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"Hey, did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" Belushi. No we didn't.
We are the Democratic party, the patriotic party fighting for democracy.
There are people here trying to divide us, trying to make us fight with one another.
Think about this; we are all for holding the people behind the coup responsible, every fucking one of us.
I say so what if I want DOJ to do more and someone else feels everything is going at the exact right speed. So fucking what? I don't feel any need at all to chastise people who feel that our DOJ is doing a fantastic job, I respect their opinion, as a matter of fact I hope they are right. On the flip side of the coin so what if people here like me expect Merrick Garland to do more, is that really a bad thing folks?
We are all in agreement, we want to see people held accountable, we want to see justice. Stop fighting with one another, we are all on the same page.
What happened with the arrests of the Oaf Freepers is an example of a fantastic job done by Merrick Garland, people aren't being charged with trespassing now but with seditious conspiracy. This may lead to taking down the people who were behind this, the people at the Willard Hotel, people like Bannon and Roger Stone.
I feel what happened yesterday in Michigan may be more significant. The AG of Michigan was ready to bring charges against the people who signed fake electoral college documents when she realized this went on in 4 other states which she feels is a conspiracy to overthrow our government. She filed a criminal referral with her regional US attorney, so now the Feds are obligated to pursue this.
These people who signed fake documents are going to be hit with serious jail time. These people are not unwashed Magats, one of them will flip and when they do it will lead us to the inner ring of the coup, right to the top to the planners of the coup. If I were Jeffrey Clarke or John Eastman I would be hiring a bodyguard right now. These people are going down as malaise reminds us and the shit is going to hit the fan right about election time.
Keep the faith and stay united. Everyone here wants the same end goal, don't argue with one another, argue the issues.
Peace.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)phylny
(8,380 posts)boston bean
(36,222 posts)Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, no?
yesphan
(1,588 posts)from the movie "Animal House".
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)it came from the movie Animal House (right) which John Belushi starred in. He gave a rousing speech to his frat members who had just lost their fraternity house.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)But wasnt sure it was that Belushi.
Thank you.
lastlib
(23,250 posts)boston bean
(36,222 posts)Sogo
(4,986 posts)as I was rather appalled that the OP was saying the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....
femmedem
(8,203 posts)Somehow I never saw Animal House.
Klondike Kat
(810 posts)N/T
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)People need to realize that the AG of Michigan has been working on this case for a year, and no one knew anything about it. See I am using the argument that we don't know what DOJ is doing. She was at the point of deciding what to charge these people with which is well along in the investigation. She has a years' worth of investigation she will turn over to the Feds. I guarantee these people are going to flip. We are going to find out who organized the fake electoral college documents in at least 5 states.
Thank goodness for the Michigan AG to realize the seriousness of what was happening. Those 2 brave women in Michigan, the SOS and AG may turn out to be the people who bring down the coup planners.
llmart
(15,540 posts)She's brilliant and relentless and not intimidated. So is our governor.
certainot
(9,090 posts)the people who signed those forged docs really screwed up and are going to squeal the most. if some were reluctant who did the persuading? were any calls made from the WH to persuade?
people warning of revolution and that this is going too slow got to remember stone and bannon etc and the others involved a lot of the more serious knuckleheads and now some are going to jail and some will squeal on each other and many will blame trump and his cronies for causing them to expose themselves and their little private armies, getting them on the radar, and getting all their favorite weapons confiscated. there are plenty of extremist idiots and assholes with guns but this insurrection shook out a lot of the crap
Escurumbele
(3,396 posts)Yes, many of us want results faster, seeing November 2022 approaching does send shivers up the spine when things have not been resolved and the criminals are not being held accountable. All those republican criminals must be indicted and prevented from running again. I am an optimist, so I am convinced we will see the buffoon trump behind bars this year.
Lets hope Garland has just opened the jar and we can see more to come.
Our job is to make sure that those who are on our side got out to vote in November, that we get a real majority on both houses, that we send many of the republicans to find other jobs away from office.
Butterflylady
(3,544 posts)Trash this thread button. I will not read any posts that mainly are doom and gloom threads. We are not defeatists. We may lose some battles, but in the end we WILL win the war.
Hitler and Mussolini had their days in the spotlight, but in the end they were defeated as all dictators are eventually.
Good always defeats evil, it may take time but it always is defeated.
I highly recommend this post.
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)is that how his name was spelled?
sarchasm
(1,012 posts)After finishing his time in the Army, Bluto married Mandy Pepperidge and became a Senator, eventually they became the President and First Lady of the United States.
XacerbatedDem
(511 posts)Jazz Jon
(109 posts)We will win in the end. Giving up only guarantees a loss. We need to keep pushing the voting protections. With enough sustained pressure, something will break our way.
LaMouffette
(2,037 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I am in the Garland-skeptic group, but beginning to see a tiny crack of daylight. I will remain patient with those who are happy with the leisurely pace; none of us actually gets to influence it anyway.
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)I looked up his bio, he fought for the little guy, he did an enormous amount of good in his life. He is being thrust into a damn scary situation. It isn't people here at DU who put any pressure on him but he got a lot of pressure from former Justice department officials to act. I feel that the Oaf Freepers flipping and I guarantee the people who signed forged documents are going to flip will change the narrative. People are going to see what Trump planned to do and Americans are not going to like it. People on Fox are not going to be able to say that 1/6 wasn't that bad, people are going to see that it was Republicans who committed fraud in the last election.
I watched the Michigan AG last night and she pointed out that the people who fraudulently signed their names as electors were the loudest voices claiming that the 2020 election was rigged while they were the ones doing the rigging.
I see big cracks in the Big Lie, it is going to be shattered.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)But I don't care, as long as Trump and his cronies get locked up until they can do no more harm.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot."
-- Attributed (falsely?) to Mark Twain
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)jaxexpat
(6,837 posts)Alliepoo
(2,221 posts)I really needed this!💕💕
IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,816 posts)although, I'm still sure many of these people are going to flee, (Stone, Bannon and probably Trump.)
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)KS Toronado
(17,263 posts)gab13by13
(21,362 posts)My little thread will pale in comparison to what the select committee is going to roll out on prime time TV.
The select committee can't indict anyone, but it can damn well show the people who need to be indicted.
The narrative is so important and cannot be underestimated. We need to make the narrative that the people involved in 1/6 were traitors, that's it, that's all we need to do. The narrative needs to be that the GQP backs traitors who are against the United States government. The narrative needs to be that the Democratic party is the patriotic party that is fighting to save our democracy.
This is what we need to do.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)higher ups in the fascist party lot of the food comes from Twitter and fb electoral criminal voter fraud by proxy of social media brainwashing.
Joinfortmill
(14,434 posts)karin_sj
(810 posts)I needed some encouragement this morning. Thank you for providing it, gab13by13!
highplainsdem
(49,005 posts)I'm old enough to remember a lot of situations that looked dire but improved later. So I'm not giving up hope.
And I've stopped listening to much of the commentary on cable news, instead relying on music to help me feel energized again when the punditry is operating as a maelstrom to drag us all down.
As for disagreements here -- DUers have always disagreed, on lots of topics (think of the Primaries forum). But from what I've seen over nearly 20 years here, most of us remember there's much more uniting us than dividing us.
So yes, keep the faith!
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)but Democrats are behind the 8 ball in that regards. The MSM is owned and managed by the right, and not just FOX. There has been a 3 month long narrative in the MSM that claims that president Biden is failing, including bogus polls.
I am optimistic because I believe the narrative can swing our way as people become aware that what Trump and his GQP allies tried to do is un-American and treasonous. The shift needs to be made that the Democratic party is the patriotic party fighting to preserve our democracy.
These traitors need to be scorned, need to be made toxic so that the MSM has no choice but to condemn them.
In the bible people with leprosy had to say "unclean," when approaching anyone, maybe we can get to the point where GQP politicians have to say, "traitor" when approaching anyone?
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)are indeed outmatched in the media, it's serious, poison. But onward we go, fight to protect democracy!
llashram
(6,265 posts)thank you. Your words can help to shore up the weak backbones.
CaptainTruth
(6,594 posts)If we want to save our democracy we MUST stay united.
Our enemies will stay united & they're formidable.
And we MUST out-vote them. If we fail to GOTV because we're too busy complaining about Merrick Garland or any other Democrat, or because we're too forlorn or despondent to muster the enthusiasm to GOTV with all our energy, Rethugs will win & it will be our own fault.
PLEASE don't let that happen folks! We've got a country to save!
United we stand, divided we fall.
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)it was a Republican president who said, "united we stand, divided we fall." The Republican party is no more.
Irish_Dem
(47,133 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)pandr32
(11,588 posts)Thank you!
c-rational
(2,594 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)ancianita
(36,098 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)ancianita
(36,098 posts)Support doesn't require agreement on how we get there.
There are no "better" Dems than other Dems.
On any Dem's worst day, the ones I disagree with the most are still better than any damn cucaracha Republican on their best pendejo day.
We are live-and-let-live, win-win people.
Somos Democratas juntos, diferentes pero unidos.
judesedit
(4,439 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)Despair and division is their goal. We can differ, argue our points, even demand things were passionate about, but to extrapolate destruction of the country out of our relative ignorance and their constant lies is to give in and make the likelihood of their success far greater.
Bless Blutarskys addled heart. He had it right. As do you.
Beastly Boy
(9,375 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:13 PM - Edit history (1)
He is not lazy, not incompetent, doesn't have alterior motives, doesn't impede the investigation, doesn't put our country and our democracy in peril, doesn't limit his investihation to low hanging fruit and small fish, doesn't need to be fired, doesn't need to be replaced... Did I get it all right? Yes?
Then, welcome back from your rabbit hole, Gab!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Bluesaph
(703 posts)We can debate and discuss without be angry.
We can ignore trolls instead of feeding them. Just hit alert.
We can be slow to alert on regular posters just trying to have conversation. Lets give the benefit of the doubt.
We are better than armchair activists. We are REAL activists. And as activists we need to ATTRACT people to our side of things. Not repel people by being bombastic know it alls.
BlueSky3
(514 posts)The situation in Michigan sounds interesting. I hope well be able to follow reports on it.
Alice Kramden
(2,166 posts)AmBlue
(3,111 posts)TEAM WORK MAKES THE DREAMWORK!!!!
UNITED WE STAND... DIVIDED WE FALL!!!
Never forget.... We Democrats are on the right side of history!!