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Dan Rather @DanRather: In my book, there's nothing "moderate" about blocking voting rights (Original Post) BeckyDem Jan 2022 OP
Senator Manchin is not a moderate! Emile Jan 2022 #1
I agree, but the point is to say, no matter your position you should be BeckyDem Jan 2022 #2
The ENTIRE QOP and DFP don't want a Democracy. At all. In any shape or form. Tommymac Jan 2022 #12
I agree. If we can win more senate seats, it may be possible to eliminate the filibuster for good. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #13
Romney is not a fascist, so, rather sadly, that counts for a lot these days. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #4
If he is against voting rights, what the hell is he then? Magoo48 Jan 2022 #6
Misunderstood the post, but that's ok. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #7
Admittedly, I do misunderstand from time to time. Magoo48 Jan 2022 #9
Thank you kindly for saying that! So much misunderstanding in text based only conversation. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #14
Hear Hear! +100000 Tommymac Jan 2022 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Jan 2022 #3
Dear Mr. Rather, I agree with you 1000%. Seems radical to me. spanone Jan 2022 #5
I still dont understand how lobbyist Joe is called a moderate. Mr. Sparkle Jan 2022 #8
+1. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #10
Check out his whole voting record...D all the way. Or check out the salivating at the mouth Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #15
So it's moderate democratic to block a democratic president legislation. Emile Jan 2022 #16
Manchin is sponsor of Freedom to Vote Act. Anyone know that, and why not? Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #17
How many things has he blocked that were never Emile Jan 2022 #18
You tell me as I m not one complaining. I just provide the info. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #19
Well we don't know because of him. We do know he's blocking BBB Emile Jan 2022 #20
Sabotage? Whole agenda? That's what the other side of the media void is saying. Alarmist. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #21
I said this so called moderate POS is blocking BBB! Emile Jan 2022 #22
Ok then, clear enough now... Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #27
Manchin. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #25
Wow, now that is an eye opener! Emile Jan 2022 #26
You realize he is in a deep red state and those votes made no difference to the result? It happens Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #28
You are free to believe whatever you want about Manchin. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #30
Primary him and let the democratic voters decide if Emile Jan 2022 #31
I often check voting records AZProgressive Jan 2022 #24
Manchin is cosponsor of freedom to vote act...that's good, right? Throw him a bone on that? Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #29
"Fascist" is the new "moderate". nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2022 #23

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
2. I agree, but the point is to say, no matter your position you should be
Wed Jan 12, 2022, 09:38 AM
Jan 2022

doing everything you can to let people vote. That is the very definition of a functioning democracy.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
12. The ENTIRE QOP and DFP don't want a Democracy. At all. In any shape or form.
Wed Jan 12, 2022, 11:58 AM
Jan 2022

THAT is the truth the M$M needs to be propagating.

And unfortunately, there seems to be several Democratic figures who really don't want one either.

All these pols are channeling the Koch Family and other 1%'ers, plus Putin and other global authoritarians, who want unregulated Capitalism to be the norm.

I.E. they are taking blood money.



BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
13. I agree. If we can win more senate seats, it may be possible to eliminate the filibuster for good.
Wed Jan 12, 2022, 12:02 PM
Jan 2022

And a great deal depends on those wins in many areas because Manchin and Sinema are often blamed but not the only obstacles.

Nothing would be greater than to see those obstructionists outvoted and made irrelevant.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
4. Romney is not a fascist, so, rather sadly, that counts for a lot these days.
Wed Jan 12, 2022, 10:18 AM
Jan 2022

Think an actual Mormon high priest, as opposed to the self appointed kind of priest with a FB ordination certificate, has to abide by some ethical and moral standards.

Magoo48

(4,719 posts)
6. If he is against voting rights, what the hell is he then?
Wed Jan 12, 2022, 10:33 AM
Jan 2022

If you’re silent, you’re complicit. If you speak out against, you’re with them. If you’re with them what the fuck are you?

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
14. Thank you kindly for saying that! So much misunderstanding in text based only conversation.
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 09:27 AM
Jan 2022

And everyone leaps to the first possible misunderstanding possible…and then gets very very 😡.

Full confession…never sent a text in my life for that very reason.

Hesitate at times to post even here because for sure half the replies will be angry…for no other reason than a leap to misunderstanding so can get very mad…at their own misunderstanding.

Response to BeckyDem (Original post)

Mr. Sparkle

(2,937 posts)
8. I still dont understand how lobbyist Joe is called a moderate.
Wed Jan 12, 2022, 10:44 AM
Jan 2022

It just doesn't make sense, but then i don't have 3 years studying in journalism school!

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
15. Check out his whole voting record...D all the way. Or check out the salivating at the mouth
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 09:29 AM
Jan 2022

mass media in search of conflict to inflate.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
17. Manchin is sponsor of Freedom to Vote Act. Anyone know that, and why not?
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 09:42 AM
Jan 2022

The Act…

Modernizes the VR's formula determining
which states and localities have a pattern of
discrimination;

Ensuring that last-minute voting changes do
not adversely affect voters by requiring
officials to publicly announce all voting
changes at least 180 days before an election;
and

Expanding the government's authority to send
federal observers to any jurisdiction where
there may be a substantial risk of
discrimination at the polls on Election Day or
during an early voting period

And more

Emile

(22,871 posts)
20. Well we don't know because of him. We do know he's blocking BBB
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 09:50 AM
Jan 2022

and that is sabotaging our president agenda.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
21. Sabotage? Whole agenda? That's what the other side of the media void is saying. Alarmist.
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 09:52 AM
Jan 2022

And overblown by design.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
25. Manchin.
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:10 AM
Jan 2022

Since 2011, no Democrat currently serving in the Senate has split with the party more often, including 80 votes in which Senator Manchin was the only Democrat to break with his party and vote with the majority of Senate Republicans.

Overall, Senator Manchin has voted with the majority of Senate Republicans on 1,172 different votes or 54% of the votes he has taken as a United States Senator.

Since President Trump was inaugurated, no Senator (Democrat or Republican) has split with their party more often than Senator Manchin, including 23 votes in which he was the only Democrat to vote with the Republicans on issues such as:
https://www.manchin.senate.gov/about/bipartisanship/legislation

The scope of this is fair, imo....it also includes where he was not voting with Republicans. So many in his state need help, why he refused BBB is complicated for some to understand but it looks as if the WH has his number.

Senator Manchin’s comments this morning on FOX are at odds with his discussions this week with the President, with White House staff, and with his own public utterances. Weeks ago, Senator Manchin committed to the President, at his home in Wilmington, to support the Build Back Better framework that the President then subsequently announced. Senator Manchin pledged repeatedly to negotiate on finalizing that framework “in good faith.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/19/statement-from-press-secretary-jen-psaki-4/
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
28. You realize he is in a deep red state and those votes made no difference to the result? It happens
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:15 AM
Jan 2022

a lot in the Senate.

Repeat…he is a democratic senator in a deep red state and provides the majority vote that even makes this debate happen.

Otherwise kiss everything on the D agenda for another 4 years goodbye?

I can cut a little slack knowing that.

Emile

(22,871 posts)
31. Primary him and let the democratic voters decide if
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:22 AM
Jan 2022

they want him or a real democrat. Nothing to fear if you are so right.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
24. I often check voting records
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:04 AM
Jan 2022

Manchin is always one of the most conservative Democrats in the Senate. I’m actually a little surprised to see that Sinema was more conservative than Manchin and Rand Paul in 2020.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2020/senate/ideology

Unless he supports changing the filibuster he is blocking his own bill.

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