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Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:17 AM Jan 2022

Kudos to Senate Leader Chuck Schumer for holding the vote anyway.

Short of success, I believe the silver lining from this vote was critical to the American Peoples' awareness as to how important each of our United Senators consider democracy to be and where they actually stand on the issue.

For any democratic nation to function well, the people have to be aware as to who supports what in order to more effectively hold their government accountable.

The filibuster is nothing but an enemy of accountability, smoke and mirrors meant to hide or separate cowardly Senators from the people.

The filibuster only makes it easier for Senators to be bought and paid for, or at least leased for a while by big money, because they can essentially hide their voting record from the people.

So I believe this vote will be invaluable for years to come in allowing the American People a better gauge of their Senators and will make it easier to have accountability if there is to be any.




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Kudos to Senate Leader Chuck Schumer for holding the vote anyway. (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2022 OP
It had to be done madville Jan 2022 #1
The talk is she has Presidential ambitions, and she's working both sides of the aisle. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #3
That's laughable madville Jan 2022 #5
What real progressive would vote for het? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2022 #16
They are real progressives now? madville Jan 2022 #19
Yeah, except that insanely large numbers of Americans have no clue as to what's going on here, Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #2
Shithole Nation nt SoCalDavidS Jan 2022 #4
I believe we are fighting against decades of corporate propaganda Uncle Joe Jan 2022 #7
It kind of sucks that we have to count on the Jan 6th investigation to provide Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #8
I am a bit more optimistic, Uncle Joe Jan 2022 #9
Deep down, I believe the same. Let's hope, Joe. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #23
They had to make all 52 republicans go on record. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #6
what record ,ya' go to do something before ya can have a record of something ? monkeyman1 Jan 2022 #10
They refused to advance any rule for legislation supporting voting right. We all saw it. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #22
This is why McConnell would never bring anything to a vote Freddie Jan 2022 #11
The republican voters will reward them for sticking together. Emile Jan 2022 #13
Agree Deminpenn Jan 2022 #12
Not sure... Lars39 Jan 2022 #17
Even if we lose control of the Senate? MichMan Jan 2022 #18
It's a House committee, not a Senate committee Deminpenn Jan 2022 #20
I thought you were referring to Senate candidates, since you mentioned Toomey MichMan Jan 2022 #25
If Rs get control of the Senate and want Deminpenn Jan 2022 #28
Dems top ticket to bottom can campaign on it now. lindysalsagal Jan 2022 #14
Not sure how useful it was (n/t) Patton French Jan 2022 #15
Useful to remind voters that 16 GOP had voted FOR voting rights before... Samrob Jan 2022 #21
I doubt it. A lot of stupid Americans can't even name their senators let alone hold them totodeinhere Jan 2022 #24
Just keep the message simple, Republicans in Congress Uncle Joe Jan 2022 #26
The two of them should be treated as spying on Democrats now pwb Jan 2022 #27

madville

(7,412 posts)
1. It had to be done
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:20 AM
Jan 2022

To put them on record as trying. It won’t hurt Manchin at all, Sinema may not care about running again regardless, she’s gonna have a tough primary if so.

madville

(7,412 posts)
5. That's laughable
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:26 AM
Jan 2022

She wouldn’t get 5% in either party’s primary. Now could she be a Green Party spoiler? Possibly

madville

(7,412 posts)
19. They are real progressives now?
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 10:24 AM
Jan 2022

I thought they just liked spoiling elections by peeling a few votes off the Democrats, figured they would just want the biggest name they can get to fundraise on.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
2. Yeah, except that insanely large numbers of Americans have no clue as to what's going on here,
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:21 AM
Jan 2022

and they don't really understand what's at stake. Plus, they have the attention span of gnats.

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
7. I believe we are fighting against decades of corporate propaganda
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:33 AM
Jan 2022

that has only served to sell the people, not actually engage them.

That's why American People in general have become more apathetic.

It's imperative that we keep January 6th front and center and all true believers of freedom and democracy do the same.






Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
8. It kind of sucks that we have to count on the Jan 6th investigation to provide
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:48 AM
Jan 2022

some damage to the GOP, because that's the only thing that will shine a light on who is fucking everything up. It will sway some at election time, but I don't think it will help with all of the election rigging that the GOP is actively perpetrating in certain regions. Maybe I'm wrong.

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
9. I am a bit more optimistic,
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:50 AM
Jan 2022

despite their election rigging, I believe the Republicans will get their ass handed to them in November.

Freddie

(9,269 posts)
11. This is why McConnell would never bring anything to a vote
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 05:39 AM
Jan 2022

He didn’t want R Senators to have their names officially attached to voting against popular legislation. So yes, it did some good.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
12. Agree
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 06:06 AM
Jan 2022

In fact, in Pennsylvania every Dem who is currently running to replace Pat Toomey has pledged to vote to end the filibuster if elected to the Senate. The interesting part is that Conor Lamb, a proud moderate and centrist, is among them.

Also, jmho, but once the 1/6 committee hearings go live on TV and Americans hear the facts and the tick-tock, the fealty to Trump will collapse just like it did to Nixon during the Watergate hearings. That lead to the a tidal wave of Watergate reform candidates being elected in 1974 in both the House and Senate. I could see that happening again.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
20. It's a House committee, not a Senate committee
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jan 2022

Control of the Senate is irrelevent. Further, the televised hearings will happen before the Nov election.
Remember the Watergate hearings happened in the summer and Nixon resigned in Aug of '74, just 2 months before the 1974 mid-terms.

MichMan

(11,950 posts)
25. I thought you were referring to Senate candidates, since you mentioned Toomey
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 03:51 PM
Jan 2022
"In fact, in Pennsylvania every Dem who is currently running to replace Pat Toomey has pledged to vote to end the filibuster if elected to the Senate."

My question was, should any of them be elected, but we still lose control of the Senate, are they now pledging that they would vote with Republicans to get rid of the filibuster ?

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
28. If Rs get control of the Senate and want
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:04 PM
Jan 2022

to pass something with 50 votes, they won't need any Dems to help them ditch the filibuster. They will all vote "aye" as a block like they always do.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
21. Useful to remind voters that 16 GOP had voted FOR voting rights before...
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:12 AM
Jan 2022

Their names ought to be on the short list for removal ASAP because they are not FOR democracy.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
24. I doubt it. A lot of stupid Americans can't even name their senators let alone hold them
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 03:17 PM
Jan 2022

accountable.

Poll: Majority of millennials can't name a senator from their home state


https://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/poll-millennials-state-senators-114867

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
26. Just keep the message simple, Republicans in Congress
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 04:12 PM
Jan 2022

voted against accountability, freedom and democracy, Democrats with the exception of two voted for it.



pwb

(11,280 posts)
27. The two of them should be treated as spying on Democrats now
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 04:17 PM
Jan 2022

and kept out of meetings. We know Democrats and they are not.

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