Yes, it's absurd, but fraudulent certificates are still fraudulent

[Nevilledog]

https://www.editorialboard.com/yes-its-absurd-but-fraudulent-certificates-are-still-fraudulent/

No paywall
https://archive.fo/jZgBe

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Disturbingly, these fake voters were mostly real Trump electors who had been sidelined because Trump lost their states. These weren’t just randos cosplaying as electors. They were public officials who betrayed their position of trust.

The results of these sham votes for Trump were memorialized as fraudulent “certificates of ascertainment” and sent to Mike Pence as president of the Senate and to other federal and state officials. We know from Trump lawyer John Eastman’s notorious memos that Team Trump had big plans for those fraudulent slates of electors.

In the run-up to the J6 insurrection, Eastman wrote two notorious memos outlining how Trump could use baseless allegations of mass voter fraud as a pretext to steal the election during the certification ceremony (aka the long memo and the short memo).

The long memo begins with the observation that seven states have sent dual slates of electors to Mike Pence as president of the senate. It was Pence’s prerogative, Eastman insisted, to accept or reject electoral votes at his whim.

“The president of the Senate does the counting,” Eastman falsely asserted, “[…] and all the Members of Congress can do is watch.” According to Eastman, if a state legislature defied its governor and “certified” a fraudulent slate, Pence could simply ignore the real votes and count the fake ones.

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[Trueblue1968]

1. everyone who signed the fake certificate committeed a crime. THROW THEM IN THE SLAMMER.

[MyOwnPeace]

3. May they ALL........

get to spend special "LOCK THEM UP" time with their 'inspirational leader' - Michael Flynn!

[Kaleva]

2. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe no state sent dual slates of electors to Pence.

From the above article:

"The long memo begins with the observation that seven states have sent dual slates of electors to Mike Pence as president of the senate."

Groups of crackpots having their votes notarized and then sent by certified mail to the National Archives is not the same thing as a state doing it.

When MSM first reported this over a year ago, there was much discussion about it. Below are links to several such threads:

Here are links to OPs that discussed the news:

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 03:45 PM
Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's 11 votes for Trump"

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14710747

"Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:53 PM
Real Biden Elector Moves to Intervene Against Fake Trump Electors Who Sued VP Pence:"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214786069

"Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:47 PM
AZ Sec of State Hobbs asks AG to investigate fake electors for using state seal"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214758728

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 07:20 PM
Over in Freeperville, they're all wet over "Alternate GOP Electors" giving Trump the win."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214712142

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 04:40 PM
In the spirit of fake electors,"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214711050

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 04:30 PM

Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's votes"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214710987

[Nevilledog]

6. They sent fraudulent documents to the National Archives hoping Pence would "accept" them.

[Kaleva]

12. The states didn't do that though

[Nevilledog]

13. That's why it's a fraudulent slate of electors from those states

[Kaleva]

14. So the article in the OP is incorrect

This sentence:

"The long memo begins with the observation that seven states have sent dual slates of electors to Mike Pence as president of the senate."

Besides, no state sends a slate of of electors to the president of the Senate. Each state sends the President of the Senate one of 6 certified record of their electoral votes. Two certified copies are sent by registered mail to the Archivist of the United States. Two certified copies are sent to the state's secretary of state and one certified copy is sent to the chief judge of the United States district court where those electors met.

[Nevilledog]

15. Trumpists said the fraudulent slates *were* valid slates of electors. That's just another lie.

In reality there were no dual slates, but they live in an alternate reality.

They think if they say or write something that it's somehow true.

[EleanorR]

16. Jeff Clark from the DOJ said they had been submitted and would be opened by Pence

The Constitution mandates that Congress must set the day for Electors to meet to0 cast their ballots, which Congress did in 3 U.S.C. § 7, and which for this election occurred on December 14, 2020. The Department believes that in Georgia and several other States, both a slate of electors supporting Joseph R. Biden, Jr., and a separate slate of electors supporting Donald J. Trump, gathered on that day at the proper location to cast their ballots, and that both sets of those ballots have been transmitted to Washington, D.C., to be opened by Vice President Pence.

Looks like a conspiracy, not a group of crackpots.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21087991-jeffrey-clark-draft-letter

Link to tweet

[Kaleva]

17. Did Pence actually receive the fake votes?

Jeff Clark of the DOJ didn't handle the votes.

[C_U_L8R]

4. Trump put so much effort into cheating the system

that he forgot about actually winning. The results speak for themselves. Joe Biden kicked loser Trump's ass to the curb by many millions.

[sop]

5. It was part of a seditious conspiracy.

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. If they indict the fraudulent electors, one or more will flip

And likely provide evidence linking Eastman to the scheme.

Then Eastman will be in the hot seat…I don’t think he has Roger Stone-like loyalty to Trump…

[Hekate]

8. Many decades ago I had a friend who did something equally stupid, was talked into it by someone...

… equally silver-tongued, was convinced it was for the good and could be done in the dark and repaired in the dark.

He threw away his new career at the bank with his new MBA, and was damn lucky his boss decided to not prosecute and make a public stink about it. He basically left the state and started over, back where he started.

To say I never understood why he did what he did is putting it mildly. But he was only one of only two guys, and if his boss decided to be merciful, so be it.

Those “real Trump electors” were all talked into something much, much worse, as it involved a multi-state and probably multi-national conspiracy to overthrow the actual US government. Every one of them knew it was wrong, knew it was illegal — and none of them should be let off the hook.

[FakeNoose]

9. Most of us have only a small understanding what happens with the Electoral College

That's how Chump almost got away with this. To us at home, the electoral delegates voting was nothing more than a blip on the radar, because were we watching all the screaming idiots breaking down doors and beating up cops. The story about pieces of paper didn't seem very important at the time.

But now it seems earth-shattering, now that we're hearing the House Committee investigation. We're seeing the actual papers that were forged. Rachel laid it all out for us and explained the deception the Repukes were trying to pull. Now it all makes sense.

But Jeez, don't wait until we finally catch up! The important thing is to get these guys arrested and charged. There's plenty of time to explain it to us after the perpetrators are in prison for the rest of their lives.

[bucolic_frolic]

10. Guys like Eastman would have made very bad screenwriters

Guess that's why he became a lawyer.