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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsManchin now opposes "Talking Filibuster"
Because it doesn't have GOP support. Always moving the goal posts...
Link to tweet
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)Barrons paid him to destroy democracy.
THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION.
Trueblue1968
(17,223 posts)FBaggins
(26,743 posts)Storm the Capitol and drag him out?
Trueblue1968
(17,223 posts)Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)though to be slightly fair, he did say recently he wouldn't change anything unless he had some GOP support
ColinC
(8,300 posts)Also maybe they should again run requiring a minimum number of people to hold the floor to sustain the fillibuster...
3catwoman3
(24,005 posts)
or Lucy Manchin.
🏈 🏈 🏈
demmiblue
(36,858 posts)Link to tweet
texasleo
(11,298 posts)Is there a Democrat Party of which we are not aware?
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,114 posts)He doesn't even care about any of the specific issues.
If you care deeply about an issue you don't change your mind every day or every week.
tritsofme
(17,379 posts)Not sure how this would be considered a shift?
kysrsoze
(6,021 posts)LoisB
(7,206 posts)ColinC
(8,300 posts)bluestarone
(16,959 posts)Have some really bad shit on Manchin. He is owned for sure!
Calista241
(5,586 posts)budkin
(6,703 posts)Maybe after the GOP reclaims the Senate he will though.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)When he became an Independent and gave power back to the Democrats.
Jeffords agreed to vote with the Democrats on all procedural matters except with permission of the whip, in exchange for the committee seats that would have been available to Jeffords had he been a Democrat during his entire Senate tenure. Harry Reid even gave him a chairmanship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jeffords
Bernie Sanders today is an independent that caucuses with the Dems, and he's the Chair of the Budget Committee. I don't see any reason the Repubs wouldn't give Manchin whatever he wanted in exchange for him not caucusing with the Dems.
budkin
(6,703 posts)He really loves this attention now, and he would no longer have it. He'd just be another GOP Senator.
MichMan
(11,932 posts)budkin
(6,703 posts)Mitch will make sure it never comes to the floor.
FBaggins
(26,743 posts)He would still be the deciding vote for any Republican legislation since they would need 51 votes.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)he gets to wreck everything and get treated like a hero when he occasionally votes with Democrats.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)Appeasing republicans at the cost of our republic.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)He obviously doesn't have any intention of supporting Biden's goals. He's just pretending and delaying until Republicans are back in power.
PortTack
(32,771 posts)As far as the vote...he will have to vote no and go on record as a no...jerk
budkin
(6,703 posts)There's no way he'd be a Senator in WV otherwise.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)that was the only thing he wanted.
Once that was done, well...he's now done voting for anything.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)UTUSN
(70,700 posts)WHITT
(2,868 posts)He claimed he was FOR one position after another, until it was available, then one by one he flipped and was against them.
tritsofme
(17,379 posts)The so called nuclear option
Hes been consistent in considering formal rules changes, that require 67 votes.
andym
(5,443 posts)Just read how he was behaving 5 years ago:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/joe-manchin-senator-profile-west-virginia-red-state-democrat-bipartisan-214865/
"In November, when exiting Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, with whom Manchin had a frosty relationship, called Trump a sexual predator who lost the popular vote, Manchin noisily sided with Trump, saying Reids comments were an absolute embarrassment. In December, Manchin eagerly accepted the invitation to go to Trump Tower, issuing a statement that he was honored to meet with Trump and humbled to be considered for secretary of energy. It wasnt clear at the time whether he was ever in serious contention for the postTrump went with Perry shortly after meeting with Manchinbut a source familiar with GOP deliberations told Politico there was concerted maneuvering to get Manchin into the Trump administration, blessed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. In a Machiavellian play, McConnell hoped to remove Manchin from the Senate, the source says, believing it would all but guarantee the seat going to a Republican. There was serious effort to get him into the Cabinet, a top GOP official said. Manchin pooh-poohed this: I talked to Mitch a few times, but it was nothing, he said. It wasnt anything about, I want you to do anything.
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Either way, Manchin continued in January with his pro-Trump activity. He skipped a meeting on the Hill to discuss health care with Obama and fellow Democrats because he couldnt in good conscience talk to only Democrats. He announced his support for Trumps selection to lead the EPA, Scott Pruitt, a climate-change denier who has been an antagonist of the agency he was tapped to lead, by participating in a highly unusual joint news release with Trumps transition team, in which Manchin was quoted saying he and Pruitt had a great deal in common.
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You cant really blame Joe, another Senate Democrat said. You can blame West Virginia.
And he really tries, I think, to help when he can, said Dick Durbin of Illinois. But there are times when he cant.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York gave Manchin a leadership role after the election in November, tasking him with, among other things, improving Democrats messaging to Democrats, or one-time Democrats who voted for Trump in places like West Virginia. And on the sixth day of the Trump presidency, at a retreat for Senate Democrats in Shepherdstown, West Virginia, Manchin hosted a panel of half a dozen such peoplepeople whose families he has known for a long time, people who have voted for Manchin who nonetheless also voted for Trump. Some of Manchins colleagues got more out of the session than othersSenator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut called it interesting, but certainly not novelbut the overall takeaway was sufficiently simple: These are the sorts of people Democrats are going to have to win back, at least if they want to win again in areas that are red and getting redder, and they will vote for a Democrat so long as that Democrat looks something like Manchin. Joe, Durbin told Politico, is a reminder to us."
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OTOH he voted to convict Trump twice, no matter that he was chummy with Trump earlier, and he votes for Democratic court picks. My guess if a McCain was still alive on the GOP side, McCain might side with Democrats enough to convince Manchin, but who knows if McCain would have gone for voting rights?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,619 posts)Put your Fascist mouth on the official record, Manchin.
Sympthsical
(9,074 posts)Because it's not the one he personally crafted.
So, he finds these excuses so he doesn't have to come right out and say it.
ZonkerHarris
(24,228 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)He's a bought and paid for stooge. End of story. He's not a fucking Democrat. Can we stop fucking pretending???
moondust
(19,988 posts)insists on having the power to stop the U.S. government in its tracks as he sips Mint Juleps in a lounge chair on the rear deck.