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mucifer

(23,553 posts)
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:46 AM Jan 2022

I'm noticing the oath keeper indictment stories are buried in the newspapers

I've been looking around the web and it's being treated as a minor story by WaPo, I don't see it on the front page of NYT (if you google oath keeper and sedition you can find it ). It's a minor story in my local Chicago papers here in Chicago. I don't see it in the major stories in the LATimes.

I am really surprised by this.

The one major good news story after the horrific destruction of our voting system and it's buried.



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I'm noticing the oath keeper indictment stories are buried in the newspapers (Original Post) mucifer Jan 2022 OP
Not a surprise at all Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #1
Los Angeles Times, Page One. LA Times is a major newspaper. nt Hekate Jan 2022 #2
I don't see it: mucifer Jan 2022 #3
Neither do I. Cobalt Violet Jan 2022 #7
That's a web site, not a newspaper. sinkingfeeling Jan 2022 #19
That's where the vast majority of people read the newspaper these days. mucifer Jan 2022 #25
Still, the website is not the paper. MineralMan Jan 2022 #31
Then change your OP to say 'news web sites'. sinkingfeeling Jan 2022 #36
"Seditious conspiracy is hard to prove" according to their lawyers. live love laugh Jan 2022 #4
Actually, it is, which is why DOJ Just_Vote_Dem Jan 2022 #5
In one aspect it isn't, gab13by13 Jan 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #17
Yeah, they "say" it's hard to prove but a look the law doesn't support that Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #20
+1"If it had been a group of Muslim men, no one would be talking about how difficult it is to prove" uponit7771 Jan 2022 #27
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #29
That's why they spent a year building an iron-clad case. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #32
Front page Washington Post upper right of the page OLDMDDEM Jan 2022 #6
need more dramatic colorful terminology than "seditious conspiracy" certainot Jan 2022 #8
What happened in Michigan last night gab13by13 Jan 2022 #10
Looks like a try to steal the election. multigraincracker Jan 2022 #13
It has been hard to prove in the past.... it DOJ has RECEIPTS, ashredux Jan 2022 #11
But Prince Andrew is on the front page! (n/t) PJMcK Jan 2022 #12
Yep, sex sells papers. multigraincracker Jan 2022 #14
I hear you. We'd love for them to have that priority, but they never have. ancianita Jan 2022 #15
Newspapers are fearful and the only banner indictment headline I want is ORANGE /nt bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #16
Front page of the New York Times brooklynite Jan 2022 #18
Good points, espcially about websites running it yesterday. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2022 #21
I checked today it's been less than 24 hours It's not there except for WaPo mucifer Jan 2022 #24
Because there are new stories to report and no new developments on the indictments brooklynite Jan 2022 #30
Point well made. Lasher Jan 2022 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author empedocles Jan 2022 #22
3 broadcast networkd playing it about 10-12 minutes into their half hours last night] empedocles Jan 2022 #23
It's fine to keep their notoriety limited. The fact that they were indicted is huge. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #26
No need to prematurely alarm the next targets. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #33
Hoping lots of flipping happens, all the way up the chain, past Roger Stone. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #37
On the front page of the Dallas Morning News Picaro Jan 2022 #28
No, they are not really buried. However, newspapers MineralMan Jan 2022 #34

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
31. Still, the website is not the paper.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:39 AM
Jan 2022

Millions of us actually get a print newspaper on our doorstep every morning. The paper's website changes frequently. The printed paper does not.

gab13by13

(21,362 posts)
9. In one aspect it isn't,
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 08:54 AM
Jan 2022

a seditious conspiracy doesn't even have to be successful to be charged, the mere planning it is enough. They have plenty of communications between the Oaf Freepers where they are planning physical violence, planning to bring weapons to D.C.

I don't believe this case will be that difficult at all.

Response to live love laugh (Reply #4)

Farmer-Rick

(10,190 posts)
20. Yeah, they "say" it's hard to prove but a look the law doesn't support that
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:55 AM
Jan 2022

The federal law against seditious conspiracy can be found in Title 18 of the U.S. Code (which includes treason, rebellion, and similar offenses), specifically 18 U.S.C. § 2384. According to the statutory definition of sedition, it is a crime for two or more people within the jurisdiction of the United States:

To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against them; (to levy war does not mean to actually go to war with battles and such. It has more to do with people who are supposed to be loyal to the US, - like the president and Congress - not being loyal in upholding the Constitution.)

To oppose by force the authority of the United States government;

to prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States;

or

To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

Seems to me what with allllllll the videos and testimony, this is easy enough to prove. If it had been a group of Muslim men, no one would be talking about how difficult it is to prove.

I don't think it is about proving a clearly obvious case of sedition. It is about having the political will to prosecute. We still have a bunch of crazies as judges in this country who don't want to convict a bunch of white privileged men.

And the filthy rich made big money off Trump and his bafoons. So, they don't ever want to hold their little monsters accountable.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
32. That's why they spent a year building an iron-clad case.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:39 AM
Jan 2022

Captain Creeper is going down, along with plenty of his mateys. Aaaarrrrrrrgh.

gab13by13

(21,362 posts)
10. What happened in Michigan last night
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 08:58 AM
Jan 2022

will turn out to be a bigger event. The people who signed fake electoral college documents are going to lead us to the people who planned the coup, right to the top. Those people are facing serious jail time so one of them is bound to flip.

If I were John Eastman or Jeffrey Clarke I would be hiring bodyguards right now.

multigraincracker

(32,690 posts)
13. Looks like a try to steal the election.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:08 AM
Jan 2022

Then lie to cover it up.
This one is starting to look a lot like Watergate, even have a hotel room and a group of planners setting it up.

ashredux

(2,606 posts)
11. It has been hard to prove in the past.... it DOJ has RECEIPTS,
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:00 AM
Jan 2022

We didn’t have text messages before now…they have the encrypted messages as well as other cellphone data….many of those boys will be trying to it a deal….

multigraincracker

(32,690 posts)
14. Yep, sex sells papers.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:11 AM
Jan 2022

Make it a young girl or a dead boy in the sex story and it would be 24 hours of news about it.

ancianita

(36,099 posts)
15. I hear you. We'd love for them to have that priority, but they never have.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:24 AM
Jan 2022

How and why has the right wing biased, corporate owned media allowed the pro-corporate white supremacist Republican party, its funders, operatives and government tools gotten this far, right?

We're just not their audience. They're managing public perception and thought, and would never spotlight activity that leads the public to think the oligarchy is evil.

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
18. Front page of the New York Times
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:42 AM
Jan 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/section/todayspaper

Front page lead article in the Washington Post

https://www.freedomforum.org/todaysfrontpages/#DC_WP

Front page of the Los Angeles Times

https://www.freedomforum.org/todaysfrontpages/#CA_LAT

Front page of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution

https://www.freedomforum.org/todaysfrontpages/#GA_AJC

Shall I go on?

If you're referring to websites, that's because it ran yesterday, when it happened.

The embarrassing thing is all the "of course they didn't publish it" responses by people who didn't bother to check.

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
30. Because there are new stories to report and no new developments on the indictments
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:36 AM
Jan 2022

Which story should not be on the front page?

Response to mucifer (Original post)

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
23. 3 broadcast networkd playing it about 10-12 minutes into their half hours last night]
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:13 AM
Jan 2022

[They still have the relatively big audiences]

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
33. No need to prematurely alarm the next targets.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:42 AM
Jan 2022

Semi literates such as Trump might miss the story until it's too damned late.

Picaro

(1,521 posts)
28. On the front page of the Dallas Morning News
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:31 AM
Jan 2022

Stewart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers was arrested in Little Elm, which is only some 30 miles north of Dallas. So, pretty close to home.

And, to sweeten the day, there is a story to the left of it with this headline: Paxton must release records.Ken Paxton, our felonious state AG, was up to his eyeballs in the insurrection and appeared at the rally immediately preceding the assault on the Capitol. He is refusing to release his communications from last January. This is required by the Texas state open records law.

He, of course, will not comply and will be sued. Then he’ll have yet another legal issue to add to his collection.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
34. No, they are not really buried. However, newspapers
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:44 AM
Jan 2022

are not instant news. I read a major metro paper every morning. The stories are always stuff I read the day before on the web. However, they are more in depth than those internet news stories, which is why I get a print copy of the paper.

Most newspaper websites do not show you the actual pages of the print paper. Also, the website gets updated on a regular basis.

Those indictments will be big news for some time, but might not appear on front pages of newspapers or as the lead stories on TV news. It's a little hard to explain those indictments in brief, simple language. That's why you think it's buried. It's not, but it also doesn't lead.

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