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a post containing an original reply I made to an OP who spoke about how leaders wanting to repeal Griswold has hit her so hard. I concur with everything the OP said and my reply went into a little history both social and personal. Since that post some very nice people have asked me to make it an OP of its' own. I am thankful that a forum like this exists for us to exchange ideas, opinions and information. This is very emotional for me to go back in my mind to long ago and although I could expand the discussion of how it was at the same time I cannot. So here is the reply I made and I hope that by having this as an OP that it helps to raise awareness for us to stand up for women who may be current or potential victims and to acknowledge the past victims who may now only be a memory.
" The vast majority of people alive in the US today have no memory of how it really was in the '50's/'60's. They romanticize the period because of what they see on TV and in movies. But I lived it. For those who don't know or remember let me clue you in.
No-fault divorce didn't exist and so women would be trapped in abusive marriages. There was at that time little support for a woman and her children if she simply left. Police routinely looked the other way when the husbands went "hunting" to see where their wife had gone. TV and movies routinely portrayed "argumentative" women being slapped by men as just an acceptable and expected result of arguments. I can remember where I grew up that it was not uncommon to see a woman now and then with severe bruising and black eyes. The authorities, clergy and neighbors would usually try to convince the woman to go back home and "work it out". I mention this because it was as common as the daily paper all across America. Also a woman was not supposed to "refuse" sex with her husband and so marital rape was as common as coffee in the morning.
For so many women the ability to prevent forced pregnancy by having contraception was something that was out of reach in most states. Couples with good relationships suffered also so I don't mean to imply that all were bad. But the paternalistic power structure was in tight control and most of these abusive husbands would get little more than a lecture from authorities. If that. The prevailing attitude was that if the woman got beat up she had been "asking for it".
I saw mothers, who already had 4 children as an example, scraping by in near poverty and trying to struggle through another pregnancy despite being in poor physical condition. The woman I most remember was a tall woman but very gaunt and her husband had been so abusive that she would routinely come to get groceries with bruises on her arms and wearing sunglasses in the store so nobody could see her blackened eyes. The abuse and intimidation had made her extremely nervous and jumpy and I remember her crying in the store. She miscarried the baby and should have been in the hospital but her husband wouldn't let her go. She was sick at home for a long time. Nobody saw her for a long time. I was grown about that time and moved away. Remembering her now for the first time since then made me start to tear up.
These men who are in control lost a bit of their grip on women after Griswold, no-fault divorce and improvements to AFDC benefits. An awful lot of men (not all of course) were very unhappy about losing their ready made cook, housekeeper, laundress and sex object that they were able to get simply by getting a marriage license and a ceremony. The resentment resulted in phrases about a woman "not knowing that her place was in the home, kitchen, bedroom etc." and you hear it translated by these conservative ghouls today as "traditional family values" and other such crap. "
niyad
(113,581 posts)I REMEMBER!
Thank you so much for doing this, despite how painful it must have been.
I would be honoured if you would cross-post this in Women's Rights And Issues.
Tikki
(14,559 posts)and all these years later...they never have.
Tikki
alwaysinasnit
(5,075 posts)mahina
(17,701 posts)About a mother who is pregnant and had eight babies, came in sick from trying to abort herself. Just unimaginably medieval.
public health nurses back in the day were the only lifeline many women had. I remember one that lived across the street from me then. She counseled many women as best she could and would take a temperature etc. She had been a nurse in WW2. Lovely person.
canetoad
(17,190 posts)It's a time that should never be forgotten - or repeated. The fight is not yet over.
rurallib
(62,448 posts)and I am a male raised in the 50s. Add Catholic into the mix for some extra repression.
All my friends had family problems. Many had large families. My best friend was one of ten kids. They lived in a house that was stretched to hold a family of four.
I could go on and on. My mom tried to kill me a couple times when she was enraged at my dad. The local priest tried to rape me. And all around the message was to do as you are told. My parents and all their friends drank heavily.
And the stories of attempted abortions and girls 'going to visit grandparents' for a year were quite real.
When I saw the story about the re-emergence of a pre-Griswold world I just shook.
demigoddess
(6,645 posts)forcefully before he would prescribe birth control pills. He was checking to make sure I wasn't just trying to get birth control as a single woman. I also had 2 miscarriages later and got chewed out by a doctor who saw my medical records and thought 'spontaneous abortions' meant surgical abortions. Such misogyny in the 60s and 70s and probably not much better now.
moniss
(4,274 posts)and I remember very well how the period after Griswold was still not an easy time for a woman to get the Pill as you mentioned. Old male doctors still tightly in control of women. Maybe a tangent to this issue of pills and medical care would be to have a discussion thread about how so much of medical research never tested things on women. Just men and then they would cut the dosage based on body weight differential. The misogyny carries on.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)friends,seeking divorce from an abusive conservative piece of shit was told by her husband that she was his slave because he married her!
Fuck every single narcissistic abusive man and thier sick patriarchal culture that enslaves women.
I dispise republicans.
Raven
(13,900 posts)Those were horrible times for women...we have come a long ways, but not far enough. The repugs would take us back to that if they can.
Ford_Prefect
(7,921 posts)We had to regurgitate and adhere to those same rules and abuses as the formal doctrine of being male in that culture. We were required to treat women as objects and not as friends, or as equals, or as human beings. To do otherwise or to question the assumed patriarchic power structure was to invite blame for being less than manly, or being queer. We were expected to covet certain kinds of women and reject others as less desirable. We were taught to revel in sexual conquest and publicly score our manhood accordingly.
In short we were made into collaborators by the same rules of the times which visited such a harsh world upon women.
Those rules made anyone into either a victim or one of the empowered. Those rules were set by the same people who wish to reintroduce them now. They were made to punish us all, to divide us from each other and from our own humanity.
Timewas
(2,196 posts)It took me many many years to realize that I was actually raised to believe that way...I watched my step father, and many other fathers of friends treat their wives and daughters as if they were in fact chattel rather than human beings. I watched my mother work outside the home and still be expected to get up and fix breakfast before she went to work then come home and be expected to fix dinner and spend weekends making sure the house was clean and laundry was done, this was a family of 8 so not an easy chore any way you look at it.. We children did help a lot but she was still stuck with a lot and pretty much no assistance for my step father. This was the norm in every household I knew of.
Th saying " A man may work from sun to sun but a woman's work is never done" was very very true.
plimsoll
(1,670 posts)Name sounds foreign? Change so you look American. That it made you one of the oppressors was probably not even considered.
bluboid
(562 posts)it absolutely took a toll on men too - & it's been amazing to watch men come to terms with the expectations demanded of them as things slowly changed. this has been a worldwide revolution that cannot be stuffed back in a box.
LoisB
(7,234 posts)nt
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)republican's & their party have no useful need in this country what so ever ! the party of nothing !!
Traildogbob
(8,821 posts)I want to vomit when I see those women behind his fat ass at KKKlan rallies Decked out in red with rhinestones and bright hussy red lipstick wetting their wranglers over the Trump GQP.
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,754 posts)Because my grandfather wouldnt let her go to a gynecologist when she began bleeding. He didnt want any man (almost all gynecologists were men back then), looking at his property, I guess. He was a bitter old fool, and she was the sweetest grandmother you can imagine.
LoisB
(7,234 posts)the saddest part is "because my grandfather wouldn't LET her go". That makes me very angry.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)in the late 60s and early 70s. We found out years later that a hysterectomy would have solved the problem, but the Catholic doctor and the hospital he worked at didn't want to do that to someone who could maybe still have children. She had three children in their teens and she turned 40 during the time span of these surgeries.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)My mother said if there would have been birth control back then most of us wouldn't be here. Can't say that I blame her.
hunter
(38,328 posts)... if she'd had realistic sex education and easy access to birth control or abortion, against her parents' strict religious beliefs.
Her boyfriend didn't fare much better. He's long dead too -- drugs and alcohol.
My mom is still a religious crazy but her approach to sex education has always been practical. I'm pretty sure I knew all the important details of sex by the fifth grade -- the profound, the good, the bad, and the ugly -- years before I braved sex with others.
Our house was off-limits to some of the neighborhood kids because my parents would always answer their questions about sex honestly.
Other than my wife, I suspect my mom has prevented more abortions than anyone I personally know by her advocacy of sex education and birth control. Neither my wife or my mom are "pro-abortion" but they don't judge and they don't stand in the way of it. They vote pro choice.
As teens my mom always told me and my siblings we could bring home any accidental babies and she'd raise them as her own if we couldn't. We all lived crammed into a three bedroom house then and the prospect of another kid in the house was so terrifying that none of us had children until we'd moved away and could support them ourselves.
The fifties and the sixties were the bad old days. I feel fortunate my parents gave me the tools I needed to be safe.
plimsoll
(1,670 posts)Your mother could be treated like shit, and rolling it onto the children was apparently what the mothers deserved. I remember getting abuse from other kids regularly. When no fault divorce started, about half those kids would come and ask for sympathy. Im not a total ass but even then it galled me.
bluboid
(562 posts)the horrific tightrope all women had to walk - across a bottomless abyss.
NEVER FORGET where we've come from...
& thank God for every single male ally we have!
I love reading the strong statements in support of women's rights - from men & women!
Hekate
(90,828 posts)That original thread may have exhausted itself, so I am considering making my latest post, about the economics of reproductive freedom, a new OP.
topic. I would love to see more women's issues on the Home Page too!!