The Seditious Conspiracy Indictments Truly Tell Us Something

[MineralMan]

It's a complicated crime, and a difficult one to report and explain on the news. However, it tells us that the Department of Justice is building cases connected to the January 6 insurrection at higher and higher levels. The DOJ is on the job.

More importantly, it demonstrates that complex leads are being followed and investigated. It also reveals that the DOJ, probably with the help of the FBI, has access to private communications between actors in the January 6 attack on Congress.

The more complicated the charges, the longer it takes to build a solid case to take to a grand jury to get indictments. As the investigations at the DOJ involve people higher up in the food chain, more and more evidence is needed to convince a grand jury to indict and to prepare solid cases to take to trial.

So, what we have learned from the indictments and arrests of these "militia" leaders tells us that the DOJ has the information it needs to get them indicted and arrested and to take to trials. The same evidence, along with other evidence, will inevitably lead to higher levels of people involved.

More time will be needed before we find out in the news that grand juries have indicted those higher level people. Meanwhile, the investigations and evidence gathering continues in the DOJ without attention from the news media. Under AG Garland's leadership, leaks have been shut down completely. We don't learn about grand juries until indictments are issued and people are arrested.

That's how it's supposed to work. Apparently, that's how it IS working.

[bluestarone]

1. Glad to give this the FIRST KICK!

AGREE 100%. Good things WILL come our way!

[MineralMan]

3. Yes. So I believe, as well.

It's still January. I think we are going to see an acceleration in DOJ activities in the first quarter of 2022. What does that mean? It means that the stories will continue to be on the front pages during this midterm election year. As more and more prominent players get sucked into the indictment and arrest cycle, it's going to get very interesting.

It's entirely possible that people we have long thought were untouchable will be exposed through these investigations. Not only exposed but indicted and prosecuted. At this point, only people who do not hold public office have been indicted. I think that will be changing before too long. I can't prove that, but that's the pattern that appears to be developing.

Already, one Republican member of Congress has resigned. Devin Nunes quit to go to work for Trump's phony social media venture. But, is that really why he quit? I don't think so.

We'll see.

[fightforfreedom]

35. We are witnessing an historic event.

Nothing like this has happened before. Even people who ignore the news will not be able to escape the truth. This is going to be a brutal year for the Republican party, for the Trump voters.

[MineralMan]

41. Yes, indeed. And the impact on the midterm elections is going

to be large, I believe. Republican office-holders who think loyalty to the Trump lie will help them are about to discover some new information about that.

I think all of this is going to become more and more clear as we move into 2022.

[lagomorph777]

2. Happy to agree with you!

[MineralMan]

4. Thanks. It's getting interesting, I think.

[Ohio Joe]

5. These are extremely serious charges...

We are one level up from their rabble rousers and they are being hit with sedition. We know the DOJ does not bring charges unless they can prove them and are confident of a conviction. Garland followed the evidence and made sure he could prove what he is charging. He will continue going up the ladder when these mid-level captains start spilling their guts in order to not die in prison... Then the same is done to the next level up.

Agreed, it takes time. I'm good with how the cases are proceeding.

[MineralMan]

6. Yes. The next level up are government officials.

I'll be watching for the first of those, probably not elected officials, but appointees, to get indicted. After them come people who hold elected office.

Garland is doing exactly what he said he was doing - starting at the bottom and working up to "all levels."

It should be fascinating to watch.

[L. Coyote]

34. I doubt any one of those charged gets off the hook, they already have an insider cooperating.

And they have an open and shut case so the best any of the indicted can hope for from cooperation at this point is some reduction of sentence.

The indictment states other persons known and unknown are involved in the conspiracy, so more people will be arrested, likely Roger Stone, one step away from #FailedCoupGuy.

This is life in prison serious for #FailedCoupGuy, but we already knew that on Jan. 6. What has changed is the loud knocking on his door.

Link to tweet

Indicted Oath Keepers were literally in FailedCoupGuy's tent before going to the Capitol!

Link to tweet

Was Stone's pardon a quid pro quo?

?1633745877

[Ocelot II]

7. There are a number of references to communication with conspirators "unknown to the grand jury."

That got my attention... There's much more to come, I think.

[MineralMan]

8. Oh, yes. Those conspirators weren't working in a vacuum.

There's more to come.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

9. As with losing weight, SLOW wins the day

The DOJ must be meticulous, cross every T, dot every I in order to prosecute a case that will result in a conviction in Federsl Court.

All roads lead to TDFG. Eventually they will and there will be NO lawyer willing to defend him lest they go down with him in reputation. Any lawyer willing to risk everything for a Dictator-wannabe is committing suicide in public.

[MineralMan]

13. Absolutely. That's why I have been advising patience with this.

As much as we all want to see perp walks at high levels, we must understand that such things take time and careful preparations. We'll get to see it happen, but not today or tomorrow. By Summer, though, we're going to see some very big names in the news being indicted, I predict.

[Stuart G]

20. Investigations take time..and given enough time....Wait..one moment?..Did Nixon resign the office...

of President of the United States?..

.How did that happen?..Was there an investigation? How long was that investigation?
Did someone "snitch" ?...Did that snitcher go to prison? Was he an insider?..
Was that person truthful?
How did they find that person?
Nixon said, "I am not a crook" ...Was he a "crook"?...Who says so?
Am I making this stuff about Nixon?
Did all of this become public knowledge or is it Stuart's Secret?
Is there somewhere that a neutral person can verify this stuff on ...Stuart's Secret?

[MineralMan]

21. LOL! Stuart's Secret, indeed...

[Cracklin Charlie]

10. Just my opinion...

The guys like pirate Rhodes are the guys I want to see face real consequences. These guys have been causing trouble for decades. They are the face of recruiting and organizing for the hate groups. Round them all up.

And then, go get their funders. Because, their activities are expensive, and someone is providing them the means to operate.

[MineralMan]

12. Yes. The next level up in the conspiracy, and the level above that

are the real targets here.

[MineralMan]

11. Further, the "Militia" Leaders Indicted and Arrested

are bound to include some who will roll over and tell what they know, in exchange for plea bargains that mean they don't get 20-year sentences for Seditious Conspiracy. There is "no loyalty among assholes."

They were communicating with people who were in communication with Trump. People like Meadows, Bannon, and others who were whispering in Trump's ear. Maybe even people like Tucker Carlson and Hannity, who also had Trump's ear.

This does not stop with the leaders of the Oath Keepers and other militia types. Nope. In fact, those people are all as likely to turn "State's Witnesses" as they are to be convicted. Those leaders know stuff, but are cowards at heart. Some of them will flip and sing veritable arias to the DOJ.

Keep watching.

[Ferryboat]

18. Those who cooperate early get the best plea deals

Those who take their time deciding to cooperate, not so much.

[Budi]

14. From a friend who lives on the same block as Rhodes.

While Rhodes was being arrested in a town south of Dallas, here's what went down at his home in a far North suburb of Dallas.

Reported by my friend who lives on the same block as Rhodes.
(A shock to her) 😬

As Rhodes was being arrested in Granbury Tx, she watched thru her window blinds in N Dallas burb as a barrage of ATF, police, Feds, unmarked vans, & police helicopters above surrounded Rhodes house, blocked the area, entered his house & after some time began hauling out boxes, computer equip, "stuff that looked like maybe weapons,
concealed" (?? Her description).

So the feds raided his home while Rhodes was being arrested elsewhere.

My point leads to your statement about info.

Imagine the data they will have availible from what was confiscated from the home of the top boss in this org.

Names, Businesses, Financials, Communications leading from the 1st day of organizing the insurrection to the year following.
This haul will take the case straight to the top, & every supremacist cell that went 'all in' for Jan 6.
How they got their financing, who moved in the top darkest circle (Flynn etc) & its all there in the files of the Mr Rhodes, now in the hands of Merrick Garland's DOJ.

This haul is a map to everyone & everything that made J6 happen.

(Just wanted to share this odd circumstance that my friend found herself in as she peered thru the window blinds in utter shock.
And to find out in the end that right there on the same block lived this guy!

[MineralMan]

15. Thanks for that information!

I did not know that they raided his home on a search warrant. Yes...I'm sure they gathered some interesting evidence that now must be closely examined. That will take some time, too.

[Budi]

16. Yup. They coordinated the raid with the arrest, it appears.

Makes sense to do it all in one big sweep.
No doubt they'd been tracking his movements & found the opportune tiime. No stand-off in a quiet family suburb with gunfire or such. No one got killed. Just grab him elsewhere & raid his house.
Stealth move there!

I'd like to see his reaction when he found out his house had been raided & confiscated.

[MineralMan]

17. That's pretty much SOP, I think.

They make an arrest and raid the place where stuff might be found. I'd love to see the search warrant.

[Budi]

19. Really! The search warrant.

[MineralMan]

24. I don't think we'll get to see it, but I'd love to.

[moondust]

22. Cracking the encrypted apps

could prove interesting. If ya know what I mean.

[MineralMan]

23. Oh, I think they're already cracked.

No Such Agency knows how to do that.

[moondust]

25. LOL

[Ford_Prefect]

26. Far more likely a cooperating informant gave it to them.

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Far quicker and more common.

Edit: By this I mean the encryption key was given to investigators. Probably along with documents and references.

[Beetwasher.]

32. Agreed, These Groups Have Been Infiltrated for Some Time

[Ford_Prefect]

36. You mean that wasn't a spin class they went to???

[tblue37]

43. But they also want documentary evidence.

[angrychair]

27. I agree MM

My greatest concern is that the clock is ticking...time is not our friend in this effort.
Not to mention that if we lose the WH in 2024 the new Republican president, especially if it's Trump, is likely just to pardon all of them.

This is great news but more and more Im starting to believe it's a lost cause in the end.
People like we have here DU and some on Twitter are the exception, not the rule. As a whole, this country is lazy and ignorant and they fight hard to keep it that way.

[MineralMan]

30. You know, all of us can be tellers of truth.

I suggest that we can be part of keeping it from being a lost cause. I think we must.

Keep the faith.

[angrychair]

33. I have my good days and bad days

I do try to be more positive than I sounded here but it's getting harder.

Thank you for trying to keep things positive!

[Tommymac]

28. Let us hope they come to a fruition before 2023.

If we lose either the House or the Senate in 2022 then all of these efforts will be squashed by the fascist majorities.

These cases are the only thing we have left to stop fascism after Sinema's traitorous break.

[MineralMan]

29. I think they will. Just watch.

[RFCalifornia]

31. Does anyone think otherwise?

This was a planned, failed coup, on several fronts, and like I always said about Trump's stupidity, it was the only thing that saved us

[Mr. Ected]

37. It's been mentioned before, but the fact that they were charged with seditious conspiracy

As opposed to, say, insurrection, is a big deal in itself.

Once light is shed on their crimes, the net of conspiracy will necessarily expand. There will be a LOT of people ensnared in it, many of whom will likely be very familiar names to us.

This is how democracy is defended - and retaken from the slugs who don't understand how our Constitution operates.

[MineralMan]

39. Yes, I agree. It also demonstrates what the DOJ

is thinking about with regard to their 1/6 prosecution plans. They're casting a very wide net.

[Hekate]

38. Kick!

[MineralMan]

40. Thanks, Hekate!

[ancianita]

42. K & R!