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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,318 posts)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:43 PM Feb 2022

Why Republicans are balking at a no-fly list for unruly passengers

We need a national no fly list for assholes who act up on planes




But let’s not forget about flight attendants and other airline personnel. Reports of “air rage” incidents have become increasingly common, often as a result of passengers being told to wear masks protections to prevent the spread of Covid-19.

To quantify matters, the Federal Aviation Administration received nearly 6,000 reports of unruly passengers last year, more than 70 percent of which were mask-related. The number of FAA investigations into these incidents was six times higher in 2021 than in 2020, and seven times higher than in 2019, before the global pandemic began in earnest......

The GOP senators said they “strongly condemn any violence towards airline workers,” but a federal no-fly list for those who lashed out on airplanes over mask policies “would seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland.”

The Republican group — Wyoming’s Cynthia Lummis, Utah’s Mike Lee, Oklahoma’s James Lankford, Florida’s Marco Rubio, North Dakota’s Kevin Cramer, Texas’ Ted Cruz, North Dakota’s John Hoeven, and Florida’s Rick Scott — added that the Transportation Security Administration “was created in the wake of 9/11 to protect Americans from future horrific attacks, not to regulate human behavior onboard flights.”

Their letter went on to say that including such people on a no-fly list would “result in a severe restriction on the ability of citizens to fully exercise their constitutional right to engage in interstate transportation.”

The assholes who act up planes should be banned from flying
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Why Republicans are balking at a no-fly list for unruly passengers (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 OP
"who seek to actively take the lives of Americans...." leftieNanner Feb 2022 #1
They are fucking terrorists....the GQP is lost. spanone Feb 2022 #2
Thumbs up. ificandream Feb 2022 #11
Exactly. They just don't want to admit it. nt crickets Feb 2022 #23
We need an ejection hatch. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #3
Or maybe make each seat flushable, like a toilet. panader0 Feb 2022 #15
How bold of them! But it's OK to overthrow our government. Pricks! Firestorm49 Feb 2022 #4
who the cap fits... Blues Heron Feb 2022 #5
The GOP goes after innocents, like gay children, but yet balk at a no-fly list for unruly passengers RKP5637 Feb 2022 #6
Maybe republicans are hesitating for adopting this provision, for it would mean that no republicans SWBTATTReg Feb 2022 #7
Maybe on RNC Airlines? DFW Feb 2022 #18
At this rate, the Republicans will come up with legislation that will make the 9/11 plane Baitball Blogger Feb 2022 #8
Perhaps because it is a pretty safe bet that most, if not all, of these... 3catwoman3 Feb 2022 #9
They ARE the unruly passengers. dchill Feb 2022 #10
Republicans never cease to play to the hard core right. Chainfire Feb 2022 #12
Just wait till one of them is on a flight with a lunatic jeopardizing the entire plane Wicked Blue Feb 2022 #13
That would be the consummation of my dreams. Nt raccoon Feb 2022 #19
Perfectly fine with caging little children at the border though Hekate Feb 2022 #14
Republicans have been using "terrorism" as a booga-booga for more than a century gratuitous Feb 2022 #16
So Transportation Security Administration means only before you board the plane? How stupid. panader0 Feb 2022 #17
There's No Constitutional Right To Convenience ProfessorGAC Feb 2022 #20
"...equate them to terrorists..." Well DUH. They should feel lucky they don't get sent to Gitmo. Liberal In Texas Feb 2022 #21
Eight Republican senators say they oppose 'no-fly' list for disruptive passengers because it would e LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #22
Thanks for the link. crickets Feb 2022 #24
Opinion: There Republicans go again, siding with thugs LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #25
Senator Rand Paul's son charged with assaulting flight attendant LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #26
Entitled little prick, isn't he? If he works hard enough, he can grow up to be as gigantic a prick... Hekate Feb 2022 #29
Nine year old story onenote Feb 2022 #31
If you act like an ass at the local Walmart xmas74 Feb 2022 #27
The dollar stores will do that too Captain Zero Feb 2022 #30
"If we keep people from flying just because they attack the crew on aircraft, what next? struggle4progress Feb 2022 #28
We need vaccine passports and to exclude/shun assholes who refuse to be vaccinated LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #32
I guess a plane will need to crash before they find some other excuse Crunchy Frog Feb 2022 #33
Retrumplican mentality Septua Feb 2022 #34

leftieNanner

(15,124 posts)
1. "who seek to actively take the lives of Americans...."
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:46 PM
Feb 2022

You mean like that guy this week who tried to open the plane door??? That might have taken a few American lives, dontcha think?

Yeah. He should be banned for life.

Until there are serious and painful consequences, this shit will continue.

Firestorm49

(4,035 posts)
4. How bold of them! But it's OK to overthrow our government. Pricks!
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:50 PM
Feb 2022

I think the best thing they could do right now would be to shut the fuck up.

Blues Heron

(5,938 posts)
5. who the cap fits...
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:50 PM
Feb 2022

“would seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland.”

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
6. The GOP goes after innocents, like gay children, but yet balk at a no-fly list for unruly passengers
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:51 PM
Feb 2022

Message being, gay children can't get help from the teacher ... but you unruly passengers, if you want to inflict danger on a plane full of people, well, have a good time of it.

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
7. Maybe republicans are hesitating for adopting this provision, for it would mean that no republicans
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:51 PM
Feb 2022

would be able to fly anymore.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
18. Maybe on RNC Airlines?
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:29 PM
Feb 2022

Republican Nut Case Airlines.

Conditions of travel:

No limit to alcohol consumption, before or during flight.
No guarantee the plane reaches its destination.
No penalty for grabbing the ass of the flight attendant, although they might decide to retaliate (note: all flight attendants are male martial arts experts who served in the special forces). Which leads to the next condition:
No guarantee any one passenger reaches his destination, either, even if the plane does.
Ground inspection of the planes and maintenance crews are prohibited by Stand Your Ground laws (RNC Airlines does not fly to States that don't have them). Inspections of sites of accidents are prohibited by Crash To Ground laws, newly enacted by Republican state legislature in states where RNC Airlines flies to.

Only passengers who carry valid registration of membership in the Republican Party will be handed boarding passes. Naïve idiots who are not Party members will not get boarding passes except if accredited correspondents of Fox "News," and they will receive no refunds if refused passage. They must take a sanity test, and if they pass, they will be denied boarding as well.

Barnum's Law is in force here, which means you and your money are soon parted. The airline itself, being no fools, will keep it for off-the-books parties (Republicanese: "party's" ) for its board of directors. This is not as harsh as it may seem at first, since no passenger in his or her right mind wants to fly with these oafs anyway.

Baitball Blogger

(46,735 posts)
8. At this rate, the Republicans will come up with legislation that will make the 9/11 plane
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:00 PM
Feb 2022

hijackers/terrorists misunderstood passengers who were only involved in political discourse.

3catwoman3

(24,006 posts)
9. Perhaps because it is a pretty safe bet that most, if not all, of these...
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:00 PM
Feb 2022

...airborne assholes are ReTrumplicans.

Chainfire

(17,549 posts)
12. Republicans never cease to play to the hard core right.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:13 PM
Feb 2022

It is because they can not win elections without them. People who used to be sane Republicans do not have a problem with program, so they are supporters of the far-right. No amount of absurdity will surprise me about the Republicans any more. Big money pays for the right wing "news" sources, tells them what to push, the voters buy it, hook, line and sinker, and the Republican leadership follows, or tries to get in front of the craziness. There is nothing rational about what the Republicans do, so there are no rational solutions to it.

As far as Republicans are concerned, there are no crimes in any actions that support the party policy as dictated by the crazy press. When someone murders a high-ranking Democrat over some RW bullshit, there will be Republican apologist for the killer and claims that the victim had it coming. Wait, you will see that.

We don't have to be worried any more about moving towards Fascism, we need to be concerned about moving away from it.

Wicked Blue

(5,834 posts)
13. Just wait till one of them is on a flight with a lunatic jeopardizing the entire plane
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:15 PM
Feb 2022

See how quickly they change their tiny minds

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
14. Perfectly fine with caging little children at the border though
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:16 PM
Feb 2022

This “human behavior” of which they speak is something I NEVER experienced in all my years of flying 1957 onward

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. Republicans have been using "terrorism" as a booga-booga for more than a century
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:27 PM
Feb 2022

Now when there are actual, factual terrorists trying to subvert the Constitution, take the lives of American citizens, and disrupt travel, trade, and commerce, they're suddenly all concerned about the delicate fee-fees of these anarchistic bomb-throwers. The fact that they uniformly and almost exclusively vote Republican has nothing to do with it. Nothing, I tell you! So stop saying that.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
17. So Transportation Security Administration means only before you board the plane? How stupid.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:28 PM
Feb 2022

You haven't even been transported anywhere yet. Maybe the Rs want to change the name too.
And it would not restrict the ability of citizens to go state to state, just use Greyhound
or Amtrak or drive yourself. That argument is from the Sovereign Citizens.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
20. There's No Constitutional Right To Convenience
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 07:30 PM
Feb 2022

If these people want to exercise their right to traverse state lines, there's this great new technology. It's called a car.
There rights aren't being impinged upon. It just takes longer to do it.
The other option, of course, is that these tools quit acting like jerks.

Liberal In Texas

(13,556 posts)
21. "...equate them to terrorists..." Well DUH. They should feel lucky they don't get sent to Gitmo.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 07:39 PM
Feb 2022

To interfere with aircraft crew is a serious crime. The punishment should fit that crime. No. More. Commercial. Air Flights.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,318 posts)
22. Eight Republican senators say they oppose 'no-fly' list for disruptive passengers because it would e
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 07:48 PM
Feb 2022

The GOP is pro-abusive passengers and want to make flying more dangerous




A group of Republican senators is pushing back against efforts to create a federal “no-fly” list for unruly passengers, arguing that doing so would essentially draw an equivalence between terrorists and opponents of mask mandates.

The eight Republican senators voiced their concerns in a letter Monday to Attorney General Merrick Garland. They noted that, according to Federal Aviation Administration data, the vast majority of reports of unruly passengers have been related to the mandated use of face masks amid the pandemic.

“While we strongly condemn any violence towards airline workers, there is significant uncertainty around the efficacy of this mandate, as highlighted by the CEO of Southwest Airlines during a recent Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee hearing,” the senators wrote. “Creating a federal ‘no-fly’ list for unruly passengers who are skeptical of this mandate would seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland.”......

n a statement Tuesday, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA called the eight senators’ letter “irresponsible and political brinkmanship that puts our economic security at risk right along with our lives.”

“Homeland security is homeland security,” said the union’s president, Sara Nelson. “Our flights are under attack by a small number of people and it has to stop. … This is not about ‘masks,’ and the worst attacks have nothing to do with masks. You’re either for protecting crew and passengers from these attacks or you’re against.”

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,318 posts)
25. Opinion: There Republicans go again, siding with thugs
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:08 PM
Feb 2022



Eight Senate Republicans — Cynthia M. Lummis (Wyo.), Mike Lee (Utah), James Lankford (Okla.), Marco Rubio (Fla.), Kevin Cramer (N.D.), Ted Cruz (Tex.), John Hoeven (N.D.) and Rick Scott (Fla.) — wrote to Attorney General Merrick Garland on Monday to protest the creation of a no-fly list for passengers who lash out at airline personnel attempting to enforce mask requirements. They claim the list “would seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland.”,,,,,

It should come as no surprise that members of a party that has characterized a violent insurrection to overthrow an election as “legitimate political discourse” oppose consequences for bad behavior on airplanes. Republicans have repeatedly made clear that they are on the side of the thugs, from demonizing and mocking Capitol Police officers who defended lawmakers on Jan. 6 to defending Rep. Paul A. Gosar (R-Ariz.) after he posted an animation on Twitter depicting the murder of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) to heralding Canadian truckers who paralyze cities.

Republicans had the chutzpah to criticize Democrats for the rhetoric of a handful of leftists who want to “defund the police” — even though leaders in the party including President Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) have denounced the phrase. Yet Democrats are inexplicably hesitant to blast Republicans for their actual nuttery.

Democrats must stop being so timid and call out the GOP for its defense of violence, opposition to law enforcement and cheerleading for chaos. Republicans inspired by the defeated former president menace democracy and the safety of ordinary Americans. Democrats from the White House on down should have no qualms about opposing Republican thuggery.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,318 posts)
26. Senator Rand Paul's son charged with assaulting flight attendant
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:15 AM
Feb 2022

Put this asshole on a no fly list




. - The son of U.S. Sen. Rand Paul is accused of assaulting a flight attendant during a trip from Kentucky to North Carolina.


The Charlotte Observer reported over the weekend that 19-year-old William Paul was charged with misdemeanor assault on a female by aggressive physical force. The paper had previously reported that he also was charged with underage drinking, disorderly conduct and being intoxicated and disruptive.

The newspaper quoted Lt. Shawn Crooks as saying all the charges against Paul were filed the day of the incident, Jan. 5.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
29. Entitled little prick, isn't he? If he works hard enough, he can grow up to be as gigantic a prick...
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:12 AM
Feb 2022

… as his daddy.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
27. If you act like an ass at the local Walmart
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:04 AM
Feb 2022

They can and will ban you from all stores for life. If you chooseto trespass they will have you arrested. (When I still worked in mental health I had an individual whose ban was included in his chart so new staff wouldn't take him.)

What's the difference between the two? If it's legal to ban from a store why not a plane?

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
28. "If we keep people from flying just because they attack the crew on aircraft, what next?
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 05:37 AM
Feb 2022

Will we start arresting people for smashing windows at the US Capitol? Surely everyone sees how this could get out of hand!"

Septua

(2,256 posts)
34. Retrumplican mentality
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 08:57 PM
Feb 2022

"Putting aside the fact that the Constitution makes no reference to "interstate transportation," and the idea that such a "right" exists is dubious, it's still not a persuasive argument: Americans who lashed out on airplanes, disrupting flights and throwing potentially dangerous in-flight tantrums, almost certainly should be restricted from “engaging in interstate transportation.” It's about holding people accountable for their own misconduct, the same way people who are caught driving dangerously are sometimes stripped of their licenses."

"The rest of the GOP senators’ pitch is hardly better. Banning passengers who engaged in dangerously anti-social behavior “would seemingly equate them to terrorists” who also endanger passengers? Perhaps, but as a matter of public safety, who cares about perceived rhetorical equivalencies?"

About the same nonsensical argument as the Jan 6 raiders being just another tour group. Lock 'em up.

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