struggle to get and maintain their state ID.
This is the obvious soft flank to the gqp's attack. They hit us with voter id laws, we spin around and poke them with free voter id. Throw in some Federal funding and watch red state governors scramble for it. This is simple shit.
Why can't we get our party functioning correctly on basic, obvious, winning issues like this? We look ridiculous when we say voter id is in opposition to democracy. It's untrue, discombobulated messaging on an issue that should be a win for us.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Messaging and looking at obstacles as opportunities.
For losing Sunday voting, I was thinking that the pastors who help with Souls to the polls might consider church services on some weekdays when they KNOW the polls are open and may not be as crowded?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,412 posts)I hope people show up in 2022 to vote Blue and don't sit at home pouting because we have two sh**ty Senators who are veering Republican. If we show up more for Democrats and progressives, we can win more legislative fights.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)Three Senators are at risk in 2022: Hassan (NH), Warnock (GA) and Cortez-Masto (NV). We have to hold those AND pick up seats in PA, WI, OH, IA, NC, none of which are shoe-ins.
HariSeldon
(455 posts)What if Democratically controlled states pass a law that in-person voting requires proof of vaccination? Mail in ballots to be available until three days before the election for any not vaxxed. And funny how the voting rights legislation before Congress would disallow that law. If the laws stand, Democrats win a majority in the House. If the national voting rights legislation passes, we get a fair election. Win/win.
NJGeek
(702 posts)Not going to happen. And why would it matter? The issue is the Senate, which is inherently un-democratic given the representation that small (population) states like Wyoming get vs. large states like NY, NJ, CA, etc.
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)And we can't get anything done because 2 Senators with Ds after their names vote with the Rs on all the important issues. We can neutralize them by taking 2 more seats this year. It won't be easy, but it can be done. Portman's seat and Ron Johnson's seat are particularly ripe for a pickup, and I'm sure there are a few more as well.
onenote
(42,704 posts)Therefore, I disagree with the suggestion that Manchin and Sinema vote with the Rs on "all important" issues.