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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21178554-charges
msongs
(67,420 posts)Ocelot II
(115,735 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)Call them what they are.
prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)Kelly Meges continued, QRF rally points[.] Waterofthe bridges get closed. In response, the North Carolina QRF team leader wrote, My sources DC working on procuring Boat tansportation as we speak At that time, Caldwell was asking contactsifthey or anyone they ew could enda boat so that we could have our Quick Response Team withthe heavy weapons standing by, quickly load them and fery them across the river to our waiting arms...
prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)42. On December 31, 2020, MEGGS sent Facebook messages to another person who hs0 travel to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021: You guys Gonna cary? and Ok © we arent either, we have a heavy QRF 10 Min out though. 43. On December 31, 2020, JAMES received a Signal message from another person, [Fe stated, i have friends not far from DC witha lotofweapons and ammoifyou get un trouble i ca. Coordinate help. JAMES responded, That might be helpful, but we have a shitload ofQRF ion standby with an arsenal. : 44. On December 31, 2020, an Arizona QRF team member messaged RHODES on Signa thatthe team member, VALLEIO, and ofhers were coming fo Washington, D.C., and that freveryans. coming has their own technical equipment and knows how to use it, adding a winky face emoji. RHODES responded, awesome! The Arizona QRF team member also said that {the group would have rifles and man power. : 45. Inlate December, CALDWELL identified the Comfort Inn Ballston, in Arlington, Virginia, as the location that the QRF would use as its base of operations for January 6, 2021 icALDWELL shared the location of the hotel with WATKINS and the QRF team leader for the osCarolina Oath Keepers group that traveled to Washington, D.C., for January 6, 2021. The [North Carolina QR team leader reserved three rooms and paid for one of the rooms; MEGGS Ipaidfortheothertwo rooms. Oneroomwas occupiedby theNorth Carolina QRF team;the second Jroom was occupied by the Arizona QRF team, including VALLEJO; the third room was occupied oy the Florida QRF team. These QRF teams used the rooms to store and guard the firearms that fey and other co-conspirators contributed to the QRE.
elleng
(130,974 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)((page 1))
INDICTMENT The Grand Jury charges that, at all times material to this Indictment, on or about the dates fend times stated below: i Introduction | The Transferof Presidential Power in the United States © L The United States Constitution and federal statutes codify the procedures and dates fpoveming the transfer of presidential power in the United States. The Twelfth Amendment requires presidential electors to meet in their respective states and certify distinc lss of all persons voted for as President, andofall persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number ves or ech. It ft elves tht the Vice President hall, the presence ofthe Senate jand HouseofRepresentatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted. Title 5, Section 15 ofthe United States Code provides that the United States Congress must convene [during a joint session proceeding (the Joint Session" at 1:00 pm. on the sixth day of January fusing every meeting ofthe lector, with the Vie President presiding to counthe electoral votes, resolve any objections, certify their validity, and announce the result (Certificationofthe ecto College vote). The Twentieth Amendment provides that the termsofthe President and Wie President shall accordingly end at noon on the 20th dayof January, and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
Plot to Oppose by Force the 2020 Lawful Transferof Presidential Power | 2. The 2020 United States Presidential Election (Presidential Election) occurred on November 3,2020. As of November 7, 2020, the incumbent President Donald J. Tramp was projectedto have lost the Presidential Election. | 3 ARerthe Presidential Election, ELMER STEWART RHODES If conspired with pe co-defendants, introduced below, and other co-conspirators, known and unknown to the Grand
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Might not be trump, but its among the most vile of trumpsters.
prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)He urged President Trump to use military force to stop the lawful transferofpresidential power, describing January 6, 2021, as ahard constitutional deadline to do so. 31. On December 23, 2020, RHODES published another open letter on the Oath [Keepers website. RHODES explained, tensofthousandsofpatriot Americans, both veterans and [non-veterans, will already be in Washington D.C. and manyofus will have our mission-critical {aca sowed noacby just outside D.C. RHODES stated in the open Iter that he and others may - 10 take to arms in defenseofour God given liberty. | 32 OnDecember23,2020, JAMESsent RHODES'Sleerto a co-conspirator and told Jim the leter was required reading. | 33. RHODES continued advocating for the use of fore to stop the lawful transfer of [presidental power with MEGGS, HARRELSON, HACKETT, MOERSCHEL, ad others inthe OKPL Hangout Chat, {34 OnDecember 25,2020, MEGGS messaged the OKFL Hangout Chat, in reference Ito the Joint Session, Weneed to make those senators very uncomfortable with allofus being a few hundred feet away. RHODES then wrote, I think Congress will screw him [President Tramp] over. The only chance we/he has isifwe scare the hit outofthem and convince them it will be torches and pitchforks time is they dont do the right thing. But I dont think they will fist.» {35 On December 26, 2020, a member of Stack One attempted to arange a training fas and wrote an email oa Florida company that conducts training on firearms and combat. The lack One member wrote, in part, trained with you not long ago. Since then I havejoined Oath een. T recommended your training to the team. To that effect, fourofus would like to train with you, specifically in your UTM rifle class.
LoisB
(7,206 posts)prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)ready to bring stockpiles of military grade weapons when called for is detailed There was even a contingency plan to bring in the guns and ammo by boat across the Potomac if the bridges were shut down.
canetoad
(17,169 posts)QRE - Quck Reaction Estimate
QRF - Quick Response Force
TomSlick
(11,100 posts)This is very close to a "speaking indictment" that alleges more facts than necessary to plead a sufficient charge. I take that to mean DoJ is confident it can prove the facts alleged.
1/6 was what it appeared to be. A planned and coordinated attack on the Republic.
Any GOP operatives that had contact with the Oath Keepers before 1/6 should assume DoJ has - and has decrypted - their communications.
prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)Ocelot II
(115,735 posts)prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)are laid out on every page. And it was done by a group who had people with Stone at the Willard.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I just do not click on links with no explanation of why I should or what it contains.
"Click on this link !" has me running in the opposite direction.
prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)should be recalled to service, have a court marital, and sentenced to life at Gitmo... never to be heard from again.
We don't want to have a firing squad because that would just make them martyrs for the far right.
Deuxcents
(16,248 posts)Ive said that about Flynn..all of em need to be accountable
Arresting
(30 posts)I don't have the time to read an 80 page legal brief, who does? But since you've read it, please post some of the highlights. Or give us some page numbers.
prodigitalson
(2,426 posts)hi lights are all over the web.
I posted it for those who want to read the entire primary source.
Cheezoholic
(2,026 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)Mopar151
(9,989 posts)Sure ..... Gun fetisists, mysoginist morons, hairballs on the carpet of America.
Captain Zero
(6,811 posts)covers them all
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)WestIndianArchie
(386 posts)Has got to be wrong, they said they were just touring the building
Botany
(70,518 posts)From in and around December 2020, through in and around January 2021, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants,
ELMER STEWART RHODES III,
KELLY MEGGS,
KENNETH HARRELSON,
JESSICA WATKINS,
JOSHUA JAMES,
ROBERTO MINUTA,
JOSEPH HACKETT,
DAVID MOERSCHEL, :
BRIAN ULRICH,
THOMAS CALDWELL,
EDWARD VALLEJO,
did. knowingly combine, conspire, confederate,and agree with each other and other persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury, to corruptly obstruct, influence, and impede an official [proceeding, that is, the Certification of the Electoral College vote, in violation of
Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512(c)(2). ii
I just skimmed it but they (oath keepers) are in deep shit and the feds have all their text messages as those
shits planned to over throw our democracy including caches of arms and plans for boating across the Potomac
for a military assault on the Washington D.C..
Supermax Florence, Colorado
This room could be their homes for 23 hours a day
And what drove these people to being Oath Keepers? A black man became President.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)This news story shows pictures of many of those mentioned in the indictment:
https://nbc-2.com/news/2022/01/13/punta-gorda-oath-keeper-facing-federal-sedition-charges-for-us-capitol-insurrection/
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)article in the NY Times Magazine "Capitol Police and the Scars of January 6" by Susan Dominus and Luke Broadwater.
No wonder it's taken a year for some of the pieces to be put together. Meticulous research and documentation. The Republican deniers in Congress should be given copies of both documents and told to go home and read.