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UTUSN

(70,741 posts)
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 01:16 PM Jan 2022

Shade or no shade? Leader SCHUMER on The View said & repeated Robt BYRD was MANCHIN's mentor

He went out of his way not to pin-the-blame-on him alone when the hosts listed all the agenda items not delivered so far, obliquely saying that in a 50 votes scenario any one senator can make things harder. But on two issues - voting rights and changing the filibuster - he found it noteworthy to mention that BYRD was MANCHIN's "predecessor and mentor," especially "mentor," and that Senator BYRD had "changed the rules" some seven times "when circumstances called for it."

*** Now, to us Dems Senator BYRD was a prominent Dem, but wingnuts have been hashing him out as having been, like a hundred years ago, a KKK member, with their customary ignorance of historical changes (LINCOLN & T. ROOSEVELT wouldn't recognize today's Repuke party).

So, to me, Leader SCHUMER went out of his way to link MANCHIN to BYRD. These days, the first thought at the mention of BYRD is the wingnut trope.


*** ON EDIT, on the "no shade" side, perhaps holding Mentor BYRD out as an exemplar for being pragmatic for gentle schooling of MANCHIN?





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former9thward

(32,082 posts)
1. I don't know if it was a hundred years ago or not.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 01:34 PM
Jan 2022

Byrd voted against both African American nominees to the Supreme Court. Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas. Marshall and Thomas are pretty opposite in terms of ideology so what was the reason for his vote against Marshall?

In 2001 he used the N word in a national broadcast interview. He apologized but when that word is so close to you that you use it in a national broadcast what does that mean?

Sen. Byrd Apologizes for Racial Epithet

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121733

UTUSN

(70,741 posts)
2. So regarding MANCHIN today, what does the BYRD link mean? I don't think Leader uses the BYRD racist
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 01:37 PM
Jan 2022

angle.






UTUSN

(70,741 posts)
4. The BYRD-MANCHIN link was my point, in no way a defense of BYRD's civil rights record.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 01:49 PM
Jan 2022

And the link came up with both the filibuster and voting rights issues.

These days whenever BYRD is mentioned it's by wingnuts. So what is your take on SCHUMER's making the link, twice?










JohnSJ

(92,403 posts)
5. I think it is simply hoping it will move Manchin to accept exceptions to the filibuster rules to
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jan 2022

pass the voting rights bill

brush

(53,871 posts)
6. Schumer knows what he's doing. Linking Manchin with Byrd is shade on civil rights...
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:08 PM
Jan 2022

and the filibuster issue. He doesn't have even say it, just linking Manchin with the old racist, filibusterer is enough...and it's also shot over the bow to let Manchin know he can be damaged.

Donkees

(31,454 posts)
7. Byrd: ''When circumstances change, the rules have to change''
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:25 PM
Jan 2022

Schumer's main point concerns Manchin pretending that rules can't change


Quote at about 5 minute mark:




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Parliamentary expertise

Byrd was also known for using his knowledge of parliamentary procedure. Byrd frustrated Republicans with his encyclopedic knowledge of the inner workings of the Senate, particularly prior to the Reagan Revolution. From 1977 to 1979 he was described as "performing a procedural tap dance around the minority, outmaneuvering Republicans with his mastery of the Senate's arcane rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd



“We’re working very hard trying to persuade Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema,” Sen. Schumer tells #TheView on voting rights reform. “They just say we shouldn’t change the Senate rules to do it.”

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