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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:55 PM Feb 2022

As rogue truckers threaten to blockade major cities with their rigs, I'm wondering if there is such

an offense as "willful endangerment of public health" or something similar.

These blockades will stop firemen, police, ambulances and moms-to-be on their way to the hospital.

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As rogue truckers threaten to blockade major cities with their rigs, I'm wondering if there is such (Original Post) Atticus Feb 2022 OP
I think that was a charge used during bridgegate. FalloutShelter Feb 2022 #1
Mobilize the DoD! NightWatcher Feb 2022 #2
Sir. I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2022 #6
There are two huge construction cranes on Parliament Hill and a river applegrove Feb 2022 #7
the response must be swift and decisive. NightWatcher Feb 2022 #8
Nah, pollutes the river. 2naSalit Feb 2022 #9
I was being sarcastic. Obviously we would not want to pollute. applegrove Feb 2022 #12
I thought so... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #13
Then seeing all the others hop into their cabs and fleeing is a great visual. n/t applegrove Feb 2022 #16
Why pollute the river? JHB Feb 2022 #15
Right. It would be like David Letterman. But I kid.... applegrove Feb 2022 #17
Bet they clear the streets in 10 minutes. Trueblue1968 Feb 2022 #33
No need for airlifts quakerboy Feb 2022 #28
If it goes on long enough Beachnutt Feb 2022 #3
Except they are getting funds from... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #10
I am referring to the folks working in the Beachnutt Feb 2022 #19
Oh, well... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #26
When it is over we can all slow them down. pwb Feb 2022 #4
You have a great point Beachnutt Feb 2022 #5
That's really a bad idea... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #11
I retired August 2020 from a 37 year Beachnutt Feb 2022 #22
Simply bring in the military and OPP, well armed and start arresting. roamer65 Feb 2022 #14
what's to going scrap metal price index ? monkeyman1 Feb 2022 #20
Why do people imagine we need to come up with creative ways to arrest them? brooklynite Feb 2022 #18
They have broken laws. Gore1FL Feb 2022 #25
No, they wont. quakerboy Feb 2022 #29
Please drop the lazy stereotypes. brooklynite Feb 2022 #35
It is what it is, and the facts are stubborn quakerboy Feb 2022 #42
What RW invasions? brooklynite Feb 2022 #43
i gotta admit, this response took me by surprise quakerboy Feb 2022 #44
because when they have that level of #'s and they're critical for the workings of the nation... cadoman Feb 2022 #36
I would be fearful that upset people would do damage to my truck. Sneederbunk Feb 2022 #21
Start walking drug dogs from both ends along with State police asking for Hotler Feb 2022 #23
Great idea! Traildogbob Feb 2022 #24
I like that idea. scipan Feb 2022 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author spike jones Feb 2022 #27
If Putin was in charge Yanicosco Feb 2022 #30
People didn't like it when highways and bridges got shut down in 2020... LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #31
Canada: Causing a Disturbance moondust Feb 2022 #32
if there is such a charge... AmBlue Feb 2022 #34
There are laws for obstructing highways. NutmegYankee Feb 2022 #38
A few good law suits from people of standing who can demonstrate harm ought to do it. Samrob Feb 2022 #39
They can now be legally ran over in some states now Generic Brad Feb 2022 #40
"These blockades will stop firemen, police, ambulances and moms-to-be on their way to the hospital." tenderfoot Feb 2022 #41

applegrove

(118,734 posts)
7. There are two huge construction cranes on Parliament Hill and a river
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:09 PM
Feb 2022

right behind the Parliament buildings...... I'm just saying...you could dump the trucks into the river one by one, after making sure there are no people in them, to make an example of the truckers. Bet they clear the streets in an hour.

2naSalit

(86,710 posts)
9. Nah, pollutes the river.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:41 PM
Feb 2022

If they put those wheel locks on the front and back rigs, they way they're lined up in most places, go through and arrest them all one area at a time, then confiscate their rigs and set parameters (fines) for retrieving them.

Beachnutt

(7,332 posts)
3. If it goes on long enough
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:00 PM
Feb 2022

lots of folks will lose paychecks and get behind on bills due to plant shutdowns.
When this happens the pitchforks come out and the so called truckers feel the wrath of the blue collar worker.

2naSalit

(86,710 posts)
10. Except they are getting funds from...
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:44 PM
Feb 2022

Oligarchs to stay out there so I'd imagine they get some kind of funds for paying their bills.

I have owned semis and it costs money to own them whether they sit or roll down the highway. The only way to keep them is to work them in such a way that you make money, otherwise, they're very costly.

Beachnutt

(7,332 posts)
19. I am referring to the folks working in the
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:34 PM
Feb 2022

auto factories that are shutting down due to supply shortage

pwb

(11,281 posts)
4. When it is over we can all slow them down.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:03 PM
Feb 2022

If we decide they are against us we have alternatives of our own as citizens on the road.

2naSalit

(86,710 posts)
11. That's really a bad idea...
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:49 PM
Feb 2022

Sabotaging trucks.

I survived two national truck strikes back in the last century and it was very scary with people dropping rocks from overpasses and doing other stupid stuff.

Why be like the people you despise? People who willfully take actions to slow the supply chain are aiding the magats and their intent to shut it all down and starve us into submission.

Beachnutt

(7,332 posts)
22. I retired August 2020 from a 37 year
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:39 PM
Feb 2022
career trucking, last 21 of it as a Union Teamster, There were no national truck strikes that I recall.Back in the late 80's lotsa cb talk of it but it never happened.
I did catch an egg or two off over passes a cpl times and heard tell of folks dropping pumpkins off overpasses around halloween.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
14. Simply bring in the military and OPP, well armed and start arresting.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:57 PM
Feb 2022

Then impound the vehicles and sell them at auction.

brooklynite

(94,665 posts)
18. Why do people imagine we need to come up with creative ways to arrest them?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:13 PM
Feb 2022

When they break the law they WILL be arrested. They will also likely be blockaded from entering major cities en masse.

Gore1FL

(21,141 posts)
25. They have broken laws.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:27 PM
Feb 2022

It's not legal to block highways and bridges. Ask BLM. Ask Chris Christie. They are keenly aware of the consequences of their civil disobedience. Disturbance of the peace isn't legal. Harassment isn't legal.

How do you stop them from arriving en masse and blocking traffic? By putting up road blocks and doing their work for them?

The need to be fined and ticketed. They need to be reported to their insurance carriers.

brooklynite

(94,665 posts)
35. Please drop the lazy stereotypes.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:30 AM
Feb 2022

Last time I checked, Democrats run the Federal Government and the DC Government.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
42. It is what it is, and the facts are stubborn
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 03:40 AM
Feb 2022

Last I checked Democrats had the white house, the senate, the house, my governor, my state senate, my state house, my mayor, my city council, my metro council, and even the local school board.

And yet the police here who happily shoot lots of teargas at liberal protestors and provided a fair number of beatings along the way, has failed to do anything about repeated armed and violent RW invasions

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
44. i gotta admit, this response took me by surprise
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:17 PM
Feb 2022

Its been on just about every form of news and information including here on DU.

I was specifically thinking of proud boys, 3%, oathkeepers, including literal insurrectionists, who came back home and kept going out for continued violent demonstrations.

After that i then recall the various groups of anti mask anti vaccine pro covid types who have been coming after school boards and schools and state houses. Last I heard in my (blue supermajority) state they won that battle and were allowed into the capital unmasked.

cadoman

(792 posts)
36. because when they have that level of #'s and they're critical for the workings of the nation...
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:34 AM
Feb 2022

...they have a lot of leverage. There's not enough jail space to arrest them all, and the exact kinds of people and equipment you need to move trucks, well, you'd get them from trucking companies. Compounding the matter, there was already a shortage of qualified drivers before the protest and the industry is thoroughly regulated, so there aren't any scabs to hire.

The earlier reports about this being a fringe group--while they were certainly the most accurate numbers possible for accredited journalists to obtain--with hindsight we can see just weren't very accurate.

I'm thankful the average journalist isn't in charge of game-planning the response because their ideas have been idiotic. The truckers are coordinating at a level that indicates either they're fucking brilliant, or they have some form of military backing. They've avoided being baited to violence several times already and have smart counter-operations to the police. Last night the cops went in to begin arrests and the crowd simply started singing the national anthem and took all the momentum out of it. Prior to that they had the jerry can congo line to counter the gas confiscation policies. They're winning hearts on the ground by cleaning the streets and public facilities, and the judge stopping the honking pretty much gave the city an own-goal because it was the thing most bothering residents.

The best strategy at this point is to pivot and give in. The sooner it's done the more effective it would be. But we won't do that. We'll continue to push the mandates in lunk-headed ways, harrass the truckers, and cause their numbers to grow. I have no clue why, but it's obviously what the government has mentally committed to.

Hotler

(11,437 posts)
23. Start walking drug dogs from both ends along with State police asking for
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:40 PM
Feb 2022

License, registration, proof of insurance and logs, check for guns. Start inspecting rigs safety violations, etc.

Traildogbob

(8,786 posts)
24. Great idea!
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:22 PM
Feb 2022

Bring in fire trucks and bury them under a foot of solid ice. Don’t let em get in those comfortable sleep area’s to get out of the cold. Hell spray them, let em freeze.

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LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
31. People didn't like it when highways and bridges got shut down in 2020...
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:10 AM
Feb 2022

…they won’t like it now either. No matter the cause, blocking the way home and to work makes people angry.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
38. There are laws for obstructing highways.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 05:36 PM
Feb 2022

There are also laws on civil asset forfeiture. I doubt the truckers have given much thought to just what police can do with personal property used in the commission of a crime.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
39. A few good law suits from people of standing who can demonstrate harm ought to do it.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 05:37 PM
Feb 2022

Start payments with taking their trucks...and the guns inside them.

tenderfoot

(8,438 posts)
41. "These blockades will stop firemen, police, ambulances and moms-to-be on their way to the hospital."
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:01 PM
Feb 2022

Yes they will and they did in Michigan when the lockdowns started.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/operation-gridlock-lansing-michigan-protest-ambulance-gretchen-whitmer-social-distancing-coronavirus-a9468756.html

The right likes to accuse the left of the same thing when they protest against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, OWS and BLM, without evidence. But it's okay when they actually do do it.

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