ABC's This Week might as well be on Faux. Raddatz, Jon KARL & panel LUNTZ, "our" BRAZILE

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Last edited Sun Feb 20, 2022, 01:34 PM - Edit history (1)

ON EDIT: Including the video (below) of This Week, with thanks to left-of-center2012!

RADDATZ has recovered from her Afghanistan tantrum now with Ukraine giving her another way to bash us, so there she was looking chipper "reporting" from Ukraine. Then for the domestic bashing, she passed the ball to KARL, who inherited the past ABC Brit HUME wingnut seat with his panel of LUNTZ, BRAZILE, somebody from Politico, and some dude who gave a barely Dem defense never to be heard again.

BRAZILE, who has been failing us since Coup 2000 and years past has bragged? she's footsie with Repuke operatives (ROVE?) and otherwise is just namby pamby useless to us, was in a thespian mood, flailing her arms around in the panoramic curved table and turning all full body around to engage LUNTZ exclusively.

And LUNTZ, in a full albeit short stretched hairpiece, who supposedly had deserted the Repuke party, inflated his past shrinking violet flunky demeanor into being the showstopper of today - first, zinging that "BIDEN ran as TRUMAN, thought he would govern as FDR, and is just CARTER" complete with the "malaise"and the "inflation" words, and then going for the full pitch of "Let's make NEWS - (Repukes) can take both houses."

Well today on This Week LUNTZ sounded like the ultimate Repuke operative again. It was a wingnut batter-fest with BRAZILE playing pillow fight. Time for another of my e-form rants to ABC.

For sure, the current generation of wingnuts don't even know who LUNTZ is and especially don't know the provenance of "DemoCRAT" vs "DemocratIC" except that they are supposed to use it because it is a badge of Wingnuttiness that irritates us, and for the younger DUers who might not know below is a rehash of an email I sent to the local radio wingnut yakshow host:

*******Email:

Wingnut zombies automatically use the noun “DemoCRAT” as an adjective, rather than the adjective “DemocratIC.” Viz., “DemoCRAT Party” instead of DemocratIC Party. The younger wingnuts don’t know the provenance of it, much less why it's supposed to be a slur, only use it as a wingnut meme that they were told irritates Dems, engrained by their Faux Propaganda Network stylebook.

When I mentioned a few years ago that this NOUN “Democrat” (as adjective) is a wingnut meme created by Frank LUNTZ, (local radio wingnut) knee-jerked disputed this, saying that saying “DemoCRAT” (as an adjective) was just normal rural speech that he personally had heard all his life. It never ceases to amaze me how somebody like him (my age) who considers himself a REPORTER (not to mention “raconteur”) somehow doesn’t keep up with run of the mill “news.” I distinctly remember GINGRICH, the Contract *ON* America, LUNTZ, LIMBAUGH launching them. LUNTZ had the gimmick of “focus groups” supposedly to test favorable/unfavorable words and to use the results as political propaganda weapons. So one of his brilliant findings was that people reacted unfavorably when “DemoCRAT” was used instead of “DemocratIC.” Apparently it didn’t occur to him that it SOUNDED BAD to people because it is UNGRAMMATICAL and therefore GRATES on the sensibilities.

So LUNTZ claimed it took his having a stroke to realize what a destructive jerk he has been to society, almost the way Lee ATWATER supposedly (but not really) repented about his evil ways on his deathbed, and he/LUNTZ defected from the Repuke party. He also says being attacked by Tucker CARLSON is also traumatic. But here he is, like real Repukes, calling America “a shit show.” Repukes, who all my life, claimed to be more American, more patriotic, more Christian, more supportive of law enforcement and military.

Yip, I’m thinking the “Civil War” (of 1860) was just Number One, like World War I and World War II, and American Civil War II is really coming.

******QUOTE*******

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/frank-luntz-polls-us-boris-johnson-b2002106.html

‘I want you to see what a s***show America is’: Veteran pollster (LUNTZ) warns UK against embracing US-style politics

.… ...the man (LUNTZ) who ended decades as a top GOP message guru by leaving the party last January… ….

A memorandum he allegedly wrote for Gopac called Language: A Key Mechanism of Control lays out “contrasting words” for Republicans to use when talking about Democrats. ….

The result, he said, was that America’s democracy had “seized up”. ….He lamented how the US political system had experienced a “loss of civility and decency” and was now filled with people unwilling to listen to other points of view. ....

The man who’d helped Newt Gingrich’s rise to power said he would take the blame for what he did to bring such vitriol into American politics two decades ago, but credited himself with realising how much damage it had done. ....

******UNQUOTE*****

[Walleye]

1. "Words that work" fucking cheap huckster

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4. Yip, so what happened to his having realized his destructiveness & turned his back on Repukes, haha!

Plus today he predicted Repuke taking both houses, whereas in the old article in my link he said the opposite.

[left-of-center2012]

2. "BRAZILE ... is just namby pamby"

Well, that's your opinion and we're all entitled to have our opinions.

Donna Brazile talked about the high cost of groceries, etc
and the high number of people who died of COVID.

But she also mentioned the many accomplishments Biden has achieved.
And yes, she addressed Luntz to argue his false narrative.

Here's a video of the show so folks can see, listen and decide for themselves:
This Week With George Stephanopoulos 2/20/22 | ABC News Today Feb 20, 2022

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3. Yea we're all entitled/opinions, would be nice to have our own without being zinged anyway for them

[left-of-center2012]

5. People should view the video and make up their own mind

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6. And I saw it and made mine up, which yours attempts to negate.

I also usually give bits of context and justification for my opinions, in this case BRAZILE's footsyism with Repuke operatives in the past. I'll add her general ineffectiveness.

Let's not go on with this. Clearly we'll never coincide and for sure will not convert each other. I'll note for myself that I can't think of any disagreement I've had with any of your posts before this.

Haha, you and I should post a video of ourselves so others can make their minds up on their own!1

***ON EDIT: Thanks for the video link. I've added it to the O.P. and credited you. I was posting hot off of watching the show and seldom know when vids are available, surely not, in case anybody might think it, to distort with my own reaction what others might see for themselves. I'll say, however, that I'm a pretty good interpreter and relay-er, although ymmv (which it clearly does in this case) !1

[Sympthsical]

10. If the objective source material is a "zing"

Maybe the problem rests in the characterization.

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11. My O.P. is my opinion/perception/interpretation not "objective source" & the "zing"is its expression

There is such a thing as subjective opinionating that is true/correct or more astute than some others by others.

Since you're expositioning into this, let's clear up what the other poster was really saying:

1) Her main, perhaps only, point of contention was my opinion about BRAZILE. Nowhere did she dispute the rest of my lengthy post. I've been watching BRAZILE since Coup 2000 and I went from originally accepting and supporting her as a good Dem at face value - until, over the years, I have arrived at thinking her to be ineffective in her being a spokesperson for our Dem point of view, but especially in whatever counsel and influence, if any, she might exert in steering the party and candidates. In no way do I impugn her as not being a Dem, although I dislike her past publicizing that she fraternizes with Repuke operatives as jolly old pals in the common game.

2) Her repeated claim that "everybody make up their own mind" (except me) with the video, which she apparently thought would eradicate my personal opinion/interpretation/summary, is fine with me except that her undercurrent message is (my interpretation) that all those other opinions are fine with her so long as they are the same as hers or as approved by her (not mine).

That said, your framing whatever this sub-thread is about as "the problem/characterizatiopn" (being MINE) is certainly not "objective," only your subjective thing, and it's my prerogative to receive it as a VAGUE type of personal attack of the throw-stone-hide-hand type. If you think BRAZILE is a paragon of being fantastic, good for you. If my opinion of her skills differs, it's not attacking her as a Democrat or a person.

*** A very high (90+%) content of this board is made up of subjective opinionating. It's really irksome to me to be lambasted for my posting mine. Please don't prolong this, thanks.

[CrispyQ]

7. I had a cousin complain that our side thinks their side is stupid.

I said, "Well, you continue to use a noun as an adjective, so it doesn't help your case."

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13. Hah!

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8. I always wondered why our side never hired George Lakoff or someone like him.

We've never valued messaging. Lakoff said in his book, "Moral Politics" that our side suffers from the misconception that people vote on intellect, when in fact, a lot of people vote on emotion. Repubs use messaging to exploit that, whereas our side thinks it's good enough to say "This is what we stand for..." & then send voters to our platform page. In the meantime, they've built this huge right-wing media machine that drowns out any messaging we might put out now. They've been playing the long game & they've thrown the rule book in the trash.

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12. Thanks for the astute take. Yip, the ire & defense here of BRAZILE were that she verbalized about

covid and somehow with this countered the vicious attacks by LUNTZ on BIDEN, CARTER, & Dems. BRAZILE said some *words*, generic and abstract *words* but LUNTZ went for the jugular (emotion). As I said, she played a pillow fight.

[orleans]

9. click. i just really wasn't in the mood to watch martha. ugh! nt