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We need a national no fly list for assholes who act up on planes
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To quantify matters, the Federal Aviation Administration received nearly 6,000 reports of unruly passengers last year, more than 70 percent of which were mask-related. The number of FAA investigations into these incidents was six times higher in 2021 than in 2020, and seven times higher than in 2019, before the global pandemic began in earnest......
The GOP senators said they strongly condemn any violence towards airline workers, but a federal no-fly list for those who lashed out on airplanes over mask policies would seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland.
The Republican group Wyomings Cynthia Lummis, Utahs Mike Lee, Oklahomas James Lankford, Floridas Marco Rubio, North Dakotas Kevin Cramer, Texas Ted Cruz, North Dakotas John Hoeven, and Floridas Rick Scott added that the Transportation Security Administration was created in the wake of 9/11 to protect Americans from future horrific attacks, not to regulate human behavior onboard flights.
Their letter went on to say that including such people on a no-fly list would result in a severe restriction on the ability of citizens to fully exercise their constitutional right to engage in interstate transportation.
The assholes who act up planes should be banned from flying
leftieNanner
(15,124 posts)You mean like that guy this week who tried to open the plane door??? That might have taken a few American lives, dontcha think?
Yeah. He should be banned for life.
Until there are serious and painful consequences, this shit will continue.
spanone
(135,844 posts)Fuck them all
ificandream
(9,373 posts)crickets
(25,981 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Firestorm49
(4,035 posts)I think the best thing they could do right now would be to shut the fuck up.
Blues Heron
(5,938 posts)would seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Message being, gay children can't get help from the teacher ... but you unruly passengers, if you want to inflict danger on a plane full of people, well, have a good time of it.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)would be able to fly anymore.
DFW
(54,405 posts)Republican Nut Case Airlines.
Conditions of travel:
No limit to alcohol consumption, before or during flight.
No guarantee the plane reaches its destination.
No penalty for grabbing the ass of the flight attendant, although they might decide to retaliate (note: all flight attendants are male martial arts experts who served in the special forces). Which leads to the next condition:
No guarantee any one passenger reaches his destination, either, even if the plane does.
Ground inspection of the planes and maintenance crews are prohibited by Stand Your Ground laws (RNC Airlines does not fly to States that don't have them). Inspections of sites of accidents are prohibited by Crash To Ground laws, newly enacted by Republican state legislature in states where RNC Airlines flies to.
Only passengers who carry valid registration of membership in the Republican Party will be handed boarding passes. Naïve idiots who are not Party members will not get boarding passes except if accredited correspondents of Fox "News," and they will receive no refunds if refused passage. They must take a sanity test, and if they pass, they will be denied boarding as well.
Barnum's Law is in force here, which means you and your money are soon parted. The airline itself, being no fools, will keep it for off-the-books parties (Republicanese: "party's" ) for its board of directors. This is not as harsh as it may seem at first, since no passenger in his or her right mind wants to fly with these oafs anyway.
Baitball Blogger
(46,735 posts)hijackers/terrorists misunderstood passengers who were only involved in political discourse.
3catwoman3
(24,006 posts)...airborne assholes are ReTrumplicans.
dchill
(38,503 posts)Reference Rand Paul's son.
Chainfire
(17,549 posts)It is because they can not win elections without them. People who used to be sane Republicans do not have a problem with program, so they are supporters of the far-right. No amount of absurdity will surprise me about the Republicans any more. Big money pays for the right wing "news" sources, tells them what to push, the voters buy it, hook, line and sinker, and the Republican leadership follows, or tries to get in front of the craziness. There is nothing rational about what the Republicans do, so there are no rational solutions to it.
As far as Republicans are concerned, there are no crimes in any actions that support the party policy as dictated by the crazy press. When someone murders a high-ranking Democrat over some RW bullshit, there will be Republican apologist for the killer and claims that the victim had it coming. Wait, you will see that.
We don't have to be worried any more about moving towards Fascism, we need to be concerned about moving away from it.
Wicked Blue
(5,834 posts)See how quickly they change their tiny minds
raccoon
(31,111 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)This human behavior of which they speak is something I NEVER experienced in all my years of flying 1957 onward
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Now when there are actual, factual terrorists trying to subvert the Constitution, take the lives of American citizens, and disrupt travel, trade, and commerce, they're suddenly all concerned about the delicate fee-fees of these anarchistic bomb-throwers. The fact that they uniformly and almost exclusively vote Republican has nothing to do with it. Nothing, I tell you! So stop saying that.
panader0
(25,816 posts)You haven't even been transported anywhere yet. Maybe the Rs want to change the name too.
And it would not restrict the ability of citizens to go state to state, just use Greyhound
or Amtrak or drive yourself. That argument is from the Sovereign Citizens.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)If these people want to exercise their right to traverse state lines, there's this great new technology. It's called a car.
There rights aren't being impinged upon. It just takes longer to do it.
The other option, of course, is that these tools quit acting like jerks.
Liberal In Texas
(13,556 posts)To interfere with aircraft crew is a serious crime. The punishment should fit that crime. No. More. Commercial. Air Flights.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,318 posts)The GOP is pro-abusive passengers and want to make flying more dangerous
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The eight Republican senators voiced their concerns in a letter Monday to Attorney General Merrick Garland. They noted that, according to Federal Aviation Administration data, the vast majority of reports of unruly passengers have been related to the mandated use of face masks amid the pandemic.
While we strongly condemn any violence towards airline workers, there is significant uncertainty around the efficacy of this mandate, as highlighted by the CEO of Southwest Airlines during a recent Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee hearing, the senators wrote. Creating a federal no-fly list for unruly passengers who are skeptical of this mandate would seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland.......
n a statement Tuesday, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA called the eight senators letter irresponsible and political brinkmanship that puts our economic security at risk right along with our lives.
Homeland security is homeland security, said the unions president, Sara Nelson. Our flights are under attack by a small number of people and it has to stop. This is not about masks, and the worst attacks have nothing to do with masks. Youre either for protecting crew and passengers from these attacks or youre against.
crickets
(25,981 posts)No paywall WaPo: https://archive.ph/8MFXO
Letter for names of the eight Senators: https://www.lummis.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/22.02.14-DOJ-Consolidated-No-Fly-List.pdf
Oh, look! There's Rick Scott, Rubio, and Cruz. Shocker.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,318 posts)Link to tweet
It should come as no surprise that members of a party that has characterized a violent insurrection to overthrow an election as legitimate political discourse oppose consequences for bad behavior on airplanes. Republicans have repeatedly made clear that they are on the side of the thugs, from demonizing and mocking Capitol Police officers who defended lawmakers on Jan. 6 to defending Rep. Paul A. Gosar (R-Ariz.) after he posted an animation on Twitter depicting the murder of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) to heralding Canadian truckers who paralyze cities.
Republicans had the chutzpah to criticize Democrats for the rhetoric of a handful of leftists who want to defund the police even though leaders in the party including President Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) have denounced the phrase. Yet Democrats are inexplicably hesitant to blast Republicans for their actual nuttery.
Democrats must stop being so timid and call out the GOP for its defense of violence, opposition to law enforcement and cheerleading for chaos. Republicans inspired by the defeated former president menace democracy and the safety of ordinary Americans. Democrats from the White House on down should have no qualms about opposing Republican thuggery.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,318 posts)Put this asshole on a no fly list
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The Charlotte Observer reported over the weekend that 19-year-old William Paul was charged with misdemeanor assault on a female by aggressive physical force. The paper had previously reported that he also was charged with underage drinking, disorderly conduct and being intoxicated and disruptive.
The newspaper quoted Lt. Shawn Crooks as saying all the charges against Paul were filed the day of the incident, Jan. 5.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)as his daddy.
onenote
(42,714 posts)xmas74
(29,674 posts)They can and will ban you from all stores for life. If you chooseto trespass they will have you arrested. (When I still worked in mental health I had an individual whose ban was included in his chart so new staff wouldn't take him.)
What's the difference between the two? If it's legal to ban from a store why not a plane?
Captain Zero
(6,811 posts)nt
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)Will we start arresting people for smashing windows at the US Capitol? Surely everyone sees how this could get out of hand!"
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,318 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)to continue enabling this behavior.
Septua
(2,256 posts)"Putting aside the fact that the Constitution makes no reference to "interstate transportation," and the idea that such a "right" exists is dubious, it's still not a persuasive argument: Americans who lashed out on airplanes, disrupting flights and throwing potentially dangerous in-flight tantrums, almost certainly should be restricted from engaging in interstate transportation. It's about holding people accountable for their own misconduct, the same way people who are caught driving dangerously are sometimes stripped of their licenses."
"The rest of the GOP senators pitch is hardly better. Banning passengers who engaged in dangerously anti-social behavior would seemingly equate them to terrorists who also endanger passengers? Perhaps, but as a matter of public safety, who cares about perceived rhetorical equivalencies?"
About the same nonsensical argument as the Jan 6 raiders being just another tour group. Lock 'em up.