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By Josh Marshall
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January 21, 2022 12:16 p.m
Amidst all the disappointment and tribulation of recent days please join me in taking a moment to step back, in a posture of mindful gratitude, to contemplate the fact that Kyrsten Sinemas career in electoral politics is already over. Yes, the damage shes already done will be difficult to remedy. She still has three solid years to do yet more damage. And she probably will. But none of that damage, none of the hijinks and characteristic game-playing to come, will or can change her electoral fate. In political terms, shes already dead senator walking. And the most perplexing but paradoxically delightful part of it is that she doesnt even seem to realize it yet.
How can I be so sure shes a goner in such an uncertain time and in a reelection campaign almost three years away? Its not just the increasingly likely primary challenge, which could end her Senate career on its own. Her problem runs much deeper. She has already made herself essentially unelectable, whether her quest for reelection ends in a primary or the general election.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/rejoice-kyrsten-sinemas-political-career-is-already-over
I know Josh Marshall added the cartoon metaphor about a person jumping off a building....
but I think I will add this....
tikka
(762 posts)The Republican network may or may not find her a cushy job. I doubt that she will have any luck as a lobbyist.
Trueblue1968
(17,237 posts)Celerity
(43,485 posts)Polybius
(15,472 posts)But then the Republican Governor Doug Ducey picks a replacement.
madville
(7,412 posts)Especially since she joined Congress in 2013. If she goes 12 years until the end of 2024 (6 years in the House and 6 in the Senate), shell get about 12% of her high three salary years when she turns 62. So say $175k a year, 12% of that would be about $21k a year at age 62, or about $1750 a month. She could draw it early at age 57 with a 25% penalty, so that would be $1300 a month about 12 years from now since she is only about 45 years old.
Not really all that great, they reformed the congressional pensions years ago and made it similar to most other federal employees.
Raster
(20,998 posts)I voted for Sinema. I campaigned for Sinema. I donated to Sinema. All because she was a Dem and a woman in Arizona.
I have never been more disappointed in a vote I have cast.
I will do EVERYTHING in my power and pocketbook to make sure this is the first and only term for Sinema.
#ArizonaDeservesBetterThanSinema.
And to the DU member I had "discussions" with before the election and I voiced my Sinema concerns...
So it really didn't matter all the fancy dinners you attended and functions where you spent "quality time" with the Senator-to-be, it was all crap. She turned out to be the arrogant, self-aggrandizing, cluster-fucking traitor we suspected she would become.
Told you so.
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)My thank is for doing the hard work - all of the fancy fundraisers in the world can never replace door knockers, door hangers, voter registration drives, working a booth at a local event, calling, texting, and driving people to the polls.
You earned the right to post what you did.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)to screen our candidates much better, so we don't end up with DINO's...............
All the rhetoric the candidates throw around pre-election is usually pure crap, intended only to get votes, and often lies.
You need to study their past history to see where they really stand on issues.
It is an old game. A person runs as a Dem, gets elected because all of the Republican Voters realize he/she is truly a Republican underneath all his/her Dem rhetoric he/she says to get elected. He/she has a D under their name, so all the Dems vote for him/her and the Repubs do the same knowing he will shift to his/her true self once elected.
It happens all the time, Manchin and Sinema are just the most egregious.......
Carlitos Brigante
(26,502 posts)drama club performance. Pulling back tears and everything...... in the least convincing way possible.
Goonch
(3,612 posts)XanaDUer2
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IronLionZion
(45,516 posts)or trying to keep those legs warm. or something
oasis
(49,401 posts)tanyev
(42,601 posts)Polybius
(15,472 posts)I don't agree with all of her positions though.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)Since AZ has a Sore Loser law that would prevent her from running if she lost the Dem primary, I predict she will skip the primary and run as an independent, in the hopes of peeling off enough independent voters to get the GOP candidate elected. Id bet the GOP will even fund her independent campaign
Unless she decides to go for broke and run for president, again as an independent/third party spoiler.
Her senate career may indeed be over, but her role as a political disruptor is likely not.
tinrobot
(10,914 posts)She'll become yet another spoiler in the tradition of Jill Stein.
IronLionZion
(45,516 posts)She doesn't seem that popular with anyone on the left. The right would vote for DeSantis or whoever the GOP nominates.
FakeNoose
(32,726 posts)She's done. Let her go work at Faux Noise.
Budi
(15,325 posts)She'll land where she began.
Thanks for the generous lift anyway, Emily's List, NARAL...
~Misson Accomplished!
There's a few more just like her...fyi
Like suckerfish riding on the back of the great blue whale.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)She used them once to get what she wanted, she got it, and she didn't even wave goodbye in her rear-view mirror. I don't think they'd even lower themselves to taking her back into the fold. There are many more viable candidates for their support.
Budi
(15,325 posts)She be considered Green when she is totally against all the Green in BBB? She only cares for two greens, cash and being as self important as Margery Traitor. How would she run for President, she will not meet her constituents, how would she face a trump like GQP rally?
I mean look At all the hard work Stein has been doing for Green issues. Endless efforts to protect our environment. (🤢🤮 The Green Party is about the color Green of paper money.
homegirl
(1,433 posts)has already denounced her, more to come.
Torchlight
(3,360 posts)if not more than Democratic votes were she to run as an independent.
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)Years ago, Josie Heath ran against Dottie Lamm. Lamm beat her soundly. Josie went off pouting until someone suggested that if she wanted to get even with Lamm, all she had to do was run as an independent and it would steal enough votes that Lamm couldn't win.
Spiteful Josie Heath, single handedly handed the election to a Republican.............
Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)keep_left
(1,789 posts)...think tank job or media gig? Who knows. And now she is tripling down on the antics.
Efilroft Sul
(3,581 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)will kick her to the curb the minute she doesn't serve their purposes anymore........
FBaggins
(26,757 posts)Doesn't seem wise to me... but what the heck? If we don't care about her votes going forward I suppose the OP makes sense.
Ray Bruns
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Silent3
(15,259 posts)And besides that, Sinema has probably cashed in well enough already that she'll do quite well under the Republican Reich.
NNadir
(33,541 posts)We have to be careful of people who begin their careers opposing Democrats.
housecat
(3,121 posts)BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)Glad I checked comments first.
dobleremolque
(492 posts)xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)She does have that trendy middle school wardrobe thing going on.
sarge43
(28,942 posts)CrispyQ
(36,502 posts)She'll probably land a cushy job, too. Our system is so broken & corrupt.
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themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Anyone actual Republican would primary her and say that they're the "real thing and didn't switch parties."
She's done either way, but she will fuck us all the way until the end.
ShazzieB
(16,497 posts)I did, and I recommend it as a very interesting read.
The author very clearly lays out why none of the options open to her can save her political career at this point. Here's what he says about her becoming a Republican:
She's in the Senate now, and we're stuck with her through 2024. But I think this article makes a good case for her Senatorial career being over after that, no matter what she does.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Same as Manchin, neither have a chance winning as a Repub.
She also has zero appeal to independents who tend to prize 'getting things done'. She's an obstructionist who stood in the way of a core right such as voting rights.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)if it happens in three years.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,851 posts)not impressed by her at all.
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)The cartoon community and the courts have ordered that Wile E never be in the same sentence with that fool....
The courts refuse to even mention the lady's name.. .........And I don't blame them at all...............
and...........Chuck Jones ..who created Wile E Coyote..was a truly great animator working for Warner Brothers. I met Chuck Jones once and proud to have shaken his hand and got his autograph...
Joinfortmill
(14,449 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)Her killing of democracy on this country at the behest of wealthy corporations and individuals has earned her enough money to last a lifetime. That she does care about.
patphil
(6,204 posts)Unfortunately this mentally unstable, egomaniac has 3 years of playing Senator left.
She's too into herself to realize how toxic she has become to both parties.
At this point, she's basically worthless as a candidate for Senate. I don't think she could come close to winning either primary, and would have a hard time getting enough signatures to run as an independent.
In Arizona, party members must vote for candidates from their party. Only independents are allowed to choose which party's primary they'll vote in.
Standing against Biden's agenda may be a huge ego trip for her, but it's political suicide.
radius777
(3,635 posts)to primary her. He's a charismatic Latino and miltiary veteran with appeal to the Dem base as well as independents.
Voting rights and Civil Rights are a litmus test for any Dem - you see that 48 of them voted for the carve out, even Dems from red and purple states like Mark Kelly from her state - because they know what it means in the context of the past 60 years and what the modern day Dem party stands for. There can be disagreement on other issues but not core rights such as voting rights. She (and Manchin) sided with Jim Crow instead of MLK and John Lewis. She's finished. Manchin could also be finished as the Dem base won't come out for him and neither will the pro Trump voters (he voted to impeach fatass twice).
Basically Manchinema's instincts are bad and are rooted in outdated thinking about their being some large centrist bloc in America that values 'bipartisanship'. The reality is that we live in a base driven country now with both sides being dug in, and you're either on one side or the other.
Bristlecone
(10,130 posts)She has no integrity. Shell switch on a dime imo.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)aggiesal
(8,923 posts)She'd no doubt get elected if she ran as a (R).
Celerity
(43,485 posts)JI7
(89,262 posts)aggiesal
(8,923 posts)I don't know how made this quote, but it's pretty accurate.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)would vote for a dem who voted to convict the former guy twice?
aggiesal
(8,923 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)and that dress proves it.
Javaman
(62,533 posts)she made her money and her contacts
she carpet bagged herself into a pension and now can skate off very much wealthier than when she first got into office.
sociopath.
madville
(7,412 posts)Especially since she entered the House in 2013. Only 1% a year so if she gets 12 years of service shell get a 12% pension at age 62 and shes only about 45 now. At age 62 shell get around $1700-1800 a month based on her current high-3 years salary, not really a windfall.
mucifer
(23,560 posts)brooklynite
(94,713 posts)It MIGHT be over in 2024 if she loses her Senate race, and it MIGHT be over in 2022 if Democrats elect 2 more Senators AND hold on to three at-risk seats. In the meantime, we need her vote.
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)Trying so hard to be popular with the rich kids and turning her back on any of the kids who stood with her before. She's trying to please the mean rich girls but she won't ever really be one of them.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)That's the same fate awaiting for Sinema nowunless she wants to be a third-party presidential spoiler in 2024.