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BlueWavePsych

(2,635 posts)
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:01 PM Jan 2022

Hundreds of Trump Voters Are Dying Every Day

“As of this week, about 1,800 Americans a day are dying of Covid; the C.D.C. expects that number to rise above 2,600.”

“Virtually all are adults. If 95 percent were unvaccinated and we assume that 75 percent of those were Trump supporters, that’s 1,300 to 1,900 of his voters being subtracted from the rolls every single day.“

“Donald Trump lost Arizona by a mere 10,000 votes. He lost Georgia by 12,000, He lost Wisconsin by 21,000. He lost Nevada by 33,000.”

“Right now, about 60 Arizonans, 36 Georgians, 34 Wisconsinites and 14 Nevadans are dying of Covid each day. Seventy five percent of 95 percent of that would be minus 103 Trump voters per day — just in those four swing states. Week after week. That adds up."

https://politicalwire.com/2022/01/15/hundreds-of-trump-voters-are-dying-every-day/

Source article: Trump Backs Boosters. Clearly, Someone Did the Math for Him.

Trump is losing hundreds of voters a day to Covid — far more than the margins in the swing states.


https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/trump-backs-boosters-clearly-someone-did-the-math-for-him-153a2ff62718



Notable related post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216201357
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Hundreds of Trump Voters Are Dying Every Day (Original Post) BlueWavePsych Jan 2022 OP
This is an important post! I'm kickin' it. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2022 #1
They still don't get it, do they? FakeNoose Jan 2022 #2
+100 Diamond_Dog Jan 2022 #7
Oh they get it, and spread it IronLionZion Jan 2022 #12
Actually, DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #29
The votes won't be counted Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #75
And they never will either! Initech Jan 2022 #51
Own the libs, MAGATs! COL Mustard Jan 2022 #55
Go on you know you want to! Initech Jan 2022 #122
Great visual. We need to get a bigger dumpster! machoneman Jan 2022 #60
wow YoshidaYui Jan 2022 #112
+1000 BlueWavePsych Jan 2022 #114
yeah i have thought of that too......... Takket Jan 2022 #3
How ironic if by trying to sabotage & thwart Biden's pandemic response to make him look bad, CrispyQ Jan 2022 #4
Heres the issue tho...let's say all that is correct and we win by enough to keep both chambers... Volaris Jan 2022 #64
They will claim cheating regardless. joshcryer Jan 2022 #66
Also true, and a good counter-point. My thanks! :) Volaris Jan 2022 #67
That actually just happened. Some GOPer just lost by 80% of the vote tblue37 Jan 2022 #90
+1, saw that, that's what I based my comment on. joshcryer Jan 2022 #91
I'll say thousands . . . Lovie777 Jan 2022 #5
The "corporate media" has BEEN screaming about the unvaccinated. oldsoftie Jan 2022 #26
I'm really surprised no one has done an analysis of deaths in those places where there Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #6
Astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson said it could be enough to move the needle, so to speak. OMGWTF Jan 2022 #36
Definitely. And all in our favor. I hate to look at it that way, but... Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #82
I'd say that was the ONLY reason Tree Lady Jan 2022 #8
It's like Rethugs DGAF about abortion until someone realized it's mostly white women getting them. OMGWTF Jan 2022 #37
I bet that's it. calimary Jan 2022 #115
That is good but I am pwb Jan 2022 #9
It would be interesting if they showed us Tree Lady Jan 2022 #10
In my community, the vast majority wnylib Jan 2022 #21
Our local hospital doesnt tell any specifics on the vaccinated. oldsoftie Jan 2022 #30
I get the statistics from the wnylib Jan 2022 #48
Sounds like you're my neighbor. So many think "its just a cold if you get it" oldsoftie Jan 2022 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jan 2022 #50
Here's a thought experiment for you, wnylib. royable Jan 2022 #43
I am in a sparsely populated county wnylib Jan 2022 #56
You ask a good question Nasruddin Jan 2022 #70
Nobody here will be looking into it. wnylib Jan 2022 #72
Sorry, I hadn't even thought aboout age brackets. royable Jan 2022 #74
The county has an epidemic of magats. wnylib Jan 2022 #98
I have wondered if we are going to see the results of this Thtwudbeme Jan 2022 #11
To quote David Hogg: blogslug Jan 2022 #13
Most people in their 20s will talk that way FakeNoose Jan 2022 #120
They're owning the libs IronLionZion Jan 2022 #14
How do you explain the CDC data showing Blacks and Hispanics dying at twice the rate of whites? former9thward Jan 2022 #15
Good question caraher Jan 2022 #23
Boom! Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2022 #103
Yep, inconvenient statistic. Pinback Jan 2022 #24
Here I go, grave dancing again. Lunabell Jan 2022 #16
I've always loved irony. Since I was a kid.... paleotn Jan 2022 #17
Suicide by stupidity. Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #18
So terrible mahina Jan 2022 #19
I think the deaths will in fact be skewed enough to the right to be statistically significant Shermann Jan 2022 #20
Good news Jazz Jon Jan 2022 #22
Every trumpanzee I've talked to says most of those deaths aren't really COVID related. C Moon Jan 2022 #25
My FIL makes the same arguement. Kaleva Jan 2022 #31
A coworker tried that BS argument with me in the break room NickB79 Jan 2022 #42
I told my FIL that it's illegal to falsify a death certificate. Kaleva Jan 2022 #44
And tfg is a saint to him, I'm assuming. C Moon Jan 2022 #61
Yes. Kaleva Jan 2022 #78
try this Slammer Jan 2022 #76
He said "Crazy Joe" pays out the money. Kaleva Jan 2022 #77
I think any such effect will be measurable but small caraher Jan 2022 #27
Only about 66% of citizens age 18 and older voted so the math is wrong. Kaleva Jan 2022 #28
The idiots wont even listen to TRUMP telling them to get the damn vaccine oldsoftie Jan 2022 #32
Don't you understand? They don't care if they lose votes. Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Moebym Jan 2022 #34
Any reduction in the proportion of GOP voters in the voting rolls Moebym Jan 2022 #35
Okay... Historic NY Jan 2022 #38
I've come to a similar conclusion. patphil Jan 2022 #39
Let's not get carried away with optimism (over tragic KPN Jan 2022 #40
Count me as one who thinks that not enough actual Trump voters are dying PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #41
I guess they must really hate liberals crud Jan 2022 #45
But is it enough... CCExile Jan 2022 #46
So do they get planted with their maga hat? The Jungle 1 Jan 2022 #47
Please see my post #2 FakeNoose Jan 2022 #52
FREEDOM CORPSES! Tell me Gym Jordan, how many "liberties" does a corpse have? Give me a number. LENNY0229 Jan 2022 #49
Don't forget the ones managing to survive. LiberalFighter Jan 2022 #53
I am not in any way shocked by this. Initech Jan 2022 #54
Let's Go Darwin! Joe Nation Jan 2022 #57
If only they would just kill themselves mercuryblues Jan 2022 #58
am I supposed to give a shit demtenjeep Jan 2022 #59
Judging by the number of unmasked people I've seen over the last week or 2, the surge will continue. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #62
It is somewhat darkly amusing the way we all assume... NullTuples Jan 2022 #63
If they mattered, we know the GOP would do something... joshcryer Jan 2022 #65
I think that will change come Summer, 85% of US adults are vaxed and the ones who continue ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #85
*If* it reaches that level you will see a *distinct*... joshcryer Jan 2022 #89
True its dark but it's not just deeply red states, its red people even in purple areas. This is a .. uponit7771 Jan 2022 #84
Arizona is roughly 80% white, and 2nd in Covid deaths per million. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2022 #104
Any way you slice it, BlueWavePsych Jan 2022 #113
People doing their own research LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #68
Bleach, dewormer, lightbulbs, drink pee. Let's go Darwin! Jetheels Jan 2022 #69
There will be a TFG super spreader event in Texas later this month LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #71
for those at the rally SouthernDem4ever Jan 2022 #87
No worries.... whistler162 Jan 2022 #73
DARWIN! DonCoquixote Jan 2022 #79
I'm Waiting For One Of These Clowns To Suggest... GB_RN Jan 2022 #80
Don't worry, they are busy with voter fraud. It's more dependable. 58Sunliner Jan 2022 #81
I think that would be 1000, 85% of US adults have at least one shot. The 15% left are getting bent uponit7771 Jan 2022 #83
You need to look at the vaccine rate in Trump voting counties. greymattermom Jan 2022 #106
I'm heartbroken... bluecollar2 Jan 2022 #86
Not fast enough. harumph Jan 2022 #92
I have zero fux to give about unvaccinated T**** voters. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2022 #93
I still have no pity.....he and they have blood on there hands literally.... turbinetree Jan 2022 #94
We better keep a watch on how many dead Trump voters vote in the next election. Sogo Jan 2022 #95
That brings a smile... a certain kind of smile.... Blue Owl Jan 2022 #96
Makes me wonder how many dead will vote GOP? IzzaNuDay Jan 2022 #97
Thoughts and prayers. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #99
MAGA collecting COVID strains like LAPD collects Pokemon. LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #100
74 million racist idiots who voted TFG is what is killing me ! RANDYWILDMAN Jan 2022 #101
Just not the right ones bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #102
A Georgia reporter wrote about this recently greymattermom Jan 2022 #105
It Would Be Great If Somebody Had Info On Michigan . . . . FrankTC Jan 2022 #107
I hate to admit it, Baitball Blogger Jan 2022 #108
This is why they want to be in charge of counting the votes. halfulglas Jan 2022 #109
it's also why they don't care about their voters dying while liking the chaos it creates LymphocyteLover Jan 2022 #119
I think the republicans should listen to trump on bleach - drink it, inject it - samsingh Jan 2022 #110
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Jan 2022 #111
it was from stupid samnsara Jan 2022 #116
The one silver lining to Corona LiberalLovinLug Jan 2022 #117
And not a single one will ever know (or admit) that they've been played as suckers Rabrrrrrr Jan 2022 #118
And I am in no way shape or form shocked or surprised! Initech Jan 2022 #121
Let's Go Darwin CaptainTruth Jan 2022 #123
If you needed more proof that vaccines work, LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #124

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
29. Actually,
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:11 PM
Jan 2022

I think they do get it...........And about the large number of their voters dying??????? They know that the votes, if they have their way, won't matter in the future, any more than they matter in Russia for instance.......

Farmer-Rick

(10,183 posts)
75. The votes won't be counted
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 07:30 PM
Jan 2022

That was what the Supremes' Bush v. Gore was about - Not counting votes. All the other voter suppression and bureaucratic stops are just icing on the cake.

The fix is in. No need to care if thousands of friendly voters are dying because of GOP propaganda.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
51. And they never will either!
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:58 PM
Jan 2022

They could lose 2 million to anti-vaxxer propaganda and they will still continue to spread the bullshit.

Takket

(21,575 posts)
3. yeah i have thought of that too.........
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:10 PM
Jan 2022

it would have to have some sort of effect on elections. and it doesn't take a large amount of people to swing elections in close places.

that being said the amount of right wing voters dying unfortunately pails in comparison to the number of people being disenfranchised by voter suppression laws.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
4. How ironic if by trying to sabotage & thwart Biden's pandemic response to make him look bad,
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:12 PM
Jan 2022

they kill off enough of their own voters to make a difference in November.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
64. Heres the issue tho...let's say all that is correct and we win by enough to keep both chambers...
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:25 PM
Jan 2022

It will just be seen as proof that they were cheated out of what would have otherwise been an easy historic pattern win.

We need to be ready for that outcome to drive them even more out of their heads

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
90. That actually just happened. Some GOPer just lost by 80% of the vote
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:20 PM
Jan 2022

but refuses to accept the result:

According to CNN, Cherfilus-McCormick won nearly 79% of the vote while Mariner captured about 20%, trailing his opponent by more than 32,000 votes. Still, Mariner is refusing to concede defeat and is reportedly planning to sue over the election’s results. His actions speak much more clearly than his words.


newsone.com/4276086/florida-special-congress-election-lawsuit/

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
91. +1, saw that, that's what I based my comment on.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:22 PM
Jan 2022

Just a taste of the things to come. Every single result that is not a GOP victory is going to be hailed as fraud. Watch.

Lovie777

(12,276 posts)
5. I'll say thousands . . .
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:13 PM
Jan 2022

Majority are the unvaxxed. The GQP constant stance regarding no vaccines and no masks are killing their base and yet corporate media doesn't cover it. Coupled with the media and the GQP they are indeed the party of death.

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
26. The "corporate media" has BEEN screaming about the unvaccinated.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:08 PM
Jan 2022

Interviews with doctors, hospitals etc every week, telling us who is dying and why its so stupid.

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
6. I'm really surprised no one has done an analysis of deaths in those places where there
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:24 PM
Jan 2022

are razor thin margins on one side or the other.

OMGWTF

(3,957 posts)
36. Astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson said it could be enough to move the needle, so to speak.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:28 PM
Jan 2022
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/neil-degrasse-tyson-vax-tweet/ and that it could make a difference in some elections. VOTE BLUE!

Tree Lady

(11,471 posts)
8. I'd say that was the ONLY reason
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:26 PM
Jan 2022

We saw Trump this week come out and say to get vaccinated and boosted.

And I have noticed quite a few activists have died on their side, the ones that whip up people and votes.

OMGWTF

(3,957 posts)
37. It's like Rethugs DGAF about abortion until someone realized it's mostly white women getting them.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:30 PM
Jan 2022

They did the math and saw their numbers dwindling

Tree Lady

(11,471 posts)
10. It would be interesting if they showed us
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:28 PM
Jan 2022

In the categories of men vs women, and different races that have died republicans vs democrats.

I would like to see it.

wnylib

(21,484 posts)
21. In my community, the vast majority
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:59 PM
Jan 2022

of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic have been people in their 50s and older. Out of nearly 300 deaths, 11 were people between 20 and 40, none under 20. The largest number is people in their 80s.

I don't know the political affiliations of those who died. This is a purple county. The 2 small cities are mostly blue, although working class whites here tend to be red politically. The rural areas are very red.

More disturbing to me are the statistics on hospitalized people. They are split, 50% vaccinated and 50% unvaccinated. A huge jump in new cases within one week indicates that omicron is definitely active here. So, if omicron is supposed to be milder for vaccinated people, why are half of the hospitalized people vaccinated?



oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
30. Our local hospital doesnt tell any specifics on the vaccinated.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:11 PM
Jan 2022

I'd like to know; how old? Overweight? Other major health issues?
All that makes a difference

I have noticed that so far, very few vaccinated have gone into ICU or on ventilators. they do provide those numbers

wnylib

(21,484 posts)
48. I get the statistics from the
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jan 2022

website of the county board of health. They only give two types of details about the infected people. One is the percentage of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated who are hospitalized. The other is a chart of the number of deaths by age.

They list the numbers of new infections for every village and 4 corners hamlet. I am astonished to see higher numbers in some hamlets than I would have thought possible in such small populations.

I can easily see why the new case numbers are rising so high. In neighborhood convenience stores, employees and managers totally ignore NY state's mask mandate for public places. In larger stores, most, but not all, employees wear masks. Customers with masks are about 50/50. The Republican county commissioner has publicly announced that he will not enforce the mask mandate.

Most people who do wear masks are using cloth ones, with and without covering their noses. The ones who wear surgical masks often don't bother to press the nose clip down to seal the mask at the top and they leave gaping sides over their cheeks. I am seeing more N95s than in the past, but still a minority of those who do wear a mask.

Almost nobody does social distancing in public any more. Nearly every time I go to a store, I have to ask people who are inches away from me at the checkout to please back up. Half the time they actually do. When I am looking at something on a shelf, trying to decide on brand or size, it's common for another shopper to crowd next to me to look at or pick up something. When that happens, I leave for another aisle and go back when they move on.

Only one other person in my apartment building besides me wears a mask in the hall or on the small elevator. I am the only one who will not get on it if someone else is on.

In other words, everywhere around here people act as if there is no pandemic. I don't think that attitude or behavior is limited to my city and county. People just don't give a damn any more -- unless they get a really serious case of vivid. Then they blame everyone but themselves.

Sorry about the rant. I am just so disgusted by behavior that keeps the virus going and kills so many people, 2 of them relatives of mine.

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
88. Sounds like you're my neighbor. So many think "its just a cold if you get it"
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:01 PM
Jan 2022

But i must admit i havent been as vigilant about mask wearing ever since i got the shots, but I still carry it with me and have been trying to do better
A friend who has been super vigilant since day ONE; always wore a KN95, only went out to buy groceries, never had company, never went out to eat, etc; STILL caught the crud. It seems like the Omichron is likely to catch most of us at some point

Response to oldsoftie (Reply #30)

royable

(1,264 posts)
43. Here's a thought experiment for you, wnylib.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:40 PM
Jan 2022

Imagine a population where for every 1 person unvaccinated against COVID, 10 are vaccinated. Among the unvaccinated, 10 per some denominator, say 100,000, become ill with COVID and have to go to the hospital. Among the vaccinated, only 1 per 100,000 become ill and have to go to the hospital. That would result in the same number of unvaccinated and vaccinated in the hospital due to COVID. But if you're vaccinated, you only have 1/10 the chance of ending up in the hospital as an unvaccinated person.

In the real world, the fractions, percentages, and ratios are different, but it's the same sort of effect at work. A low rate in a large population can appear to balance a high rate in a small population.

Now, imagine if none of the population were vaccinated. The hospitals would be horribly overwhelmed (beyond what they already are). Vaccinations have many beneficial effects for an individual, for cutting down on the spread of disease, and also for keeping hospitals from being devastated.

wnylib

(21,484 posts)
56. I am in a sparsely populated county
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:08 PM
Jan 2022

that is mostly rural hamlets and villages between dairy farms. There are 2 small cities in the county (both under 30,000), several miles apart. There are only 2 hospitals in the entire county. The vaccination rate in the entire county is 55%. I think that skews your thought exercise.

I am fully vaccinated and boosted. I wear an N95 everywhere outside of my apartment because I am at risk of a more serious case due to age (70s) and 2 health conditions. There is a large number of seniors in my county, partly because younger people leave for education and jobs elsewhere. I suspect that the high number of seniors is related to the vaccinated people who are hospitalized. Since I am in the same age and health category as many of them, it is a cause of concern for me.

Nasruddin

(754 posts)
70. You ask a good question
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:50 PM
Jan 2022

Which I hope someone in your county, or state, or elsewhere will look into.

I would *guess* that the age bias in the county, plus a general lack of boosters in the population as a whole, is a factor
(I *guess* it's well under the fully vaccinated number in yr county; maybe 40 %).

wnylib

(21,484 posts)
72. Nobody here will be looking into it.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:57 PM
Jan 2022

The county commissioner is Republican. After Governor Hochul announced a mask mandate in all public places, the county commissioner immediately made a public announcement That he will not enforce it.

royable

(1,264 posts)
74. Sorry, I hadn't even thought aboout age brackets.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 07:21 PM
Jan 2022

I think you may have just explained the reason for approximately equal numbers of vaxxed and unvaxxed in the hospital. If the older population is both more likely to have received the vaccine and more likely to become ill enough for hospitalization if they get COVID, that too could somewhat balance out the numbers. Though, then you'd perhaps expect the hospitalized unvaxxed to to have even MORE of a skew toward the older population, since COVID hits the older pop. harder and the unvaxxed harder. Do your county statitics provide cross-tabs of the % or # in each age group among the vaxxed vs unvaxxed who are hospitalized?

Sounds as though your county has an epidemic of obliviousness. Sorry to hear that. It's not unique to your area, though that's not really any consolation. See my posting from a week ago
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216228357
when, by stepping out of my normal routine, I encountered some of the unmasked idiots I'd been unaware of.

wnylib

(21,484 posts)
98. The county has an epidemic of magats.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:31 AM
Jan 2022

Only the 2 cities are blue and one is more of a bluish purple.

The county does not break down the hospitalized by age. But it keeps a running total of deaths by age each week, so I can roughly figure out the ages of the hospitalized when the hospitalizations briefly go down and the deaths go up, before the hospitalizations go back up again.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
120. Most people in their 20s will talk that way
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 04:48 PM
Jan 2022

I'm pretty sure I said something similar when I was in my 20s. It may mean something totally different now in 2022 than it did in 1972, but it's still a young man's bragging. I forgive David Hogg though because he's still got a long way to go. I just hope he doesn't get too discouraged.

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
14. They're owning the libs
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:41 PM
Jan 2022

they can drink pee if they want. Their body their choice like they always say on non-abortion public health issues that impact everyone around them. These people choose to gather indoors real close with other like-minded unvaccinated unmasked conservatives to share COVID with each other. And we'll have fewer of them by next election.

My sympathies are only for innocent bystanders they take down with them.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
23. Good question
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jan 2022

Part of the answer lies in the risk analysis the CDC put out and its purpose, which is very different from an analysis in terms of numbers of deaths among a certain voting population. The CDC risk ratios are intended to tell us what by what factor is elevated for a particular group, all else being equal - in other words, given otherwise identical age, demographic information, etc. but one person is white and another is Black or Hispanic, how much more likely would one be to die? But it doesn't say anything about the numbers of people in those categories.

There may be twice the risk of death for Blacks and Hispanics, but there are three times as many white voters. Moreover, the CDC is doing an age adjustment, and Trump voters also skew older, meaning that using the racial risk factor would overestimate the number of deaths among Black and Hispanic voters relative to Trump voters (vs. white voters). And for that matter, it also seems probable that Black and Hispanic Trump voters die at even further elevated rates than do non-Trumper Blacks and Hispanics.

Pinback

(12,157 posts)
24. Yep, inconvenient statistic.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jan 2022

Maybe, just maybe, there are a good many Democratic voters living in “Red” states. I dunno, just blue-skying here.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
17. I've always loved irony. Since I was a kid....
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jan 2022

Things like Catch-22's character, Major Major's dad, the fiercely independent "non farmer" have always made me chuckle. So, in this case, it's a question of...should we fight the virus by forcing vaccination on the them or simply let the meter keep running to help us politically? I'm so conflicted!

mahina

(17,665 posts)
19. So terrible
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:54 PM
Jan 2022

💧

How they vote- maybe silver lining to the black cloud but it’s a thin lining and a huge horrible dark cloud.

I don’t think I’ve heard any stories in the news about how badly we are doing compared to other countries. We have some thing like 25% of the cases in the world almost all because that orange fucker wouldn’t do his job because he didn’t want to look bad.

Now they are harassing dr Fauci who dedicated his life to helping.

It’s insane that anybody’s even thinking about electing chump for anything. They’ve managed to divide us against our own people and it makes me so sad.

The other night I came upon this representative from Florida named Kat Cammack’s live fb feed. It was obviously digitally promoted on fb because she just kept on popping up and I’m 5500 miles away give or take.

She was all dished up with very nice hair and make up and lighting in her office reading a whole list of utter lies off a script with a lot of agita. Democrats are trying to control elections and make it impossible for Republicans to have a win, we’re trying to end this country, we hate America, all this utter bullshit. It’s no wonder that people in the south think the worst because that is getting sold to them every time they turn on their computer.

I’m going for a walk. Then I’m going to bake a pie. Then I’m going for a swim. God bless our health care workers.

Shermann

(7,423 posts)
20. I think the deaths will in fact be skewed enough to the right to be statistically significant
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:56 PM
Jan 2022

It seems plausible. The deaths are also skewed towards older folks who are more likely to vote.

Jazz Jon

(109 posts)
22. Good news
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 04:59 PM
Jan 2022

Now there's some good news. And it seems nothing will convince these dopes to get vaccinated or wear a mask. In the end, maybe it's Darwin ( natural selection) who will bail us out. The miracle we were looking for.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
25. Every trumpanzee I've talked to says most of those deaths aren't really COVID related.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:08 PM
Jan 2022

it's just doctors putting it down as COVID.
There is absolutely no reaching those people's brains.

It started out that they didn't believe COVID existed. Then they said it does exist, but the numbers are being exaggerated.
Right out of the horse-trump's mouth.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
31. My FIL makes the same arguement.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jan 2022

He says doctors and hospitals get money for every death caused by COVID so that's what they do, they write down COVID as the cause of death even if it was something else.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
42. A coworker tried that BS argument with me in the break room
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:37 PM
Jan 2022

I flat out asked him, where will you take your kids now when they get sick? How can you take your kids to doctors who you think are so corrupt they'll lie for money? If you truly believed that, you'd never take your kids to the doctor again.

I said this knowing his kids were severely premature twins and are only alive today thanks to medical science and the doctors who he just bad-mouthed.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
44. I told my FIL that it's illegal to falsify a death certificate.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:41 PM
Jan 2022

His answer was that they were all crooks. Except of course, for the ones he trusts and goes to.

Slammer

(714 posts)
76. try this
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 08:20 PM
Jan 2022

I had a relative try to pull that crap with me.

So I asked him who was paying them the extra money to write down "COVID".

Because it wasn't in any legislation that Trump signed into law and it wasn't part of any Biden legislation. And the insurance companies aren't colluding together to pay out more money than they have to.

So where would that money be coming from.?

He dithered for a moment then muttered, "Well, at least that was what I heard" and let it drop.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
77. He said "Crazy Joe" pays out the money.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 08:29 PM
Jan 2022

I don't really argue much with the guy. It upsets my wife and there's no changing his mind anyways.

Plus, he's 82, lost the love of his life a couple of years ago and he's always ready to help a family member or friend.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
27. I think any such effect will be measurable but small
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:09 PM
Jan 2022

And by "small" I mean in comparison to the likely effects of GOP voter suppression. The voting rights bill is still critical!

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
33. Don't you understand? They don't care if they lose votes.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:26 PM
Jan 2022

They want to control the vote counting. Actual results are immaterial.

Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Moebym

(989 posts)
35. Any reduction in the proportion of GOP voters in the voting rolls
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:27 PM
Jan 2022

Will be negated by voter suppression efforts and disillusionment from Dem voters who are upset about something Biden or Congressional Democrats have or haven't done and can't bring themselves to vote for Dems again.

And worse yet, the proportion of non-whites that vote Democratic has been trending downward.

patphil

(6,180 posts)
39. I've come to a similar conclusion.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jan 2022

Republicans currently appear to be taking themselves out of the voting booth to the tune of over 1000 per day. They've been doing that for a year of vaccine denial, and it could result in 400,000 - 500,000 less Republican voters nationwide by the fall election.
Add to that all those long covid people who perhaps won't be going to polling locations, and might not be able to get mail in ballots, the number could double.
And then you have moderate Republicans and Independents who may choose to stay home or vote Democrat rather than install insurrection minded trump humpers.

I think there's a possibility the insane policies of the right wing could cost their party a couple million votes this fall.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
40. Let's not get carried away with optimism (over tragic
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:36 PM
Jan 2022

news aside). If they take 2022, and then 2024, none of this will matter; for at least a decade or two, over which time irreversible damage and destruction could occur.

We thought 2020 was urgent, but given what we know and see going on now, it pales in comparison to 22 and 24. We are in a fight for our life — for America as we have always known it.

With the voter suppression laws now being passed in too many State’s, the unrelenting assault on voter confidence in elections by the GQP, an ideologically slanted SCOTUS, and a ticking clock relative to the Select Committee Investigation, these Covid deaths may not much matter to the outcome in 2022.

It’s do or die time for the Select Committee in my view. If I were king, I wouldn’t bank on 22, even with these death-related voter projections being accurate.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
41. Count me as one who thinks that not enough actual Trump voters are dying
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:37 PM
Jan 2022

to make a difference in the next election. At this point, fewer than 1 million have died from Covid, although that number is probably somewhat higher than the official counts. And while the majority tend to be older people, who on average vote in higher numbers than younger people, the reality is that voting participation is shockingly low in this country, all across the political spectrum.

So if half of those who have died so far were active voters, that's still going to barely impact the 2022 elections, less so down the road. Unless, of course, a new extremely virulent and deadly mutation pops up and selectively kills the unvaccinated.

CCExile

(469 posts)
46. But is it enough...
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jan 2022

to counteract gerrymandering and voter suppression? Probably not. It's just a "feel good" story.

LiberalFighter

(50,943 posts)
53. Don't forget the ones managing to survive.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:01 PM
Jan 2022

Majority of them will be Republicans. They are likely to have long term medical conditions in addition to shorter life expectancy and find less of a priority to vote.

Maybe by then they can be induced to take magical potions consisting urine and other special elixirs which require them to avoid wireless signals.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
54. I am not in any way shocked by this.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:07 PM
Jan 2022

Trump supporters are the ones who who are buying into the anti-vax shit posting on Facebook and it's literally killing them.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
58. If only they would just kill themselves
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:19 PM
Jan 2022


Arizona by 10,000 votes. Total deaths in AZ = 25,000

Georgia by 13,000. Deaths = 31,000

Wisconsin by 21,000. Deaths = 11,649

Nevada by 33,000. Deaths = 8,627

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
63. It is somewhat darkly amusing the way we all assume...
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:23 PM
Jan 2022

that actual voter counts will even matter in many of the hardest hit and most deeply red controlled states.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
65. If they mattered, we know the GOP would do something...
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:32 PM
Jan 2022

...you can look at a breakdown of COVID rates by congressional district here: https://geographicinsights.iq.harvard.edu/coviduscongress

As far as I can tell the death rate simply isn't enough to actually sway the numbers, even though they are disproportionately Republican across the board. If, and I mean if, the numbers were even 1% higher the Republicans would be the ones calling for masks. If the death rate was 5% they would have road blocks and forced masks and vaccination...

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
85. I think that will change come Summer, 85% of US adults are vaxed and the ones who continue ...
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 09:34 PM
Jan 2022

... to die will be MAGA by far.

That source is showing deaths since 2020, deaths after vaxes were available are no doubt mostly MAGA.

I'm think we'll get close to that 1% knowing there's going to be another variant before COVID burns out.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
89. *If* it reaches that level you will see a *distinct*...
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:12 PM
Jan 2022

...flip from GOPers with regards to vaccines and masks and social distancing.

They have some of the strongest analysts in the world, Cambridge Analytic etc. They are watching, carefully. But I have looked up about a dozen red districts with high death rates and it doesn't seem to be a big deal, since they win them by 30+ points every time. Even close districts there aren't enough numbers. The thing is we're a huge country so we see these numbers but they're spread out among dozens of districts.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
84. True its dark but it's not just deeply red states, its red people even in purple areas. This is a ..
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 09:30 PM
Jan 2022

... granular stupid act by MAGAs and they are going into the ground with it.

85% of us adults have at least one shot, 100% of the 15% left are voting age and

- few under 40 are dying, the 40 and over demo in the US vote the most
- 75% of unvaxed Trump voters vow to never get shot
- There's NO DOUBT that the hospitalized and dying are 95% unvaxed

Again, dark ... but I do think these number will end up making a difference going forward.

I know it wont be all MAGA but if they want to off themselves cause they're stupid and they're in purple areas well, we tried our best to warn them IMHO.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
104. Arizona is roughly 80% white, and 2nd in Covid deaths per million.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 09:23 AM
Jan 2022
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/AZ

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Lots of elderly, retired white Covidiot Republicans in Arizona.

President Biden won AZ by roughly 10,500 votes

Sept. 2021 in Florida:

Florida's county-level COVID-19 death reports publicly available for first time in months
snip---
Sumter County, where Trump got 68% of the vote, has the second-highest recorded recent death rate, at 45 for every 100,000 residents. It's home to The Villages, a Republican-dominated retirement community where 81% of residents are vaccinated, the state’s second-highest inoculation rate.

https://www.news-press.com/story/news/2021/09/15/florida-releases-county-covid-19-death-data-first-time-months/8347397002/


It is likely that most of these deaths in The Villages occurred prior to the availability of a vaccine.

Any way you slice it, Republicans are making each other sick, and killing each other, everywhere in the US. Birds of a feather flock together, and their scorn of pandemic protocols combined with their tendency to associate with other Republicans in both large and small groups naturally infers that they are far more likely to catch, spread, be hospitalized, and die from Covid.

How Republicans Are Killing Their Supporters

With the Supreme Court reconsidering Roe v. Wade, Republicans self-identify as the party that supports a right to life. In the case of the pandemic, however, they have become the party of sickness and death. Strangely, the people they have most effectively afflicted are their own supporters.

The proposition that the Republican Party has become a death cult is supported by the chart below. It shows that the stronger a state’s Trump support in the 2020 presidential election, the higher the number of residents suffering a COVID-19 infection.

The vertical scale in the chart shows the percentage of state residents that were diagnosed with Covid between April and the end of November of this year. I chose April 2021 as the starting point because that was the month when Covid vaccines were made available to any adult who chose to get them.

The horizontal axis shows the percentage of the two-candidate vote that went to Joe Biden. Thus, the left side of the chart is made up of states that voted for Donald Trump.

https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2021/12/08/data-wonk-how-republicans-are-killing-their-supporters/


Democrats should make it a life affirming choice to have as little personal contact with Republicans as possible. Even if Republicans are vaccinated, they most likely hang out with other Republicans who are not vaccinated, do not follow pandemic protocols, and who are infected, whether they show symptoms or not.

Natural selection and science: they are like magic, only real.

BlueWavePsych

(2,635 posts)
113. Any way you slice it,
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:10 PM
Jan 2022
Republicans are making each other sick, and killing each other, everywhere in the US. Birds of a feather flock together, and their scorn of pandemic protocols combined with their tendency to associate with other Republicans in both large and small groups naturally infers that they are far more likely to catch, spread, be hospitalized, and die from Covid.


Sums it up quite succinctly.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,299 posts)
71. There will be a TFG super spreader event in Texas later this month
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 06:54 PM
Jan 2022

Arggh https://politicalwire.com/2022/01/14/trump-to-rally-supporters-in-texas/

Trump to Rally Supporters In Texas
January 14, 2022 at 3:22 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 132 Comments

Former President Donald Trump will hold a rally in Texas later this month as he looks to ramp up his travel schedule ahead of the 2022 midterm elections, The Hill reports.

He’s holding a rally in Arizona this weekend.

I suspect the death rate will go up after this event.

GB_RN

(2,356 posts)
80. I'm Waiting For One Of These Clowns To Suggest...
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 08:42 PM
Jan 2022

The next best thing to horse paste and drinking urine: Horse PISS!

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
83. I think that would be 1000, 85% of US adults have at least one shot. The 15% left are getting bent
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 09:22 PM
Jan 2022

... bad

93. I have zero fux to give about unvaccinated T**** voters.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:44 PM
Jan 2022

I have slightly fewer fux to give about unvaccinated adults in general.

I feel angry about parents who refuse to have their children vaccinated.

I feel sad for the children who will grow up without parents.

I am furious that T**** isn't on a ventilator for the next 10 years in a hospital room with only MSNBC on the television.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
94. I still have no pity.....he and they have blood on there hands literally....
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:25 AM
Jan 2022

you cannot and will not fix "stupid".....

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
95. We better keep a watch on how many dead Trump voters vote in the next election.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:37 AM
Jan 2022

Seriously, someone needs to keep track of the obits in relation to the voter roles….

IzzaNuDay

(362 posts)
97. Makes me wonder how many dead will vote GOP?
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:19 AM
Jan 2022

I can see this coming— especially as we near election season. For example John Doe votes by mail. However the day before Election Day, he expires. He voted straight GOP. Think his vote has a chance?

(Please experienced electors, can you help
Me with this one?) TIA!

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,672 posts)
101. 74 million racist idiots who voted TFG is what is killing me !
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 03:15 AM
Jan 2022

he is a cheater
a liar
a fraud
sociopath
rude
mean
an idiot
a sore loser and yet.

They think he is awesome...WTF have we become as a country!!!

bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
102. Just not the right ones
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 07:03 AM
Jan 2022

Tell them marijuana is a total cure. Might add the bonus of altering a few of the remaining's minds.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
109. This is why they want to be in charge of counting the votes.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:34 PM
Jan 2022

If you can no longer influence the voters, throw out the votes you don't like.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,349 posts)
118. And not a single one will ever know (or admit) that they've been played as suckers
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 02:32 PM
Jan 2022

by the GOP leadership who don't give a shit about them.

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