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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:57 PM Jan 2022

The Democrats are going to own the news cycle from now to the midterm elections.

That is good news for the elections this year. Probably next month the Democrats will start the open hearings into what is now called seditious conspiracy. The open hearings will most likely go on for months.

I believe trials begin in march for some of the Proud Boys and others. Bannon goes on trial this summer.

I think it's fair to say Garland is going to indict many more people this year.

The Republicans have no way to defend themselves against what is about to happen. All they can do is what they are doing now. Remain silent, refuse to cooperate.

It is a hell of a thing, an historic event, watching one of our major political parties completely destroy themselves. What the Republicans have done, are still doing is not sustainable. Even if they win some elections this year, they still lose, because it's not sustainable.

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The Democrats are going to own the news cycle from now to the midterm elections. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jan 2022 OP
Republicans destroyed themselves once before-- right after Nixon's disgrace. They... TreasonousBastard Jan 2022 #1
True, but this is much worse than what Nixon did. fightforfreedom Jan 2022 #2
True, but this is much worse than what Nixon did. fightforfreedom Jan 2022 #3
it was and still is the radio. limbaugh (and 600 stations) made gingrich, like he did TFG. reagan certainot Jan 2022 #49
This has the potential to disqualify the whole Republican Party. everyonematters Jan 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #17
The media own the news cycle. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2022 #5
Unfortunately, what the media says often becomes de facto reality. Poiuyt Jan 2022 #56
This assumes 2 things DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2022 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #19
Get ready with pop corn on election day in November 2022 at140 Jan 2022 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #24
My crystal ball sees a huge blue wave developing KS Toronado Jan 2022 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 2022 #54
Owning the news cycle is meaningless if voters don't care about the news brooklynite Jan 2022 #8
""DEMOCRACY" is not in the forefront of voters' minds" Blaukraut Jan 2022 #11
Perhaps so, but to get people to vote for Democrats NOW, focus on the issues they DO care about. brooklynite Jan 2022 #15
Agreed. But Democrats can't deliver on their promises right now. Blaukraut Jan 2022 #20
I disagree. SCOTUS and the Senate because of the filibuster aren't controlled by Democrats. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2022 #47
There is truth in your post...nt at140 Jan 2022 #53
How long did it take to turn the corner for Watergate? captain queeg Jan 2022 #9
Smart move to make the hearings public. It removes the Media spin. Budi Jan 2022 #10
You realize most people will never watch the hearings? brooklynite Jan 2022 #18
Of course. But more will watch & vids will be replayed across MSM & soc media. Budi Jan 2022 #23
You just complained about "media spin" and then said it would be shown on MSM... brooklynite Jan 2022 #27
The truth is also on Soc Media. They can debate against the truth all day long. Budi Jan 2022 #29
But the point is that most people won't be searching for it on social media or elsewhere. brooklynite Jan 2022 #30
That's wrong thinking. Most people? One would argue that point considering the drop in viewership Budi Jan 2022 #31
"I surely don't watch MSM as I used to" brooklynite Jan 2022 #32
You know this how? Budi Jan 2022 #39
Working in electoral politics for 45 years brooklynite Jan 2022 #41
I recall McGovern riding around in a tank.. Do you? They said the Democratic Party was destroyed? Stuart G Jan 2022 #12
Um, that was Dukakis. brooklynite Jan 2022 #16
OK...Got that one wrong, ..Ain't the first time, Ain't the last time.. Stuart G Jan 2022 #25
Dukakis rode the tank, McGovern was a WWII fighter pilot karynnj Jan 2022 #21
McGovern was a bomber pilot. DemocraticPatriot Jan 2022 #59
Thanks, I did not know there was a difference karynnj Jan 2022 #62
Last night on MSNBC all I heard was how Biden is weak and not getting anything done! BComplex Jan 2022 #13
If MSNBS keeps it up they're eventually going to be proven a bunch of liars. Budi Jan 2022 #28
I've been hearing a lot of that too, and their weird logic drives me crazy Poiuyt Jan 2022 #55
MSNBC is liberal leaning but cannot become a leftwing FOX radius777 Jan 2022 #58
Exactly. Perhaps that's why nothing much happened until MineralMan Jan 2022 #14
Not on Fox pandr32 Jan 2022 #22
Are you saying that Fox would ...LIE? HOW CAN THAT BE? Stuart G Jan 2022 #26
"Don't count your chickens before they hatch" left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #33
It's the economy, stupid FBaggins Jan 2022 #34
We need results before Nov 2022. Otherwise if the QOP wins the House OR Senate ... Tommymac Jan 2022 #36
Totally agree. Duppers Jan 2022 #51
Achievement by Lying isn't sustainable Roc2020 Jan 2022 #37
Sorry Friend Not In The Real World DanieRains Jan 2022 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #45
You're right. The truth will prevail in time. jaxexpat Jan 2022 #48
No The Media Is Only Talking About Biden Failing At Everything DanieRains Jan 2022 #38
The Republicans do have a way to defend themselves: FOX 24/7 Propaganda. Other than that, ... Hekate Jan 2022 #42
Which is one of the reasons Putin is making trouble in Ukraine. If Putin and the GQP can mess wiggs Jan 2022 #43
I do not share this rosy scenario bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #44
I don't quite share your optimism wryter2000 Jan 2022 #46
Plus the jobs and public works from the BIF passage! Nixie Jan 2022 #50
I do not buy into any scenario until it happens. I am one of those who saw... TreasonousBastard Jan 2022 #52
"We'll be happy to do the right thing as long as it doesn't cost Boomerproud Jan 2022 #60
I'm thinking they won't own today's... brooklynite Jan 2022 #57
We couldn't get people to watch the impeachment hearings forthemiddle Jan 2022 #61

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Republicans destroyed themselves once before-- right after Nixon's disgrace. They...
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:02 PM
Jan 2022

couldn't even pay the rent on their headquarters building.

Look where they are now. Some expert bullshit from Reagan and Gingrich solved that little problem.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
49. it was and still is the radio. limbaugh (and 600 stations) made gingrich, like he did TFG. reagan
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:58 PM
Jan 2022

and his admin were excused and reagan was deified by limbaugh

without limbaugh they're going to have a much harder time making believable excuses for the beautiful news coming out of the hearings and trials

trumpism, reaganism, gingrichsm and the new GOP all rot with limbaugh's dead ass

everyonematters

(3,433 posts)
4. This has the potential to disqualify the whole Republican Party.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:07 PM
Jan 2022

It could depend on how pervasive the involvement was from members of congress and the administration.

Response to everyonematters (Reply #4)

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,924 posts)
6. This assumes 2 things
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:09 PM
Jan 2022

One, that the media will actually give good coverage of all of this. And two, that voters actually care.

Response to DetroitLegalBeagle (Reply #6)

Response to at140 (Reply #7)

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
35. My crystal ball sees a huge blue wave developing
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:37 PM
Jan 2022

With more & more of the reQublicOn shenanigans seeing the light of day, independent voters will
be coming over to our side of the fence.

Response to KS Toronado (Reply #35)

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
8. Owning the news cycle is meaningless if voters don't care about the news
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:16 PM
Jan 2022

January 6 / voting rights / "DEMOCRACY" is not in the forefront of voters' minds (even Democrats)

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
20. Agreed. But Democrats can't deliver on their promises right now.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jan 2022

So how would you go about explaining that to voters without their eyes glazing over? All they care about is that Democrats control everything and still can't get anything done.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,435 posts)
47. I disagree. SCOTUS and the Senate because of the filibuster aren't controlled by Democrats.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:22 PM
Jan 2022

When one party disagrees with you if you say the the sun is hot it's awfully difficult to get things done. I think what's been accomplished by Biden/Harris is amazing.

captain queeg

(10,208 posts)
9. How long did it take to turn the corner for Watergate?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:17 PM
Jan 2022

I agree this is much worse. As the facts are laid out, at some point the dam will burst. At least I hope so, or it will be the end for the US as we know it. A great many rethugs were willing accomplices but I think the majority are just staying silent. Passive accomplices.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
10. Smart move to make the hearings public. It removes the Media spin.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:20 PM
Jan 2022

They either report what we all watch or prove they are liars.
All eyes will be on the hearings, not the 24/7 press spin.

Good call.
Hope it's shown on prime time

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
18. You realize most people will never watch the hearings?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:25 PM
Jan 2022

Even during Watergate, 2 of the 3 networks had regular programming each day.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
23. Of course. But more will watch & vids will be replayed across MSM & soc media.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:29 PM
Jan 2022

Which never existed in the days of Watergate.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
27. You just complained about "media spin" and then said it would be shown on MSM...
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:35 PM
Jan 2022

As for the internet, same problem. Most people won't go out of their way to watch them.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
29. The truth is also on Soc Media. They can debate against the truth all day long.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:42 PM
Jan 2022

Sure, but they cannot hide from it when its out there for all to see.

They will look less & less credible to more & more people.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
30. But the point is that most people won't be searching for it on social media or elsewhere.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:50 PM
Jan 2022

They'll rely on media reports which you feel will be "spun".

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
31. That's wrong thinking. Most people? One would argue that point considering the drop in viewership
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:04 PM
Jan 2022

I surely don't watch MSM as I used to & I'm clearly not the only one.

What's the point when the same parade of guests repeat the same prescripted talkingpts & we know they are clearly incorrect.

They aren't going to hide the truth of the committee hearings when it out there for us all to see

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
32. "I surely don't watch MSM as I used to"
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:24 PM
Jan 2022

You are spending time on a political blog. The average voter doesn't.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
41. Working in electoral politics for 45 years
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:53 PM
Jan 2022

And understanding the difference between politics in the blogosphere and politics in the real world.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
12. I recall McGovern riding around in a tank.. Do you? They said the Democratic Party was destroyed?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:21 PM
Jan 2022

Now that was a long time ago..Was it?.. One more question............................
...............................................................................................................

WAS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DESTROYED? yes or no?....end of discussion...

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
25. OK...Got that one wrong, ..Ain't the first time, Ain't the last time..
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:30 PM
Jan 2022

When they lose like that, are they always ....gone for good?...like Dukakis?

Has anyone made a terrific ...."COMEBACK" ...AFTER A GREAT LOSS?

ok...here is a clue...from Stu....that person said, "You don't have me to kick around anymore"...back to

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
21. Dukakis rode the tank, McGovern was a WWII fighter pilot
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jan 2022

in addition, McGovern was a soft spoken, well respected Senator. In 1972, Nixon et al smeared him with, I think, abortion, amnesty (for those who dodged the draft), and acid. They totally distorted who he was.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
62. Thanks, I did not know there was a difference
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:30 PM
Jan 2022

After seeing your post, I used Google and now understand that they are not at all the same. Thanks again for the correction.

BComplex

(8,053 posts)
13. Last night on MSNBC all I heard was how Biden is weak and not getting anything done!
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:22 PM
Jan 2022

I was about to throw something at the television when my husband put me in time out.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
28. If MSNBS keeps it up they're eventually going to be proven a bunch of liars.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:38 PM
Jan 2022

Because in the end, the truth WILL be revealed, & that goes for who they've been pitting against our Democracy, & why.

They're going to need another #cabocaucaus after this is over.

Poiuyt

(18,125 posts)
55. I've been hearing a lot of that too, and their weird logic drives me crazy
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:42 AM
Jan 2022

"Biden has great proposals, but Republicans keep blocking them. Biden must be a terrible president."

Hello? Maybe it's the Republicans who are the terrible ones!

radius777

(3,635 posts)
58. MSNBC is liberal leaning but cannot become a leftwing FOX
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 03:51 AM
Jan 2022

which simply presents a false reality to its viewers. Having an editorial slant is fine as long as it is tethered to journalistic integrity.

The fact is Biden's poll numbers are very low, for a variety of reasons some under his control some not.

Nicolle Wallace was talking about this on her show the other day, how some viewers get upset about her critique of the Biden Admin and Merrick Garland etc. But the coalition of voters (ie, 'the Resistance') that put Biden in the Whitehouse is in fact disappointed about how things are going and simply voices that frustration on shows like hers, which include on her panels everyone from former Repubs to moderates to progressives.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
22. Not on Fox
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:28 PM
Jan 2022

They'll likely show doctored videos of top Democrats appearing to slur their words and talk about how Biden's Administration is causing inflation.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
34. It's the economy, stupid
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:36 PM
Jan 2022

There is almost no chance that the news cycle is going to be dominated by trials for people that most viewers have never heard of if things like inflation and Covid are still worthy of headlines and others are screaming about the death of democracy as we continue to fail to pass major portions of the Biden agenda.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
36. We need results before Nov 2022. Otherwise if the QOP wins the House OR Senate ...
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:42 PM
Jan 2022

these will mean nothing and will get swept under the rug of fascism.

We need Some solid convictions of higher ups and some solid strong convictions with really harsh sentences or it will be just more kabuki in the long run.

Remember the Bush regime and all the criminals in it? Remember all those higher ups who served time?

Me neither.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
51. Totally agree.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jan 2022

I'm not that optimistic.

Too many watch Fux, are so gullible, & believe the propaganda.

Response to DanieRains (Reply #40)

jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
48. You're right. The truth will prevail in time.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:35 PM
Jan 2022

History now knows that the dehumanization of the Carthaginians by the Roman's was all a bunch of propaganda to force the senate to finance a war in which olive oil and quadreme dealers would be the only profiteers.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
38. No The Media Is Only Talking About Biden Failing At Everything
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:45 PM
Jan 2022

Bbb. Voting rights. Covid. Biden = Failure all I see on TV. The billionaires control the message and we never take them on. Ever.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
42. The Republicans do have a way to defend themselves: FOX 24/7 Propaganda. Other than that, ...
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:57 PM
Jan 2022

… you could be right.

I plan to be watching CSPAN and MSNBC. It is historic, and it is far worse than Watergate was.

One of the differences in the country, tho, is just how many media outlets there are, and the extent to which they just keep nattering, 24/7.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
43. Which is one of the reasons Putin is making trouble in Ukraine. If Putin and the GQP can mess
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:58 PM
Jan 2022

up the works long enough to take the house and senate, an impeachment will be in the headlines. Prob not successful, but...

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
46. I don't quite share your optimism
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:21 PM
Jan 2022

But neither can I buy into the pessimism you see here and elsewhere. I hope the committee strings the hearings out for a while so the issues aren't forgotten by November.

Welcome to DU.

Nixie

(16,954 posts)
50. Plus the jobs and public works from the BIF passage!
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 04:00 PM
Jan 2022

The funds are getting allocated and that means jobs!

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
52. I do not buy into any scenario until it happens. I am one of those who saw...
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:14 PM
Jan 2022

the administration of the Last American hero.

No, not Jimmy Carter, although he should be remembered at least as maybe the last honest man in the White House. Not even Obama, who was a magnificent mirror of our uselessness as a people, but could not support his momentum and lost the Congress.

Dwight Eisenhower, who defeated Hitler and had the misfortune to work with Stalin and Khrushchev while doing it. He also had the misfortune to accompany MacArthur on the Bonus soldiers putdown, and got caught with his balls hanging out when the U-2 was shown to the nation.

But he survived as one of the Great Leaders of one of the finest times the US has ever seen. Or ever will see.

And what happened? From the opiate of victory we elected him but refused to listen as we built the biggest war machine in history. We had the chance to have Cuba as an ally, but a fateful visit to the Soviet embassy by Castro killed that off as dead as the Kennedy who tried to resist the Soviet takeover.

All due to the American Experience-- We'll be happy to do the right thing as long as it doesn't cost us anything, or reduce our profit.

Never, ever, ask the American public to support a policy that might cost us a nickel in cash or inconvenience. Policies, no matter how useful, must never call for sacrifice, no matter how little.

Every President in my lifetime either did not do jack shit, or helped to destroy the best parts of the nation at the behest of politicians or profiteers who insisted that what was best for them was best for you and me. It was those politicians and profiteers of either party who could not imagine supporting what was the worst of America, from racism and hatred to selling us pure poison.

And we were dumb and lazy enough to put up with it.

Boomerproud

(7,955 posts)
60. "We'll be happy to do the right thing as long as it doesn't cost
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 10:41 AM
Jan 2022

us anything..." One for the ages! We are a nation of narcissists who love to pat ourselves on the back.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
57. I'm thinking they won't own today's...
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:18 AM
Jan 2022

Muslim pro-terrorist gunman takes jewish hostages and is killed by Texas police?

forthemiddle

(1,381 posts)
61. We couldn't get people to watch the impeachment hearings
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jan 2022

There were two impeachment trials, and you would be hard pressed to find people outside DU that could tell you what the Articles of Impeachment were all about, why will this be any different?
If someone doesn’t care enough to know about January 6th by now, I don’t think theses hearings will tilt the scale by much.
After all Netflix will probably have the next binge worthy cult classic (ie. the next Tiger King or Making a Murderer) by then.
People are no longer captive audiences, and at least 1/2 of the US see this as more political theatre.

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