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Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 05:26 PM Feb 2022

The End of "America First"?





https://www.thebulwark.com/the-end-of-america-first/

Will Vladimir Putin’s invasion of a peaceful and democratic Ukraine do anything to liberate the American right from its attachment (or regression) to the foolish and dangerous doctrine of “America First”?

I hope so. But I’m doubtful.

Consider this bit of history. Munich was at the end of September 1938, and Kristallnacht a few weeks later. Prague was occupied in March 1939, and Poland crushed that September. France and the low countries were invaded in May 1940. The assault on Great Britain was to begin soon thereafter.

What was the reaction to these rapid and momentous world events by prominent conservatives, leading members of the business community, and various fascist fellow travelers and anti-anti-fascist luminaries?

They formed the America First Committee. In September 1940.

Until a few years ago I hadn’t realized (or had forgotten, if I’d once known) that the America First Committee wasn’t a creature of 1937 or 1938—when it might still have been vaguely plausible to believe in some form of appeasement. It wasn’t even a creature of 1939—when it might have been plausible to hope Hitler might confine his ambitions to his east.

No.

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The End of "America First"? (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2022 OP
Trump was never for America First. Mr.Bill Feb 2022 #1
No. temporary311 Feb 2022 #2
True, but his first step Mr.Bill Feb 2022 #6
The worst thing about this is how it mirrors Germany's advance into WW2. Srkdqltr Feb 2022 #3
MAGAts be like Celerity Feb 2022 #4
Evil + Stupid Nevilledog Feb 2022 #5
+1 dalton99a Feb 2022 #8
This is horrid. n/t ChazII Feb 2022 #10
Most will go with Trump's pro-Putin view, radius777 Feb 2022 #7
If Putin attacks a NATO coutry we will go to war. SoonerPride Feb 2022 #9
Putin has no desire (or reason) to start a war FakeNoose Feb 2022 #11
Yes. I agree. He will invade and occupy Ukraine because he sees it as Russia SoonerPride Feb 2022 #12
It looks like he's only interested in a small part of Ukraine FakeNoose Feb 2022 #13
Differing reports on that. SoonerPride Feb 2022 #14
AFC started supporting the war effort, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Lancero Feb 2022 #15

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
6. True, but his first step
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 05:39 PM
Feb 2022

was to remove America from all allegiances with any allies and to destroy all treaties and agreements.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
7. Most will go with Trump's pro-Putin view,
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 05:39 PM
Feb 2022

you even see it on social media, where they spout Kremlin propaganda. But there are still traditional cold-warrior Repubs who are anti-Russia. As we move towards basically a cold war 2.0, the split in the GOP on this issue should be interesting to see how it works out.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
9. If Putin attacks a NATO coutry we will go to war.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 06:18 PM
Feb 2022

But if he doesn't we won't.

I can't see him invading or attacking any NATO country.

So the comparison to WW2 Germany seems a bit misguided.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
11. Putin has no desire (or reason) to start a war
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 06:23 PM
Feb 2022

It's never to his benefit to cut off his best customers who buy his oil in Europe. And that's exactly what would happen. So this is all crazy talk and and it's not helpful.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
12. Yes. I agree. He will invade and occupy Ukraine because he sees it as Russia
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 06:25 PM
Feb 2022

And the west will do nothing to stop him.

And he knows that too.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
13. It looks like he's only interested in a small part of Ukraine
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 06:26 PM
Feb 2022

... but we'll just have to wait and see.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
15. AFC started supporting the war effort, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 06:33 PM
Feb 2022

We shouldn't go out looking for war certainly, but if another nation decides to attack us? Fuck em. Anti-War doesn't mean defenseless.

Not really surprised over the concerted effort to paint Anti-War as being Pro-Russia. The MIC wants themselves a new gravy train, now that we got out of Iraq after almost two decades.

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