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Baitball Blogger

(46,735 posts)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 12:08 PM Feb 2022

Time for some of us oldies to accept the truth. Our history lessons were alternate facts.

Think about how so much of the history we were taught in schools was meant to be "neutral," but not based on facts. Columbus day gave Italian-Americans a day to be proud of, until someone pointed out that claiming he discovered America was a bit of an overreach because he only made it to the Bahamas. And whether he treated the natives fairly or cruelly is up for debate.

Thanksgiving is an example of intentional historical tom-dickery. We grew up feeling warm and happy that Indians came together with Pilgrims. Until some douchery white person pointed out that the Pilgrims put that meal together on their own and because the Pilgrims began shooting guns in celebration, it attracted the Indians who invited themselves to the feast. Yes, that was actually on a show. Maybe even on the History channel. Of course, because of that new narrative, the history of Thanksgiving was further researched and it was discovered that Thanksgiving was a metaphorical cannibalistic exercise. First they threw a feast for an Indian friend, and later they skewered him. So typical.

And Cinco de Mayo. I guess that was bone thrown to the latin american community. But, really, how many Americans of all colors grew up believing that Cinco de Mayo was Mexico's Independence Day? It became a day of celebration where Tequila sales soared to celebrate one major battle in the history of Mexico.

We don't have to go into detail to talk about Black History. No really, according to conservative white folk, we don't. Anything outside of the fact that slaves did better working on the fields, than they did as free men and women is now legally actionable.

This is the kind of inadequate history lessons that helped our white friends make it through another day in class, with us sitting next to them.

But, many were getting lessons of their own in households that were ruled by racist white fathers. Enough so that at least one of them, in a conversation on race, exposed two beliefs that I never heard about in school. First, that African countries used slaves and traded them, (this we did know) which justified the fact that America followed suit (Did not see that one coming). And that it is up to white people in the military to defend America because they don't hesitate to pull the trigger, regardless of who they're supposed to put down.

My head was ready to explode. I wonder what else they were taught quietly under those racist roofs. Neutralize us in schools, while they are taught lessons of hate at home.

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Time for some of us oldies to accept the truth. Our history lessons were alternate facts. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Feb 2022 OP
Among the biggest challenges melm00se Feb 2022 #1
"THESE TRUTHS" by Jill Lapore is an excellent telling of US History Thunderbeast Feb 2022 #2
Also, Lies My Teacher Told Me by James W. Loewen Ohio Joe Feb 2022 #5
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #3
one of the best things about coming of age in the 70s/80s bigtree Feb 2022 #4
My children had an excellent AP high school teacher. He didn't tiptoe around... hunter Feb 2022 #6
Have you seen "Everything's Gonna be All...White?" on Showtime? Solly Mack Feb 2022 #7
I'll have to see that. Thank you. Baitball Blogger Feb 2022 #8
K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2022 #9

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
1. Among the biggest challenges
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:41 PM
Feb 2022

in teaching history are:

1. Since the advent of history (way back in ancient Greece), history has been used to give people a sense of who they are as countries.

2. The age and cognitive level of the student makes presenting certain subjects and concepts a challenge. Some kids do not have the emotional and cognitive level to absorb certain subjects. For example, I presented King Leopold II and his atrocities in a high school world history class. This image:



generated calls by parents to the school

3. Parents - - - so many parents view the history they learned decades ago as the gospel truth and anything that is contrary to those lessons, frankly, is wrong.

My grad school advisor told me that history really doesn't start to get taught until between jr/sr year in high school and freshman year of colleges/universities. Colleges and universities can really teach the subject more in depth but it is that depth that draws the ire of politicians and ideologues.

Thunderbeast

(3,417 posts)
2. "THESE TRUTHS" by Jill Lapore is an excellent telling of US History
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:45 PM
Feb 2022

Warts and all.

It is also an account of how all of our current domestic political woes have been seen before. We are not very good at learning from our history. Short term greed is just too seductive.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
4. one of the best things about coming of age in the 70s/80s
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:52 PM
Feb 2022

...is that those myths had already begun unraveling.

Moreover, I grew up with myriad revolutionary impulses and avenues to choose from, unlike folks in the 50s/60s who really had to invent their own resistance, often against great odds, in an abject minority of opinion or will.

Never really listened to anyone, blocked them all out, set my own course. I suppose I was lucky in that independence of thought. Might have come from the glaring inconsistencies and contradictions, like discrimination against hiring me, or other intimidations intended to keep me from exercising my free will, or participation, or rightful possessions.

I've found that people question these origins or myths more when they have less stake in defending them.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
6. My children had an excellent AP high school teacher. He didn't tiptoe around...
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:46 PM
Feb 2022

... and was backed by school administrators who pointed to excellent student exam scores. There were always a few parents who didn't let their children take his class

Biology is another subject that gets mauled in U.S.A. public schools for fear of offending the anti-intellectual church crowd.

Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution -- Theodosius Dobzhansky

Solly Mack

(90,771 posts)
7. Have you seen "Everything's Gonna be All...White?" on Showtime?
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:01 PM
Feb 2022

It talks about the lies and myths dressed up as History that white people were taught about America. How that was the norm for decade after decade after decade, and how the push back against factual history has been ever present, in one form or another - from the deliberate lack of curiosity (I don't wanna know what I don't know) to deliberate actions, that embrace the convenient and beneficial ignorance that promotes and sustains white supremacy.

Baitball Blogger

(46,735 posts)
8. I'll have to see that. Thank you.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:20 PM
Feb 2022

Most of us already know how it will end for another generation of minorities taught pablum for history. Cultural assimilation to a white culture consumed with their own selfish interests will fail. We will slowly drift away from the friendships we made when young, because the interactions will never seem to grow. And being among them will just leave us hollowed out.

Seriously. We can do better.

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