How much is democracy under threat? Where would you be willing to compromise to save it?

[kentuck]

Is it an existential threat?

Would you be willing to work with Republicans with similar worries about our democracy?

Would you be willing to change Party leadership, if both Parties agreed to change? Is that a bridge too far for you?

If you were convinced that the radical Trump-cult fascists out-numbered both Democrats and traditional Republicans standing alone, would you join traditional Republicans to save our democracy?

I am slowly coming to the conclusion that Democrats and Republicans will have to join together to fight this threat or we will not survive as a democracy. The Trump cult are not Republicans. They have no ideology except Trump. They are not conservatives. Their intent is to destroy our democracy.

Or would you prefer to die and go down with the ship if that was your only choice?

[aocommunalpunch]

1. I don't "compromise" to get democracy.

I fight them for it because they are against it. Unlike what party leaders say, we are the LEFT because our opponents are the RIGHT. That’s right. Our OPPONENTS.

[kentuck]

2. Victory or death?

There is no other way?

[NewHendoLib]

3. You can't work with, negotiate with, reason with an insane cult

Your question is moot. Can never, will never happen

[kentuck]

4. You misunderstood the post?

You are not working or negotiating with the cult. You would be working with those against the cult, especially traditional Republicans. Or do you think there are none of those?

[NewHendoLib]

5. There are none of those. I understand your question perfectly.

But there is nothing to negotiate with

[kentuck]

7. I see them everyday.

It is not true that there are none of those.

[NewHendoLib]

10. Where? None around here. I'm done with all of them.

[PortTack]

24. Yes..there are lots of them Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Joe Walsh, Miles Taylor

The ten that voted to impeach the orange mass, Bill kristol..these are just a few of the ones we hear about...there’s lots others

Enemy of my enemy my friend

[NewHendoLib]

26. When push comes to shove, on issues, every single one of them would vote for

republican principles. I trust NONE of them, absolutely none.

[PortTack]

31. There are two sides to the issue the OP posted ..democracy or authoritarian autocracy

Bill Kristol and others are voting for the Dems until the gqp is no longer a threat. Every person who votes for a dem is working for the good of the country and the democracy

[Hotler]

6. How do you reach out to people that say "The only good democrat is a dead democrat."?

I see nobody in the repug (fascist) party that want to try and heal.

[kentuck]

8. We do not know how many voted for Joe Biden in the last election.

But we do know that many Republican Congressmen and Senators won their races, while Trump did not win their states. Did they vote for Biden or did they just skip the presidential choice?

[Hortensis]

9. OF COURSE I'd work with Republicans with similar worries.

Democracy is ALL ABOUT people compromising with others to achieve what common goals they have. And by far most people want and need the same things.

Those who see compromise as failure or even corrupt -- instead of an imperfect but highly desirable goal -- are not suited to democracy and are drawn by anti-democratic leaders who promise to find ways to defeat majorities.

[ibegurpard]

11. Congressional and Senate Republicans just voted

As a united front against protecting our right to vote from the many attacks currently underway in many states.
Who am I supposed to compromise with?

[NewHendoLib]

12. Exactly. I would think people would tire of being played for fools

[kentuck]

14. I think it is a mistake to think Republicans in Washington represent all Republicans in the country

For example, there are many Republican women that believe in abortion rights. In the most recent poll, only 30 percent agreed with the Supreme Court decision. 59% supported abortion rights. We should not mistake elected Republicans for America.

[ibegurpard]

30. They are still voting for them

Unless that stops i have to assume that's what they believe as well.

[Busterscruggs]

13. Republicans have

Already begun to strip away women's rights, they are absolutely Crushing us on banishing the 2nd amendment and they are so far off course on monetary policy that I don't see how we could come together to protect democracy. We are correct and they are incorrect. It doesn't get more simple than that. I've already seen many posts here that the country we know and love is already dead. Best case is to find an island somewhere that we could create a 100% democracy tailor made to our virtues and values

[kentuck]

15. There is no utopian island for most Americans.

If we live in a red state, we will continue to live in a red state. We are not going to move. That's the real world.

[Busterscruggs]

16. Anyone can move

If they go where they know that they will have shared ideals. It would be a monumental amount of effort for sure, but wouldn't you want to live in a place without rethugs and their antiquated ideals?

[kentuck]

17. It ain't gonna happen.

On the scale that you might imagine.

[Busterscruggs]

22. What is

Your line in the sand? How much can they take away from you before you can say "enough?"

[Bettie]

18. The problem with the idea of working with Republicans

is that there are zero trustworthy ones left, at least in government.

They are either unwilling to break with their party on anything, full-on crazy people, or 100% steeped in the idea that everyone outside of their party is an evil child-killer.

Are there any with worries? I honestly don't think so. They just want to be on the team that runs everything after the plan comes to fruition.

The republicans who were worried have already defected.

[kentuck]

20. Maybe Democrats should attempt to communicate with Republican voters..?

...rather than Republicans in Washington?

Would that be any more successful?

I realize it is a gargantuan task.

[Bettie]

23. I don't know

relatives and people in my town tend to be Q-anon MAGATs.

Again, I suspect that the sane ones have left the party already.

My hope is that in 2022, we'll find that there really are more sane people than not and we'll manage to hold the house and gain in the Senate. The candidates who are likely to win Republican primaries are, well, terrifying.

[NewHendoLib]

27. I've had to mute dozens of republican votes on our next door app -

they are the ones driving around in pickups with huge trump flags.

They are part of a teflon-coated cult. THEY HATE US.

[TeslaNova]

19. I personally think we are past the point of saving democracy

And the best thing we can do is for the blue states to form their own country before it's to late. The republican fascists have been holding the US back for far to long while the rest of the world progresses we are regressing.

[kentuck]

21. How many "red" people are permitted to live in a "blue" state?

I don't think this idea will ever work. Whether we like it or not, we are all in this boat together.

[TeslaNova]

25. Read this article

and tell me how it is even possible to continue on the current path or that it 'will never work'. Of course it would work if we wanted it to.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/secession-constitution-elections-senate/

[Progressive Jones]

28. Find some Republicans who will do what's right, and I'd work with them. Good luck finding them.

The only other compromise I'd make is to be willing to do whatever is necessary to stop the attacks on democracy, no matter how distasteful. That would include some horrific shit done to eliminate those who are working to destroy it.

I'll add that I may have sugar coated it with the use of the word "horrific".

[Sympthsical]

29. I may write on paper instead of just the internet

I save paper for the serious stuff.

Seriously. 99.999% of the Internet "We'll Go To War!" is just "We'll post harder to social media than ever! I have not yet begun to tweet!"

It will be fierce. Marked by the infamous Battle of Folgers where grounds was given due to faulty equipment, and the general was forced to fall back to Fort Starbucks, where he met with Los Admirales Baristas to form new battle plans.

People are still afraid to go to a grocery store, and anything at all significant is going to happen any time soon?

Why are we like this, weavers of such courageous fantasy in a social construction known for comfortable indifference.

[ck4829]

32. If they had worries about our democracy, they would create their own party

But they aren't doing that, so I see no signs of them being worried.