I want you to think about this.

[Uncle Joe]

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[unweird]

1. Think, thinking, thunk

Drink, drinking, drunk

[Budi]

2. Mr Sanders has become a multimillionare repeating this for 5 years.

Meanwhile, ONE years time:

2021: THANKS PRESIDENT BIDEN 💙👍
* Wages up 4%
* Unemployment down to 3.9%
* Child poverty cut in half
* Free vaccines for everyone
* GDP up over 5%
* 6.4 million new jobs

[sheshe2]

4. Spot on, Budi.

[Budi]

9. Correction: 5 yrs ago the evil was "Millionares & Billionares"

In just a few short profitable yrs, I see the message has changed to just "Billionares".

[questionseverything]

79. Yea because some people couldn't understand the couple who had a house and retirement money

Were not the problem

[gldstwmn]

112. Bravo.

[FoxNewsSucks]

36. Sanders has worked harder than almost anyone

supporting Biden in those accomplishments.

If you want to bash someone, why not the two senators who are supposed to be in our party but are destroying Biden's work and success? Seems stupid to bash one of his key supporters instead.

[TheFarseer]

97. I just don't get the point of posts like this

Are you saying Bernie tweets populist stuff but then votes the opposite way to maintain his own wealth? If he said all this but then in fact voted to cut his own taxes, keep worker wages low and deregulate business in which he owns stock etc etc, then you would have a point. However, that's just not the case.

Also, I'm not sure how he goes about raising taxes on the wealthy and raising minimum wage for workers as a single member on Congress when at least a majority of the other members are being given lots of campaign contributions to NOT do any of that. At this point, I think he knows he's not ever going to be able to effectively fight income inequality but is still trying to raise awareness and change public opinion so that others will pick up the mantle.

[Budi]

98. "Two sides of the mouth" is the problem

That's populism.
He's become what he rallies against.

[TheFarseer]

99. I just refuted that in my post

But if he’s not your cup of tea, that’s fine.

[Budi]

100. It's the populist game. There is no defending it.

[TheFarseer]

101. Was FDR playing the populist game?

Can you be cis and be for gay rights? Or are you just playing a hypothetical game? I think we have a very fundamental disagreement.

[Budi]

102. No. We're now addressing 2 seperate issues.

There's a word for that.
I'll stick with my original point.

[questionseverything]

107. The obamas and the Clintons are each worth like 20-30 times what Bernie is

Is that evil too?

[sheshe2]

3. My mom is still alive at 95.

My dad was 93. My grandparents all well into their 90's. Not one of them was rich, yet lead a full rich life.

[Uncle Joe]

5. I'm happy for you and your mom,

however if you google "poverty's effect on life expectancy" you will see that's far more often not the case.

[Budi]

7. My parents were the same as Sheshe's. Their values in life wen't money driven

There are many with those same values today.

[Uncle Joe]

8. Are you suggesting people trying to escape poverty are just "money driven?"

[Budi]

10. Not what I sad UJ. That's your spin on my statement.

[Uncle Joe]

12. The subject was "poverty's effect on life expectancy,"

it's a death sentence, poverty takes 10-15 years off life expectancy, do you dispute that?

[Budi]

15. My statement was about Sheshe's statement on her parents.

They were wealthy enough to be were content without being "Millionare" driven, either.

C'mom. A multimillionare made his wealth issuing statements to media about poverty.
Guess they should all just "Write a book, they too can be a millionare!"

As a Senator he has long held the power to write a bill.
Did he?

[Uncle Joe]

17. So are you suggesting Bernie is lying about poverty's effect on life expectancy?

Do you believe poverty has an adverse effect on life expectancy to the more affluent?

[sheshe2]

20. That is not what Budi said.

You know that.

[Budi]

21. Rofl... Well? Show me his legislative effort to ending poverty

How many bill's has he written or sponsored in the 30+ years he's had to do so?

I'm not waiting forever...it should be easy to pull up.

[Uncle Joe]

23. Is he lying about poverty's effect on life expectancy?

[Budi]

30. Haa. Anyone can generalize an issue.

It's what their passion for correcting the issue thru the works they do that tells the story.

He's had 30+ yrs to write a bill addressing poverty.
Show me his legislative record.

[Uncle Joe]

35. Here is that link again

Does poverty decrease life expectancy?
The gap in life expectancy between the richest 1% and poorest 1% of individuals was 14.6 years (95% CI, 14.4 to 14.8 years) for men and 10.1 years (95% CI, 9.9 to 10.3 years) for women. Second, inequality in life expectancy increased over time.

The Association Between Income and Life Expectancy ... - NCBI

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4866586/

[Budi]

38. And? So he googled it. What's his 30+ yr legislative record addressing his concerns for poverty?

Thanks for the source.

[FoxNewsSucks]

31. Uh, if they were "wealthy enough to be content", then they were NOT impoverished.

Some of the posts on this thread are truly embarrassing to be coming from liberal democrats. I generally assumed that most here were liberal and/or democrats. This is sort of thing rightist scum point to when they say we are "jealous of success". I thought many despised Sanders because he had the temerity to challenge presidential candidates when it was their turn. Looks like some are also envious of an 80-year-old who, late in life, achieved success.

The bulk of what put him over the "millionaire" status was a book deal, and inherited real estate.

And, on the original topic, impoverished people have shorter lifespans than billionaires and even the contentedly wealthy. For a variety of reasons that are often discussed here. It's a shame that hatred of Sanders has blinded some to fact.

[Progressive Jones]

94. Thank You. nt

[myohmy2]

115. thank you...

"... has blinded some to fact."

...and it's the blinding to fact that helped bring us trump...

...ignoring what the majority knows to be true will not bring us success...

...Bernie speaks the truth...

...I see no lie...

[sheshe2]

19. So do police killings of young black people by police.

it's a death sentence, police takes 10-15 years off life expectancy, do you dispute that?

We have some amazingly positive verdicts for a change. Amazing verdicts for life without parole when white citizens chased down Ahmaud and cornered him like a animal and shot him to death. George had his neck knelt on for over nine minutes.

Poverty is not the only thing that will shorten ones life, especially if you are black.

[Budi]

24. Good point Sheshe.

Waiting for a reply as we dive into issues of poverty beyond a 5 yr stump speech.

[sheshe2]

11. Yet his statement is absolute.

[Uncle Joe]

14. Life expectancy for wealthy over those suffering from poverty is "roughly" 15 years longer

I believe the latest studies support that.

[Budi]

25. Appreciate a source for these statistics. Thanks

[Uncle Joe]

29. Here is one

Does poverty decrease life expectancy?
The gap in life expectancy between the richest 1% and poorest 1% of individuals was 14.6 years (95% CI, 14.4 to 14.8 years) for men and 10.1 years (95% CI, 9.9 to 10.3 years) for women. Second, inequality in life expectancy increased over time.

The Association Between Income and Life Expectancy ... - NCBI

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4866586/

[Budi]

33. Is that where he sourced his 5 yr million$$ statement?

Easy peasy.

[Budi]

6. 🍃

[sheshe2]

13. ;)

[Drunken Irishman]

34. My parents are both dead.

My dad was a Vietnam Veteran who died at the age of 58 due to complications related to Agent Orange.

My mom nearly made it to 71, but died on Christmas Day, 2020, just days before her 71st birthday. She died from cancer.

They definitely weren't rich.

My mom's death happened very suddenly (well so did my dad's). I won't blame that on working class life since it was advanced pancreatic cancer that went undetected.

But my dad's death? That was absolutely a result of growing up poor as he joined the military to get out of his lot in life.

[questionseverything]

43. Your folks aren't poverty stricken, correct?

Their long lives actually proves the point
That poverty tends to reduce life spans

[sheshe2]

50. My dad was declared indigent when he entered the nursing home.

Less than 10k to his name. You tell me.

He would have been home with us until his death had it not been for a stroke, ALZ and suicide attempt.

You tell me if he was rich. PS. My parents were divorced eons ago. Mom has a grand total of 30K to her name. That would be gone in two weeks of putting her in a nursing home. Then would be declared indigent. We are saving the taxpayers millions by keeping her here these last 4 years. 24/7 for for years. BS said he would help home care workers, where is the bill? I haven't had a paycheck in 4 years now and can't even get a part time job to supplement my income. I live on SS. Period.

[questionseverything]

52. I didn't say rich, I said not poverty stricken

Big difference

Poverty stricken is you are late with rent and electric bill and hungry

[sheshe2]

56. Poverty is more than that.

Me, not late for my bills, yet in NE keep my heat at 59 degrees unless it is only a few degrees outside. I buy minimal food and only what is on sale. I eat one meal a day.

I live on SS.

[questionseverything]

65. I thought your mom owned her house, I apologize if I have gotten your situation wrong but

You shouldn’t be missing meals.

[sheshe2]

68. No, my sister owns the house.

My mom lives downstairs with her now and it cost me 1500 that I did not have to come here and take care of my mom. I live in the apartment over the garage and pay limited rent. It is just my sister mom and me.

I heat and eat what I can afford.

TY.

[questionseverything]

71. It's more you are impoverished than your mom ($30,000)

I understand that’s not a huge savings but it’s not impoverished

This is just for the sake of debate over the poverty shortening your life point

It has nothing to do with you personally, you are good people, don’t mean to offend, just debate

[sheshe2]

78. You do not offend me, guestioneverything.

The debate, she was taken off Hospice, she was not dying fast enough. Her med prices have tripled. 30k won't last long.

She will be back on hospise soon. She is slipping away.

[questionseverything]

80. While you never get enough time with a parent, 95 is a good long life

Clearly when your mom still has $30,000 in savings at that age she didn’t live an impoverished life

If you are starving yourself by missing meals to care for your mother while your sister gets her house that sounds like you are being taken advantage of

With the kind of resources you describe no one should be going hungry

[sheshe2]

87. Wow.

While you never get enough time with a parent, 95 is a good long life

Yes it is a good long life. However your comments hurts.

Clearly when your mom still has $30,000 in savings at that age she didn’t live an impoverished life

My mom worked until she was 70 years old.


Mom is not impoverished. Never said she was but far from wealthy. One visit to the hospital will wipe that out.

I remember hearing rants about millionaires and billionaires. Millionaires was dropped and many here said being a millionaire really isn't all that rich. It was said here. So 30K in savings is rich?

[questionseverything]

89. Not rich but not impoverished

Impoverished people die 10 to 15 years earlier than non impoverished people

That’s what Bernie’s tweet said and of course it’s true

Not that anyone asked but you have had your mom 32 years longer than i had either parent… and we were far from impoverished but do I think the back breaking physical work they did led them to an early grave?

Probably didn’t help

As for the millionaire/ billionaire thing, someone that has accumulated a couple million dollars because they own their house , maybe a vacation home and a decent retirement, they are not the problem and shouldn’t be the target of tax increases

But someone earning 20-30 million a year and for sure the billionaires earning that much a day… they are the ones whose taxes I want increased

The references have switched to billionaires because some people don’t seem to understand the difference

[Me.]

84. What's With All The Debate And Judgment?

Last edited Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:24 AM - Edit history (1)

How poor, or impoverished, is poor or impoverished enough to suit some people?

[sheshe2]

86. Thank you, Me.

To worn out and tired to debate them any more.

[Me.]

91. Clearly, It Has Been A MOst Challenging Time For You

and you should be able to come here and not be shamed. You're a lovely light she and my 💛💚💗 is with you.


corrected the sp. in my post above.

[Farmer-Rick]

74. A lot of seniors who are too poor to even afford food

Attempt suicide. That was what Social Security was suppose to fix. Seems suicide in the elderly is on the rise in the US again. The thing with elderly folks is they are frequently so sick and around so much medication that it is very difficult to account for their suicide.

But the value of Social Security, eversince Raygun, has declined. And now they take out heavy taxes and payments for Medicare out of it. (Someone had to pay to shoot off billionaires into space.)

So now the elderly not wanting to be financial burdens on their families, revert to extreme measures.

[Act_of_Reparation]

70. Quaint, but irrelevant.

Two people do not a statistical sample make.

[George II]

16. What does any of this have to do with being a Senator from Vermont?

[Sympthsical]

18. Wow, this thread got so tone deaf so quickly

Some people hate Bernie and have to say so at every opportunity. Fine. The sun also rose in the east today.

However, the total lack of care or empathy for the poor on display.

Priorities once in a while, eh?

Vile.

[FoxNewsSucks]

22. Sanders dared to challenge establishment presidential candidates

when it was their "turn". He'll be hated by their fans forever. Never mind that he's worked for decades on the side of labor. Never mind that he campaigned his ass off for Clinton and never mind that he's worked harder than damn near anyone supporting Biden and Biden's agenda.

It's a shame they can't re-direct their ire toward a couple of supposedly-democratic Senators who are working their asses off AGAINST Biden and working Americans.

[Budi]

26. Questioning his statement is now "Hate"?

[Sympthsical]

48. What is being questioned?

Are you saying the poor and working classes do not have a lower life expectancy?

Because that lack of knowledge would be . . . odd in a Democrat.

[George II]

28. "Lack of care or empathy for the poor on display"? That's a rather broad brushed accusation.

[Sympthsical]

49. Actually, it's a rather pointed one

Placed exactly where intended.

[George II]

55. In that case, pointed toward whom?

[Sympthsical]

59. Poverty is a life and death struggle

As we can see in data about life expectancy. It is right and proper to highlight it and take the topic seriously as liberals and Democrats who care about the social and economic issues of the day.

Unfortunately, so many conservatives and Republicans seek to distract commentary on this most pressing of issues with internet smokescreen meant to redirect, deflect, and distract from the problems at hand.

Whether or not it is out of callousness, myopia, or a malevolent disregard, one cannot say.

But it is a shame when conservatives do these things.

[George II]

60. Yes, and some of us do something about it, some of us talk about it. I'm the former, not the latter.

On the other hand, I don't see any of those conservatives or republicans that you refer to in this thread.

[Sympthsical]

63. Windex

Gets smudges out a mint.

[George II]

66. I'm guessing there's an insult hidden in there.

[Nixie]

95. Do you think this is why Bernie lost twice with

Democrats? Maybe trying to rub the Windex backfired on voters.

[Sympthsical]

96. Oh!

Oh dear.

[Nixie]

120. What?

[Sympthsical]

121. Not a thing

It's Sunday, so I also called my mother. Productive day.

[mountain grammy]

58. so true and thank you..

I'm glad people have their parents for so long. I wasn't that lucky, not even close, and poverty had everything to do with it..
Not being rich is absolutely nothing like being poor. Sad and hateful comments from people who will say anything just to make points bashing the Senator who understands that simple fact.

[Sympthsical]

61. Sometimes it's luck or genes or healthy living. Sometimes, it's just plain money.

My mom is currently 85, and her parents and sister died in their 50s from cancer. I wouldn't call hers the healthiest lifestyle I've ever witnessed, but she keeps truckin. I think it's because she's crazy diligent about her medical care. She felt chest pains, boom, ER. Triple bypass. She gets mammograms right on schedule. Boom, caught breast cancer early.

And she can do that because she had amazing insurance through my dad's union.

If she had not had that insurance and that level of care, I may not still have her around.

[mountain grammy]

81. That's great for your mom and you.. hope she "keeps on truckin.."

yes, luck and genes play a big part. Lot of longevity in my husband's family, mine not so much. I had one aunt that made it to 83 but my mom barely made 75 and we lost dad when he was just 42. Grandparents died in their 60's.

David Koch was diagnosed with prostrate cancer and given just a few years to live. He lived for 27 years. I would say that wouldn't have happened without an infinite supply of money.

[WarGamer]

27. I don't undestand why it's mostly Bernie carrying the banner for the poor...

Joe ran on reforming SS to help people receiving "cat food" sized benefits...

I haven't seen the Bill advance beyond the introduction phase.

[George II]

32. What bill is that you're talking about?

[WarGamer]

39. An amazing piece of legislation...

I hope it doesn't get swept under the rug and die.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5723

[George II]

45. Well that's John Larson's House bill, not Sanders' bill. Is there a companion bill in the Senate?

By the way, Larson can be a little blustery (he's a frustrated "Chris Dodd" type) but he's been very effective and gets out in the district more than most, not afraid to schmooze with the people.

There wasn't a live one in 2020, but I was a delegate to his previous three nominating conventions.

[Budi]

37. Show me his 30+ yrs legislative record to back up his 'concern'.

Still waiting....

[LetMyPeopleVote]

85. I am curious about this also

Where are Sanders' legislative accomplishments that support these claims?

[Budi]

40. LOL. cuz NO ONE has carried a banner for the poor but him?

No one Ever? No one?

Jfc

Trash thread.
🙄

[WarGamer]

41. He's publicly talking about it MORE than anyone I can think of...

There are MANY people on the right side of the issue... look at the sponsor list here

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5723

[Budi]

42. And in just a few short years, he's become a multimillionare for it.

Wow.

Trash thread
Bye

[WarGamer]

44. I'd guess that 95% of people who have earned the same annual income as Bernie...

are also millionaires.

1 million dollars for a 70+ year old person who'd made 100k, 200k a year for decades... will do it.

[George II]

47. But 5 years ago he reported a net worth of between $500-$850K.

[George II]

46. Again, that's a house bill, and he's not on the sponsor list for that.

[Uncle Joe]

51. Thanks for the addition WarGamer

[George II]

53. That's Congressman Larson's HOUSE bill.

[Uncle Joe]

54. I don't care whose bill it was, WarGamer was contributing to the subject.

[George II]

57. Not exactly the subject, but then, where is Sanders' bill to help poverty and protect SS benefits?

[Uncle Joe]

69. Yes he was the subject of "poverty's effect on life expectancy" that's the subject

of this OP whether you want it to be or not.

George, do you dispute that poverty decreases life expectancy by 10-15 years?

[George II]

73. No, I don't dispute that. But there's talking about it and there's doing something about it....

I choose to do something about it. I guess that's the way I was raised.

I could go on and on about what we (parents and siblings) have done to help the poor, materially. WE all believe in charity and helping those less fortunate.

[Uncle Joe]

76. You are doing something about it George,

you're trashing a messenger on a subject that you don't dispute, that poverty can shave 10-15 years off life expectancy.

Kudos on your family helping the poor.

[George II]

77. Once again, talking is not doing. We prefer to do, but that's just us. And we DO believe in charity!

[TexasTowelie]

62. I'm certain that the citizens of Sierra Blanca are in complete agreement with Bernie on this one. nt

[sheshe2]

64. Ouch.

[betsuni]

67. Good point.

[George II]

75. Bazinga!

[cliffside]

92. Is this what you are referring to? Biden also voted for the bill ...

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=2&vote=00255#position

As did the majority of dems in the house
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/1998/roll344.xml

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-sierra-blanca-nuclear-waste/

If there is something else to which you are referring, please post, thx.

[TexasTowelie]

93. Yes, the bill that Bernie co-sponsored.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/8/1481494/-Sierra-Blanca-Bernie-Sanders-Paul-Wellstone-a-Poor-Minority-Community-and-a-Nuclear-Waste-Dump

You might want to read towards the end of this article which was published in the Texas Observer.

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There may have been other Democrats that supported this legislation (I doubt any were from Texas though), but Bernie co-sponsored the bill which is one of the reasons why Bernie did so poorly in the Texas primaries in 2016 and 2020.

Pushing off your state's nuclear waste onto people who didn't even receive the benefit of having electrical power from the nuclear generation shows an indifference to the plight of the poor despite how people (including those from snopes.com) might attempt to rationalize it.

ETA: The area that was proposed for the nuclear dump is in an area that has become seismologically active. Oops!

[Budi]

103. Yes. It was the Real Progressive Party champ, Sen Wellstone, who argued against Sanders on Sierra B.

It's like the gross insulting "Rape Fantasies" doc he thought so highly of he sought to have it published. Then yrs later sold himself as an advocate for women's rights.
"He's been fighting for women's rights His Whole Life!" They chanted ... while his mea culpa was simply to brush it off as "dumb"

WOW 👎
Populism.

[questionseverything]

106. So are you equally upset with the president and other democrats

Or does your ire only include Bernie?

[TexasTowelie]

111. I'm not happy with any of the Democrats that voted for the bill.

Thank goodness the Texas regulators put a stop to that ill-conceived plan.

BTW, the Sierra Blanca issue was the first time that I ever heard about Bernie Sanders. I actually recall reading that article from the Texas Observer in my office. All of us only get one chance to make a first impression and unfortunately the first impression that I had of Bernie was negative. Nothing that has happened since then has convinced me to change that opinion of him.

Does that answer your "gotcha" question since you pose those to me every time that I give my honest opinion about Bernie?

[questionseverything]

114. I just feel if you can let Biden off the hook for a vote 24 years ago

Perhaps you could do the same for all the senators in our democratic coalition

If that feels like “gotcha”, so be it

[TexasTowelie]

117. Bernie co-sponsored the bill, Biden didn't.

It's that simple despite what you may feel.

[questionseverything]

118. I support everyone in our democratic caucus

Even when I don’t feel they are perfect 👍

[TexasTowelie]

119. I support Democrats that don't criticize other Democrats. nt

[questionseverything]

110. That you have to go back 24 years to find

“Dirt” is actually quite an accomplishment on Bernie’s part

[TexasTowelie]

113. Read the above post

and you will understand why I went back 24 years. It's because his actions made a negative impression on me.

[betsuni]

72. "Republicans, I want you to think about this" would be nice.

[Emile]

82. This is the message that will resonate with the working class! K&R

[Uncle Joe]

83. I believe so as well Emile

[brooklynite]

88. Okay, I've thought about it. Now what?

Does he have a policy to implement and a strategy to get the policy passed in the Senate?

[questionseverything]

90. The bbb was the policy most democrats wanted implemented

I believe president Biden is still trying

Right?

[Uncle Joe]

105. No doubt questioneverything, if those "populists"

Manchin and Sinema hadn't been gumming up the works, I believe Build Back Better would be passed and Republicans would be on the ropes.

[questionseverything]

108. Yep, democrats don't lack legislation or ideas

I don’t understand manchin/sinema not supporting president Biden’s policy

I am proud of Bernie for supporting Biden and hope our two lost senators come around at some point

[Uncle Joe]

109. I don't get it either, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Budi]

104. Nope. Never has. But that's populism.

Populists don't actually do the work it takes to affect change.
5 yrs later, no bill written but by god, he's a multimillionare!

Profiteers of Talk is the only tool of a populist.