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Manchin now opposes "Talking Filibuster" (Original Post) budkin Jan 2022 OP
Manchin opposes everything Democratic because republicans and oil onecaliberal Jan 2022 #1
remove MANCHIN from the Senate now. Trueblue1968 Jan 2022 #24
How? FBaggins Jan 2022 #37
your comment sounds good to me. Trueblue1968 Jan 2022 #44
I'm shocked I tell you, shocked. nt Phoenix61 Jan 2022 #2
What an ASSHOLE LymphocyteLover Jan 2022 #3
what would a talking fillibuster with 60 votes required look like? ColinC Jan 2022 #4
I think I will start calling him either Joe Van Pelt... 3catwoman3 Jan 2022 #5
Manchin also downplayed the idea that voters of color will be disenfranchised this year... demmiblue Jan 2022 #6
Exactly MLAA Jan 2022 #7
The "Democrat caucus" ??? texasleo Jan 2022 #8
Goddamn Walleye Jan 2022 #43
That gif is amazing. Calista241 Jan 2022 #11
Every time he opens his mouth he damages Biden and our party. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #9
Manchin has consistently opposed using the nuclear option for rules changes. tritsofme Jan 2022 #10
So he opposes the original intention of the filibuster? Asshat liar. kysrsoze Jan 2022 #12
Yeah. Say it "ain't" so, Joe. LoisB Jan 2022 #13
What if instead of a majority, they just automatically end debate if no opposition is speaking ColinC Jan 2022 #14
Whoever it is, they must bluestarone Jan 2022 #15
Anyone else worried he'll say "fuck it" and change his party affiliation? Calista241 Jan 2022 #16
No, he'd be instantly made irrelevant budkin Jan 2022 #21
The last time a Senator flipped was Jim Jeffords. Calista241 Jan 2022 #26
I just mean that he would no longer be the focus of every single piece of legislation budkin Jan 2022 #27
Wouldn't he still be a tie breaking vote either way? MichMan Jan 2022 #33
No because if the GOP are in the majority, the Democrats' legislation will never even get a vote budkin Jan 2022 #34
Democrats aren't the only ones writing legislation FBaggins Jan 2022 #38
Nah, he loves the attention he gets from being the eternal spoiler Bettie Jan 2022 #39
Democrats are destroying Biden. And it sucks. dem4decades Jan 2022 #17
The Neville Chamberlain of the 21st century. boston bean Jan 2022 #18
At least Neville Chamberlain had noble intentions. nt Gore1FL Jan 2022 #22
He's just stringing Democrats along Poiuyt Jan 2022 #19
This is just the worst kind of behavior..kicking the party that elected you..money and greed PortTack Jan 2022 #23
To be fair, most of his support is from Republicans budkin Jan 2022 #25
He got the infrastructure bill Bettie Jan 2022 #40
He probably voted for Trump because Biden didn't have GOP support... nt Gore1FL Jan 2022 #20
K&R he is so over UTUSN Jan 2022 #28
Proof Manchin Was Lying All Along WHITT Jan 2022 #29
To be fair, Manchin has never signaled openness to changing the rules by majority vote tritsofme Jan 2022 #31
Manchin's political philosophy is to do things as a Democrat that Republicans would agree with andym Jan 2022 #30
Make. Him. Vote. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #32
He doesn't support the voting bill Sympthsical Jan 2022 #35
Manchin stays bought. ZonkerHarris Jan 2022 #36
Fuck him vercetti2021 Jan 2022 #41
Old man on yacht moondust Jan 2022 #42

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
1. Manchin opposes everything Democratic because republicans and oil
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:05 PM
Jan 2022

Barron’s paid him to destroy democracy.
THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION.

LymphocyteLover

(5,644 posts)
3. What an ASSHOLE
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:07 PM
Jan 2022

though to be slightly fair, he did say recently he wouldn't change anything unless he had some GOP support

ColinC

(8,300 posts)
4. what would a talking fillibuster with 60 votes required look like?
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:09 PM
Jan 2022

Also maybe they should again run requiring a minimum number of people to hold the floor to sustain the fillibuster...

demmiblue

(36,858 posts)
6. Manchin also downplayed the idea that voters of color will be disenfranchised this year...
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:10 PM
Jan 2022
Manchin also downplayed the idea that voters of color will be disenfranchised this year, saying the courts will strike down laws that are unconstitutional. “The government will stand behind them to make sure they have the right to vote.”




Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
9. Every time he opens his mouth he damages Biden and our party.
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:21 PM
Jan 2022

He doesn't even care about any of the specific issues.

If you care deeply about an issue you don't change your mind every day or every week.

tritsofme

(17,379 posts)
10. Manchin has consistently opposed using the nuclear option for rules changes.
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:22 PM
Jan 2022

Not sure how this would be considered a shift?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
26. The last time a Senator flipped was Jim Jeffords.
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:00 PM
Jan 2022

When he became an Independent and gave power back to the Democrats.

Jeffords agreed to vote with the Democrats on all procedural matters except with permission of the whip, in exchange for the committee seats that would have been available to Jeffords had he been a Democrat during his entire Senate tenure. Harry Reid even gave him a chairmanship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jeffords

Bernie Sanders today is an independent that caucuses with the Dems, and he's the Chair of the Budget Committee. I don't see any reason the Repubs wouldn't give Manchin whatever he wanted in exchange for him not caucusing with the Dems.

budkin

(6,703 posts)
27. I just mean that he would no longer be the focus of every single piece of legislation
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:02 PM
Jan 2022

He really loves this attention now, and he would no longer have it. He'd just be another GOP Senator.

budkin

(6,703 posts)
34. No because if the GOP are in the majority, the Democrats' legislation will never even get a vote
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:57 PM
Jan 2022

Mitch will make sure it never comes to the floor.

FBaggins

(26,743 posts)
38. Democrats aren't the only ones writing legislation
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:04 PM
Jan 2022

He would still be the deciding vote for any Republican legislation since they would need 51 votes.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
39. Nah, he loves the attention he gets from being the eternal spoiler
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:06 PM
Jan 2022

he gets to wreck everything and get treated like a hero when he occasionally votes with Democrats.

Poiuyt

(18,125 posts)
19. He's just stringing Democrats along
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:32 PM
Jan 2022

He obviously doesn't have any intention of supporting Biden's goals. He's just pretending and delaying until Republicans are back in power.

PortTack

(32,771 posts)
23. This is just the worst kind of behavior..kicking the party that elected you..money and greed
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:42 PM
Jan 2022

As far as the vote...he will have to vote no and go on record as a no...jerk

budkin

(6,703 posts)
25. To be fair, most of his support is from Republicans
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:56 PM
Jan 2022

There's no way he'd be a Senator in WV otherwise.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
40. He got the infrastructure bill
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:07 PM
Jan 2022

that was the only thing he wanted.

Once that was done, well...he's now done voting for anything.

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
29. Proof Manchin Was Lying All Along
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:11 PM
Jan 2022

He claimed he was FOR one position after another, until it was available, then one by one he flipped and was against them.

tritsofme

(17,379 posts)
31. To be fair, Manchin has never signaled openness to changing the rules by majority vote
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:35 PM
Jan 2022

The so called “nuclear option”

He’s been consistent in considering formal rules changes, that require 67 votes.

andym

(5,443 posts)
30. Manchin's political philosophy is to do things as a Democrat that Republicans would agree with
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:23 PM
Jan 2022

Just read how he was behaving 5 years ago:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/joe-manchin-senator-profile-west-virginia-red-state-democrat-bipartisan-214865/
"In November, when exiting Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, with whom Manchin had a frosty relationship, called Trump “a sexual predator who lost the popular vote,” Manchin noisily sided with Trump, saying Reid’s comments were “an absolute embarrassment.” In December, Manchin eagerly accepted the invitation to go to Trump Tower, issuing a statement that he was “honored” to meet with Trump and “humbled” to be considered for secretary of energy. It wasn’t clear at the time whether he was ever in serious contention for the post—Trump went with Perry shortly after meeting with Manchin—but a source familiar with GOP deliberations told Politico there was concerted maneuvering to get Manchin into the Trump administration, blessed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. In a Machiavellian play, McConnell hoped to remove Manchin from the Senate, the source says, believing it would all but guarantee the seat going to a Republican. “There was serious effort to get him into the Cabinet,” a top GOP official said. Manchin pooh-poohed this: “I talked to Mitch a few times, but it was nothing,” he said. “It wasn’t anything about, ‘I want you to do anything.’”
...
Either way, Manchin continued in January with his pro-Trump activity. He skipped a meeting on the Hill to discuss health care with Obama and fellow Democrats because he couldn’t “in good conscience” talk to “only Democrats.” He announced his support for Trump’s selection to lead the EPA, Scott Pruitt, a climate-change denier who has been an antagonist of the agency he was tapped to lead, by participating in a highly unusual joint news release with Trump’s transition team, in which Manchin was quoted saying he and Pruitt had “a great deal in common.”
...
“You can’t really blame Joe,” another Senate Democrat said. “You can blame West Virginia.”
“And he really tries, I think, to help when he can,” said Dick Durbin of Illinois. “But there are times when he can’t.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York gave Manchin a leadership role after the election in November, tasking him with, among other things, improving Democrats’ “messaging” to Democrats, or one-time Democrats who voted for Trump in places like West Virginia. And on the sixth day of the Trump presidency, at a retreat for Senate Democrats in Shepherdstown, West Virginia, Manchin hosted a panel of half a dozen such people—people whose families he has known for a long time, people who have voted for Manchin who nonetheless also voted for Trump. Some of Manchin’s colleagues got more out of the session than others—Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut called it “interesting, but certainly not novel”—but the overall takeaway was sufficiently simple: These are the sorts of people Democrats are going to have to win back, at least if they want to win again in areas that are red and getting redder, and they will vote for a Democrat so long as that Democrat looks something like Manchin. “Joe,” Durbin told Politico, “is a reminder to us.”"
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OTOH he voted to convict Trump twice, no matter that he was chummy with Trump earlier, and he votes for Democratic court picks. My guess if a McCain was still alive on the GOP side, McCain might side with Democrats enough to convince Manchin, but who knows if McCain would have gone for voting rights?

Sympthsical

(9,074 posts)
35. He doesn't support the voting bill
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:58 PM
Jan 2022

Because it's not the one he personally crafted.

So, he finds these excuses so he doesn't have to come right out and say it.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
41. Fuck him
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:08 PM
Jan 2022

He's a bought and paid for stooge. End of story. He's not a fucking Democrat. Can we stop fucking pretending???

moondust

(19,988 posts)
42. Old man on yacht
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:08 PM
Jan 2022

insists on having the power to stop the U.S. government in its tracks as he sips Mint Juleps in a lounge chair on the rear deck.

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