Good thread on how the coup was supposed to play out

[EleanorR]

I would wedge in this quote from trump in his call to Rosen and Donoghue-

During the December 27, 2020, call, Trump pressured Rosen and Donoghue to falsely declare the election "illegal" and "corrupt" even after the Justice Department had not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud.

"Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen," Trump said on the call, according to Donoghue's notes.

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[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Indicting the fraudulent electors is key

If even one of them flips and confirms that Eastman’s blueprint guided them, Eastman is going away for a long, long time…unless he flips on Trump.

[brooklynite]

2. Not overly impressed by a "theory" that ends with.....

"I’m not sure what was supposed to happen at this point." Seems like pure speculation.

[Downtown Hound]

6. This is the Trump administration we're talking about here

They probably didn't have a plan beyond this. They're not exactly known for being deep thinkers. I think at this point they were pretty much just trying anything they could and hoping that something worked.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. Agree. Was the key that at that point trump absolutely knew

That pence didn't leave the capitol which would have allowed grassley to finish the plan? And that trump knew that and reluctantly called them off when he told them to go home? IOW was the key to the whole thing the fact that they couldn't kidnap pence?

Kidnapping pence would have been the most extraordinary high crime ever. Perhaps someone convinced Trump that that was going to far?

[DENVERPOPS]

22. Pence

had finally realized that he was toast in the giant plan of things. That is why Pence absolutely refused to get into the escape vehicle with "agents" he didn't know, or recognize. Probably the smartest thing he ever did.........

Trump wanted him taken out, so Trump could win, and then appoint one of his Loyals to the VP position??????

The one thing I would have liked to have seen, was the group that were going after Pence get anywhere near him. The Secret Service's reaction would have "been drop them where they stand"........

I still don't think the majority of the people in the U.S. realize just how close the Republicans came to overturning the U.S. Government.

And I really don't think that the people realize that the Republicans and Trumphumpers don't plan on losing the 2022 & 2024 elections.
This time, they won't make any of the mistakes they made in 2020.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. You just made me think. Remember how grassley actually

Said that pence would NOT be there on 1-6? Made me wonder - what if there was a plan for pence to not even be there. Like HE was considering that... Not going at all. Guess it does matter other than the guilt of obviously knowing.

[dchill]

10. The "key" was, of course, for Pence to "do the right thing."

The problem for Trump & Co. is that he did.

[Justice matters.]

13. Seditious conspiracy does not need to be successful to be a felony.

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18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

The conspiracy itself is a criminal act: It being successful or failing is irrelevant.

[Kid Berwyn]

3. "A vast right wing conspiracy."

[mahina]

28. The artist perfectly captured the soulless eyes

Vacant stare
Lights are on but nobody’s home

[EleanorR]

4. Eastman lays out what happens at the end

Edited to add Tribe's response.

3.At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States,
there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That
means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th
Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been
advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the
electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for
Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior
position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th
Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the
matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the
representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently
control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote.
President Trump is re-elected there as well.

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[L. Coyote]

5. Christopher Miller has met with the Jan. 6 Committee.

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[homegirl]

7. Panoramic view of D.C.

looks like more people were there than for TFG's inauguration.

[Mr.Bill]

9. I just can't believe the astounding stupidity

of people thinking that taking control of one building would put them in control of the most powerful nation in the world. They could have burned that building to the ground and Joe Biden would still have wound up President. Characters in Bugs Bunny cartoons are smarter than these idiots.

[gab13by13]

11. Lawrence Tribe explained how it could have worked.

[Not Heidi]

12. Just reading this has

brought back the anxiety of that day, full force.

[peggysue2]

14. Yes, all of this was orchestrated bc these maniacs counted on winning the day

They came close and may have succeeded had Antifa and other protestors shown up, had Pence decided to go along to get along, had the former guy taken Flynn's suggestion about implementing the Insurrection Act.

The pieces of the puzzle were there and ready to be glued into place.

This was a conspiracy to bring down the structure(s) of our democratic Republic.

Lock 'em Up!

[EleanorR]

15. And Clark knew about the fraudulent ballots

By referencing them in his letter he attempted to put the DOJ stamp of approval on them.

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[Kaleva]

16. A problem with this is that 7 states did not submit dual slates of electors.

"STEP 1: John Eastman concocts a “legal blueprint” whereby VP Pence elides the requirements of the Electoral Vote Act based on 7 states submitting dual slates of electors, allowing Pence to either count the alternate slate or not count those states at all "

It was reported over a year ago that the votes of thiese fake electors carried no legal weight.

"Posted: Dec 14, 2020 / 04:22 PM PST / Updated: Dec 14, 2020 / 11:37 PM PST

"I-Team: Nevada Republican electors cast symbolic, meritless votes for President Trump

by: David Charns

Posted: Dec 14, 2020 / 04:22 PM PST / Updated: Dec 14, 2020 / 11:37 PM PST

LAS VEGAS (KLAS) — Hours after Nevada’s six electors cast their votes for President-elect Joe Biden through the official state process, the Nevada Republican Party’s six electors signed paperwork signaling their support for President Donald Trump in a symbolic ceremony devoid of any legal merit."

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/politics/i-team-nevada-republican-electors-cast-symbolic-void-votes-for-trump/

""ELECTION 2020|Dec 14, 2020,11:31am EST|60,045 views
Trump Campaign Assembling Alternate Electors In Key States In Far-Fetched Attempt To Overturn Election

Alison Durkee


Election law experts dismissed Miller’s comments as having no effect on the election outcome, saying Trump’s slates of electors will have “no legal authority” that compels Congress to accept them over the certified election results showing Biden’s win."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/14/trump-campaign-assembling-alternate-electors-in-key-states-in-far-fetched-attempt-to-overturn-election/?sh=2f8742203213

[Escurumbele]

17. They are forgetting that part of the plan was to remove Pence from the Capitol

as well as Congress officials, that is why they sent a limousine to pick up Pence and some buses to carry out the Congress officials.

They wanted to stop the count and the process.

[leftieNanner]

20. And Pence would not get in the car.

He did not trust whoever was driving. Imagine his thought processes for a minute.

[Gaugamela]

18. Alternate Plan (in addition to the above):

The pipe bombs go off, which Trump blames on Antifa (but counter protesters failed to show up). Trump sends in the National Guard to “protect” the Trump supporters (but the generals refused to authorize it, seeing through Trump’s plan) and invokes the Insurrection Act. If Trump is not installed via the forged electoral certificates, then Trump’s cabal stalls and creates enough mayhem to shut down the counting process in Congress, and sow enough doubt to throw the election to the house.

[Cha]

19. Rt TY Bookmark for later!

[DanieRains]

21. Yes Will Read Later

Traitors.

[Takket]

23. the part she is missing......

The Atlantic wrote an extensive article about a month ago on this plot.

the part she's missing at the end was that Jan 6 had a lot to do with BUYING TIME. drumpf was working hard on states he lost with rethugs controlled legislatures to try and convince them to throw out the results and submit the drumpf electors instead (at that time the fact a fraudulant slate of electors had been generated wasn't known yet, at least not to the person who wrote the article). At first he was getting little support but as time went on and they pushed the big lie, more rethugs were coming on board. Unfortunately they just ran out of time and Jan 6 came up. So they needed to STOP the process, get more time to pressure the states, and come back later with enough electoral votes that drumpf would win.

That's why Cruz, who was integral to the coup, proposed a "ten day delay to review fraud allegations." We all know that is nonsense. You can't audit for fraud in 10 days. He was trying to buy drumpf time.

We now know the Oath keepers once inside planned to smuggle in weapons to control the capital to prevent it from reconvening.

That's why they wanted Pence taken away so he couldn't reconvene and finish the count.

It's unclear where exactly this broke down and they decided to pull the plug. Maybe it was because Pence stayed? Or the Capital police were more efficient protecting congress than they expected? Something went wrong and after hours of letting drumpf's insurrection go on, finally it was shut down.

There is more to come out on this........

[Kaleva]

25. That was the plan as I understood it based on various new reports at the time.

[dalton99a]

24. Kick

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. Interesting fact... Read that trump wasn't even going to speak at rally

And he only decided a couple days before and really surprised organizers. Don't know if that means anything one way or another - just interesting. He invited his hate groups back in Dec.