Justice Kagan

[WHITT]

schools the uninformed RightWingers on the court:

All kinds of judgments on the public health side, on the economic side, how those two things ought to be balanced against each other.

So who decides? Should it be the agency full of expert policy-makers, and completely politically accountable through the president? Or, on the other hand, courts can decide. Courts are not politically accountable. Courts have not been elected. Courts have no epidemiological expertise.

Why in the world would courts decide this question?

SmackDown.

[monkeyman1]

2. since when is SCOTUS medical expert's????

[ShazzieB]

4. That's Kagan's point, in a nutshell!

[monkeyman1]

5. exactly!! they should be out of bounds on this ! not qualified !!

[MurrayDelph]

14. There are way too many

of what I call "rigid thinkers," who believe that by dint of being an expert in one subject they have de facto expertise in all subjects.

[monkeyman1]

17. something with congress critter's- we have one with jail record & flunked ged test ?????

[malaise]

21. Many lawyers would have been doctors if only they had the grades

That is all

[keithbvadu2]

16. Medical experts?

[monkeyman1]

18. that's Kool!! rip them up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[childfreebychoice]

3. Just saw on YouTube that two of the lawyers arguing

Against mandates, at SCOTUS, have covid

[barbtries]

6. are they arguing live?

fucking covidiots.

youtube not being the best source for news, i googled:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/state-lawyers-arguing-against-biden-vaccine-mandates-test-positive-covid-19-2022-01-07/

https://www.axios.com/supreme-court-lawyers-vaccine-mandate-covid-faab14c2-2ede-43ec-8778-ce54abe1156e.html

apparently they tested positive so are arguing remotely, thankfully.

[calimary]

23. Well well well.

[monkeyman1]

7. bingo ! we have a winner!!

[Xoan]

8. Freedumb rings.

[Glaisne]

9. As if that will have any impact

whatsoever on the conservative justices. They are ideologs. They are there to push the conservative agenda. Good on her anyway.

[monkeyman1]

19. they don't read this stuff anyway!!!

[StClone]

10. ... things ought to be balanced against each other.

Like gun rights vs public safety. The Absolutes of gun supremacy make no sense if the overall goal of The Constitution is for the benefit, well-being, and equity of all. Well-regulated militia goes right over their heads as likely will Covid.

[Evolve Dammit]

11. One shot musket days did not envision this craziness. Or the un-"regulated " militia. n/t

[calimary]

12. She WOULD be schooling them, if they weren't so busy ditching school.

They're busily doing their utmost not to pay any attention.

[orleans]

13. cspan is running it now (from friday i think) nt

[70sEraVet]

15. I'm sure all of the SC justices have been vaxxed. How many have had Covid?

I know Barrett has had it. Does she think its just like the flu?

[Poiuyt]

22. Have you heard that all the SC justices have been vaccinated?

I wouldn't automatically assume that Alito and Thomas have been.

[Orrex]

20. The goal since day one has been to keep the economy open

Anything that conflicts with that goal will be pushed aside.

[forthemiddle]

24. SCOTUS is not being asked if vaccines are the best choice

They are being asked on who has the right to mandate them.
So far they seem to be agreeing (through their non action) that States have the right, the question is does OSHA have that right?
Does the President have that right?
Does Congress have that right?

I don’t know the answer, but I do know SCOTUS isn’t being asked to be the medical experts, just the Constitutional experts.

[inthewind21]

27. We already know

Who has the right because we have been having vaccines REQUIRED in this country for quite some time now. Hence the reason we aren't still having waves of small pox, polio, measles, rubella, etc. Vaccines REQUIRED to get your kids in school. Vaccines REQUIRED for the military. Vaccines REQUIRED for college. Vaccines REQUIRED for healthcare workers. And so on. This is not a new thing. If the SC shoots down this requirement, then look for all the vaccines currently required to be challenged as well. You can't say "well those requirements are ok, but this one is just an assault on freedom and must be struck down. Like grandma always said, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. I find it strangely odd that none of the attorneys in favor of it being struck down didn't include ALL required vaccines and I'm equally as surprised that the SC isn't bringing up the long list of vaccines already required.

[forthemiddle]

28. Those are all required by either the State or the employer

I think that the Federal Government has the authority over Federal employees, but not over the general public.
The cases before the Supreme Court is who has the authority to mandate. State Governments have that right (via a previous Court ruling).
What other vaccine does the Federal Government mandate, outside being the employer of the military, and other Federal employees?

[WinstonSmith4740]

25. Exactly!

[Ilsa]

26. Senator RiteWinger has a brain aneurysm. Let's ask the courts if he needs surgery.

Don't bother with what those pesky doctors and specialists say. Ignore the MRIs, PET scans, and any other available objective and verifiable data to make a decision. Just ask a court whose medical knowledge is limited to personal anecdotes.