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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHundreds of Trump Voters Are Dying Every Day
Virtually all are adults. If 95 percent were unvaccinated and we assume that 75 percent of those were Trump supporters, thats 1,300 to 1,900 of his voters being subtracted from the rolls every single day.
Donald Trump lost Arizona by a mere 10,000 votes. He lost Georgia by 12,000, He lost Wisconsin by 21,000. He lost Nevada by 33,000.
Right now, about 60 Arizonans, 36 Georgians, 34 Wisconsinites and 14 Nevadans are dying of Covid each day. Seventy five percent of 95 percent of that would be minus 103 Trump voters per day just in those four swing states. Week after week. That adds up."
https://politicalwire.com/2022/01/15/hundreds-of-trump-voters-are-dying-every-day/
Source article: Trump Backs Boosters. Clearly, Someone Did the Math for Him.
https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/trump-backs-boosters-clearly-someone-did-the-math-for-him-153a2ff62718
Notable related post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216201357
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,005 posts)IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)Let's Go Darwin!
DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)I think they do get it...........And about the large number of their voters dying??????? They know that the votes, if they have their way, won't matter in the future, any more than they matter in Russia for instance.......
Farmer-Rick
(10,183 posts)That was what the Supremes' Bush v. Gore was about - Not counting votes. All the other voter suppression and bureaucratic stops are just icing on the cake.
The fix is in. No need to care if thousands of friendly voters are dying because of GOP propaganda.
Initech
(100,080 posts)They could lose 2 million to anti-vaxxer propaganda and they will still continue to spread the bullshit.
COL Mustard
(5,900 posts)Trump could be a comedian...he's killin' them!
Initech
(100,080 posts)machoneman
(4,007 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)that would be quite an image if it was true...photograph!
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)Takket
(21,575 posts)it would have to have some sort of effect on elections. and it doesn't take a large amount of people to swing elections in close places.
that being said the amount of right wing voters dying unfortunately pails in comparison to the number of people being disenfranchised by voter suppression laws.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)they kill off enough of their own voters to make a difference in November.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)It will just be seen as proof that they were cheated out of what would have otherwise been an easy historic pattern win.
We need to be ready for that outcome to drive them even more out of their heads
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)They will claim cheating on full on complete landslides.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)tblue37
(65,403 posts)but refuses to accept the result:
newsone.com/4276086/florida-special-congress-election-lawsuit/
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Just a taste of the things to come. Every single result that is not a GOP victory is going to be hailed as fraud. Watch.
Lovie777
(12,276 posts)Majority are the unvaxxed. The GQP constant stance regarding no vaccines and no masks are killing their base and yet corporate media doesn't cover it. Coupled with the media and the GQP they are indeed the party of death.
oldsoftie
(12,555 posts)Interviews with doctors, hospitals etc every week, telling us who is dying and why its so stupid.
Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)are razor thin margins on one side or the other.
OMGWTF
(3,957 posts)Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)Tree Lady
(11,471 posts)We saw Trump this week come out and say to get vaccinated and boosted.
And I have noticed quite a few activists have died on their side, the ones that whip up people and votes.
OMGWTF
(3,957 posts)They did the math and saw their numbers dwindling
calimary
(81,304 posts)He only cares about whatever affects his little self.
pwb
(11,276 posts)not seeing it locally. Yet.
Tree Lady
(11,471 posts)In the categories of men vs women, and different races that have died republicans vs democrats.
I would like to see it.
wnylib
(21,484 posts)of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic have been people in their 50s and older. Out of nearly 300 deaths, 11 were people between 20 and 40, none under 20. The largest number is people in their 80s.
I don't know the political affiliations of those who died. This is a purple county. The 2 small cities are mostly blue, although working class whites here tend to be red politically. The rural areas are very red.
More disturbing to me are the statistics on hospitalized people. They are split, 50% vaccinated and 50% unvaccinated. A huge jump in new cases within one week indicates that omicron is definitely active here. So, if omicron is supposed to be milder for vaccinated people, why are half of the hospitalized people vaccinated?
oldsoftie
(12,555 posts)I'd like to know; how old? Overweight? Other major health issues?
All that makes a difference
I have noticed that so far, very few vaccinated have gone into ICU or on ventilators. they do provide those numbers
wnylib
(21,484 posts)website of the county board of health. They only give two types of details about the infected people. One is the percentage of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated who are hospitalized. The other is a chart of the number of deaths by age.
They list the numbers of new infections for every village and 4 corners hamlet. I am astonished to see higher numbers in some hamlets than I would have thought possible in such small populations.
I can easily see why the new case numbers are rising so high. In neighborhood convenience stores, employees and managers totally ignore NY state's mask mandate for public places. In larger stores, most, but not all, employees wear masks. Customers with masks are about 50/50. The Republican county commissioner has publicly announced that he will not enforce the mask mandate.
Most people who do wear masks are using cloth ones, with and without covering their noses. The ones who wear surgical masks often don't bother to press the nose clip down to seal the mask at the top and they leave gaping sides over their cheeks. I am seeing more N95s than in the past, but still a minority of those who do wear a mask.
Almost nobody does social distancing in public any more. Nearly every time I go to a store, I have to ask people who are inches away from me at the checkout to please back up. Half the time they actually do. When I am looking at something on a shelf, trying to decide on brand or size, it's common for another shopper to crowd next to me to look at or pick up something. When that happens, I leave for another aisle and go back when they move on.
Only one other person in my apartment building besides me wears a mask in the hall or on the small elevator. I am the only one who will not get on it if someone else is on.
In other words, everywhere around here people act as if there is no pandemic. I don't think that attitude or behavior is limited to my city and county. People just don't give a damn any more -- unless they get a really serious case of vivid. Then they blame everyone but themselves.
Sorry about the rant. I am just so disgusted by behavior that keeps the virus going and kills so many people, 2 of them relatives of mine.
oldsoftie
(12,555 posts)But i must admit i havent been as vigilant about mask wearing ever since i got the shots, but I still carry it with me and have been trying to do better
A friend who has been super vigilant since day ONE; always wore a KN95, only went out to buy groceries, never had company, never went out to eat, etc; STILL caught the crud. It seems like the Omichron is likely to catch most of us at some point
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royable
(1,264 posts)Imagine a population where for every 1 person unvaccinated against COVID, 10 are vaccinated. Among the unvaccinated, 10 per some denominator, say 100,000, become ill with COVID and have to go to the hospital. Among the vaccinated, only 1 per 100,000 become ill and have to go to the hospital. That would result in the same number of unvaccinated and vaccinated in the hospital due to COVID. But if you're vaccinated, you only have 1/10 the chance of ending up in the hospital as an unvaccinated person.
In the real world, the fractions, percentages, and ratios are different, but it's the same sort of effect at work. A low rate in a large population can appear to balance a high rate in a small population.
Now, imagine if none of the population were vaccinated. The hospitals would be horribly overwhelmed (beyond what they already are). Vaccinations have many beneficial effects for an individual, for cutting down on the spread of disease, and also for keeping hospitals from being devastated.
wnylib
(21,484 posts)that is mostly rural hamlets and villages between dairy farms. There are 2 small cities in the county (both under 30,000), several miles apart. There are only 2 hospitals in the entire county. The vaccination rate in the entire county is 55%. I think that skews your thought exercise.
I am fully vaccinated and boosted. I wear an N95 everywhere outside of my apartment because I am at risk of a more serious case due to age (70s) and 2 health conditions. There is a large number of seniors in my county, partly because younger people leave for education and jobs elsewhere. I suspect that the high number of seniors is related to the vaccinated people who are hospitalized. Since I am in the same age and health category as many of them, it is a cause of concern for me.
Nasruddin
(754 posts)Which I hope someone in your county, or state, or elsewhere will look into.
I would *guess* that the age bias in the county, plus a general lack of boosters in the population as a whole, is a factor
(I *guess* it's well under the fully vaccinated number in yr county; maybe 40 %).
wnylib
(21,484 posts)The county commissioner is Republican. After Governor Hochul announced a mask mandate in all public places, the county commissioner immediately made a public announcement That he will not enforce it.
royable
(1,264 posts)I think you may have just explained the reason for approximately equal numbers of vaxxed and unvaxxed in the hospital. If the older population is both more likely to have received the vaccine and more likely to become ill enough for hospitalization if they get COVID, that too could somewhat balance out the numbers. Though, then you'd perhaps expect the hospitalized unvaxxed to to have even MORE of a skew toward the older population, since COVID hits the older pop. harder and the unvaxxed harder. Do your county statitics provide cross-tabs of the % or # in each age group among the vaxxed vs unvaxxed who are hospitalized?
Sounds as though your county has an epidemic of obliviousness. Sorry to hear that. It's not unique to your area, though that's not really any consolation. See my posting from a week ago
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216228357
when, by stepping out of my normal routine, I encountered some of the unmasked idiots I'd been unaware of.
wnylib
(21,484 posts)Only the 2 cities are blue and one is more of a bluish purple.
The county does not break down the hospitalized by age. But it keeps a running total of deaths by age each week, so I can roughly figure out the ages of the hospitalized when the hospitalizations briefly go down and the deaths go up, before the hospitalizations go back up again.
Thtwudbeme
(7,737 posts)in the next election cycle.
blogslug
(38,002 posts)"We will outlive you"
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)I'm pretty sure I said something similar when I was in my 20s. It may mean something totally different now in 2022 than it did in 1972, but it's still a young man's bragging. I forgive David Hogg though because he's still got a long way to go. I just hope he doesn't get too discouraged.
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)they can drink pee if they want. Their body their choice like they always say on non-abortion public health issues that impact everyone around them. These people choose to gather indoors real close with other like-minded unvaccinated unmasked conservatives to share COVID with each other. And we'll have fewer of them by next election.
My sympathies are only for innocent bystanders they take down with them.
former9thward
(32,019 posts)caraher
(6,278 posts)Part of the answer lies in the risk analysis the CDC put out and its purpose, which is very different from an analysis in terms of numbers of deaths among a certain voting population. The CDC risk ratios are intended to tell us what by what factor is elevated for a particular group, all else being equal - in other words, given otherwise identical age, demographic information, etc. but one person is white and another is Black or Hispanic, how much more likely would one be to die? But it doesn't say anything about the numbers of people in those categories.
There may be twice the risk of death for Blacks and Hispanics, but there are three times as many white voters. Moreover, the CDC is doing an age adjustment, and Trump voters also skew older, meaning that using the racial risk factor would overestimate the number of deaths among Black and Hispanic voters relative to Trump voters (vs. white voters). And for that matter, it also seems probable that Black and Hispanic Trump voters die at even further elevated rates than do non-Trumper Blacks and Hispanics.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Pinback
(12,157 posts)Maybe, just maybe, there are a good many Democratic voters living in Red states. I dunno, just blue-skying here.
Lunabell
(6,084 posts)Lalalala, I'm doing the tango!!
paleotn
(17,931 posts)Things like Catch-22's character, Major Major's dad, the fiercely independent "non farmer" have always made me chuckle. So, in this case, it's a question of...should we fight the virus by forcing vaccination on the them or simply let the meter keep running to help us politically? I'm so conflicted!
Joinfortmill
(14,428 posts)mahina
(17,665 posts)💧
How they vote- maybe silver lining to the black cloud but its a thin lining and a huge horrible dark cloud.
I dont think Ive heard any stories in the news about how badly we are doing compared to other countries. We have some thing like 25% of the cases in the world almost all because that orange fucker wouldnt do his job because he didnt want to look bad.
Now they are harassing dr Fauci who dedicated his life to helping.
Its insane that anybodys even thinking about electing chump for anything. Theyve managed to divide us against our own people and it makes me so sad.
The other night I came upon this representative from Florida named Kat Cammacks live fb feed. It was obviously digitally promoted on fb because she just kept on popping up and Im 5500 miles away give or take.
She was all dished up with very nice hair and make up and lighting in her office reading a whole list of utter lies off a script with a lot of agita. Democrats are trying to control elections and make it impossible for Republicans to have a win, were trying to end this country, we hate America, all this utter bullshit. Its no wonder that people in the south think the worst because that is getting sold to them every time they turn on their computer.
Im going for a walk. Then Im going to bake a pie. Then Im going for a swim. God bless our health care workers.
Shermann
(7,423 posts)It seems plausible. The deaths are also skewed towards older folks who are more likely to vote.
Jazz Jon
(109 posts)Now there's some good news. And it seems nothing will convince these dopes to get vaccinated or wear a mask. In the end, maybe it's Darwin ( natural selection) who will bail us out. The miracle we were looking for.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)it's just doctors putting it down as COVID.
There is absolutely no reaching those people's brains.
It started out that they didn't believe COVID existed. Then they said it does exist, but the numbers are being exaggerated.
Right out of the horse-trump's mouth.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)He says doctors and hospitals get money for every death caused by COVID so that's what they do, they write down COVID as the cause of death even if it was something else.
NickB79
(19,253 posts)I flat out asked him, where will you take your kids now when they get sick? How can you take your kids to doctors who you think are so corrupt they'll lie for money? If you truly believed that, you'd never take your kids to the doctor again.
I said this knowing his kids were severely premature twins and are only alive today thanks to medical science and the doctors who he just bad-mouthed.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)His answer was that they were all crooks. Except of course, for the ones he trusts and goes to.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)I had a relative try to pull that crap with me.
So I asked him who was paying them the extra money to write down "COVID".
Because it wasn't in any legislation that Trump signed into law and it wasn't part of any Biden legislation. And the insurance companies aren't colluding together to pay out more money than they have to.
So where would that money be coming from.?
He dithered for a moment then muttered, "Well, at least that was what I heard" and let it drop.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)I don't really argue much with the guy. It upsets my wife and there's no changing his mind anyways.
Plus, he's 82, lost the love of his life a couple of years ago and he's always ready to help a family member or friend.
caraher
(6,278 posts)And by "small" I mean in comparison to the likely effects of GOP voter suppression. The voting rights bill is still critical!
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)oldsoftie
(12,555 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)They want to control the vote counting. Actual results are immaterial.
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Moebym
(989 posts)Will be negated by voter suppression efforts and disillusionment from Dem voters who are upset about something Biden or Congressional Democrats have or haven't done and can't bring themselves to vote for Dems again.
And worse yet, the proportion of non-whites that vote Democratic has been trending downward.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)patphil
(6,180 posts)Republicans currently appear to be taking themselves out of the voting booth to the tune of over 1000 per day. They've been doing that for a year of vaccine denial, and it could result in 400,000 - 500,000 less Republican voters nationwide by the fall election.
Add to that all those long covid people who perhaps won't be going to polling locations, and might not be able to get mail in ballots, the number could double.
And then you have moderate Republicans and Independents who may choose to stay home or vote Democrat rather than install insurrection minded trump humpers.
I think there's a possibility the insane policies of the right wing could cost their party a couple million votes this fall.
KPN
(15,646 posts)news aside). If they take 2022, and then 2024, none of this will matter; for at least a decade or two, over which time irreversible damage and destruction could occur.
We thought 2020 was urgent, but given what we know and see going on now, it pales in comparison to 22 and 24. We are in a fight for our life for America as we have always known it.
With the voter suppression laws now being passed in too many States, the unrelenting assault on voter confidence in elections by the GQP, an ideologically slanted SCOTUS, and a ticking clock relative to the Select Committee Investigation, these Covid deaths may not much matter to the outcome in 2022.
Its do or die time for the Select Committee in my view. If I were king, I wouldnt bank on 22, even with these death-related voter projections being accurate.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)to make a difference in the next election. At this point, fewer than 1 million have died from Covid, although that number is probably somewhat higher than the official counts. And while the majority tend to be older people, who on average vote in higher numbers than younger people, the reality is that voting participation is shockingly low in this country, all across the political spectrum.
So if half of those who have died so far were active voters, that's still going to barely impact the 2022 elections, less so down the road. Unless, of course, a new extremely virulent and deadly mutation pops up and selectively kills the unvaccinated.
crud
(619 posts)Giving the full measure of devotion to the cause.
CCExile
(469 posts)to counteract gerrymandering and voter suppression? Probably not. It's just a "feel good" story.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Loyal repukes don't vaccinate.
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)LENNY0229
(185 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,943 posts)Majority of them will be Republicans. They are likely to have long term medical conditions in addition to shorter life expectancy and find less of a priority to vote.
Maybe by then they can be induced to take magical potions consisting urine and other special elixirs which require them to avoid wireless signals.
Initech
(100,080 posts)Trump supporters are the ones who who are buying into the anti-vax shit posting on Facebook and it's literally killing them.
Joe Nation
(963 posts)LOL!
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)Arizona by 10,000 votes. Total deaths in AZ = 25,000
Georgia by 13,000. Deaths = 31,000
Wisconsin by 21,000. Deaths = 11,649
Nevada by 33,000. Deaths = 8,627
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)play stupid games..........................................
Evolve Dammit
(16,736 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)that actual voter counts will even matter in many of the hardest hit and most deeply red controlled states.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...you can look at a breakdown of COVID rates by congressional district here: https://geographicinsights.iq.harvard.edu/coviduscongress
As far as I can tell the death rate simply isn't enough to actually sway the numbers, even though they are disproportionately Republican across the board. If, and I mean if, the numbers were even 1% higher the Republicans would be the ones calling for masks. If the death rate was 5% they would have road blocks and forced masks and vaccination...
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... to die will be MAGA by far.
That source is showing deaths since 2020, deaths after vaxes were available are no doubt mostly MAGA.
I'm think we'll get close to that 1% knowing there's going to be another variant before COVID burns out.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...flip from GOPers with regards to vaccines and masks and social distancing.
They have some of the strongest analysts in the world, Cambridge Analytic etc. They are watching, carefully. But I have looked up about a dozen red districts with high death rates and it doesn't seem to be a big deal, since they win them by 30+ points every time. Even close districts there aren't enough numbers. The thing is we're a huge country so we see these numbers but they're spread out among dozens of districts.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... granular stupid act by MAGAs and they are going into the ground with it.
85% of us adults have at least one shot, 100% of the 15% left are voting age and
- few under 40 are dying, the 40 and over demo in the US vote the most
- 75% of unvaxed Trump voters vow to never get shot
- There's NO DOUBT that the hospitalized and dying are 95% unvaxed
Again, dark ... but I do think these number will end up making a difference going forward.
I know it wont be all MAGA but if they want to off themselves cause they're stupid and they're in purple areas well, we tried our best to warn them IMHO.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Lots of elderly, retired white Covidiot Republicans in Arizona.
President Biden won AZ by roughly 10,500 votes
Sept. 2021 in Florida:
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Sumter County, where Trump got 68% of the vote, has the second-highest recorded recent death rate, at 45 for every 100,000 residents. It's home to The Villages, a Republican-dominated retirement community where 81% of residents are vaccinated, the states second-highest inoculation rate.
https://www.news-press.com/story/news/2021/09/15/florida-releases-county-covid-19-death-data-first-time-months/8347397002/
It is likely that most of these deaths in The Villages occurred prior to the availability of a vaccine.
Any way you slice it, Republicans are making each other sick, and killing each other, everywhere in the US. Birds of a feather flock together, and their scorn of pandemic protocols combined with their tendency to associate with other Republicans in both large and small groups naturally infers that they are far more likely to catch, spread, be hospitalized, and die from Covid.
With the Supreme Court reconsidering Roe v. Wade, Republicans self-identify as the party that supports a right to life. In the case of the pandemic, however, they have become the party of sickness and death. Strangely, the people they have most effectively afflicted are their own supporters.
The proposition that the Republican Party has become a death cult is supported by the chart below. It shows that the stronger a states Trump support in the 2020 presidential election, the higher the number of residents suffering a COVID-19 infection.
The vertical scale in the chart shows the percentage of state residents that were diagnosed with Covid between April and the end of November of this year. I chose April 2021 as the starting point because that was the month when Covid vaccines were made available to any adult who chose to get them.
The horizontal axis shows the percentage of the two-candidate vote that went to Joe Biden. Thus, the left side of the chart is made up of states that voted for Donald Trump.
https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2021/12/08/data-wonk-how-republicans-are-killing-their-supporters/
Democrats should make it a life affirming choice to have as little personal contact with Republicans as possible. Even if Republicans are vaccinated, they most likely hang out with other Republicans who are not vaccinated, do not follow pandemic protocols, and who are infected, whether they show symptoms or not.
Natural selection and science: they are like magic, only real.
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)Sums it up quite succinctly.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,299 posts)Jetheels
(991 posts)tiniest of tiny violin.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,299 posts)Arggh https://politicalwire.com/2022/01/14/trump-to-rally-supporters-in-texas/
January 14, 2022 at 3:22 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 132 Comments
Former President Donald Trump will hold a rally in Texas later this month as he looks to ramp up his travel schedule ahead of the 2022 midterm elections, The Hill reports.
Hes holding a rally in Arizona this weekend.
I suspect the death rate will go up after this event.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)I couldn't give a shit.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)they have already voted and their family will send the ballots in come 2024!
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The Gene pool is getting cleaner.
GB_RN
(2,356 posts)The next best thing to horse paste and drinking urine: Horse PISS!
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... bad
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)It's probably less than 45% of adults.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)harumph
(1,900 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)I have slightly fewer fux to give about unvaccinated adults in general.
I feel angry about parents who refuse to have their children vaccinated.
I feel sad for the children who will grow up without parents.
I am furious that T**** isn't on a ventilator for the next 10 years in a hospital room with only MSNBC on the television.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)you cannot and will not fix "stupid".....
Sogo
(4,986 posts)Seriously, someone needs to keep track of the obits in relation to the voter roles .
Blue Owl
(50,407 posts)IzzaNuDay
(362 posts)I can see this coming especially as we near election season. For example John Doe votes by mail. However the day before Election Day, he expires. He voted straight GOP. Think his vote has a chance?
(Please experienced electors, can you help
Me with this one?) TIA!
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,299 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)he is a cheater
a liar
a fraud
sociopath
rude
mean
an idiot
a sore loser and yet.
They think he is awesome...WTF have we become as a country!!!
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)Tell them marijuana is a total cure. Might add the bonus of altering a few of the remaining's minds.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)and it has gotten worse since this.
https://troubleingodscountry.com/2022/01/05/tigc-tackles-the-big-political-question-of-2022/
FrankTC
(210 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,733 posts)but, this post has been my feel-good thread for two days now.
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)If you can no longer influence the voters, throw out the votes you don't like.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)for Biden
samsingh
(17,599 posts)Upthevibe
(8,052 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Rabrrrrrr
(58,349 posts)by the GOP leadership who don't give a shit about them.