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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is known Garland is investigating the fake electors, which leads to this conclusion.
Garland is investigating everything, everyone, connected to the fake electors. Thats how investigations work. Which means people like Rudy, Meadows, Boris, Navarro, and others are being investigated. The fake electors and all those connected to them committed serious crimes, one of which is, conspiracy to commit election fraud.
If anyone still believes Garland is not investigating, doing his job, you are not paying attention.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,444 posts)As a warning to future enablers of a POTUS crime spree.
If Garland cannot get Trump, he can at least get all those who helped Trump commit crimes.
agingdem
(7,859 posts)and he's working from the outside in...taking out the "wagons" circling Trump, and standing back while the 1/6 select committee picks them off one by one..
FarPoint
(12,447 posts)for discouraging a repeat of this criminal political environment . Trump is thus defeated as a result .
Irish_Dem
(47,444 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)with regards to ongoing investigations, they think that AG Garland is not investigating, when in fact, no one here knows what's really going on with regards to the investigation, an investigation like no other in American history, and that's the way it should be, you never tip your hand at what you've got until it's time to hand down the indictments.
Scrivener7
(51,018 posts)But that doesn't seem to stop the weekly column of self-righteousness whose sole purpose is chastising those of us who will believe justice will be done when we actually see justice being done.
PortTack
(32,796 posts)Scrivener7
(51,018 posts)If he is, that is great. But we just don't know. And we won't know till we see a result.
When justice is served, I will be thrilled. Until then, I will be worried. And the more time that passes with blatant criminals going unpunished, the more worried I will be.
So sue me.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)I dont understand why it is so important to some here that everyone agree with them. Let us disagree and just dont worry about it, right? They know no more than you or I as to what is happening yet they insist that we are wrong. Does that give them some kind of comfort????
I have no doubt that Garland is investigating. My complaint is that he has not already charged Trump. Time is running out and the clock is ticking.
Thats my opinion and that opinion isnt likely to change until I see Trump behind bars.
I dont understand why me believing that is in any way concerning to anyone else. Do they not have confidence in their own opinions?
Peace.
Scrivener7
(51,018 posts)To the extent that I have frequently been called a bad Democrat because my motto is "Handcuffs or it didn't happen."
I will rejoice when there is a result, but until there is, all the speculation about what Garland is doing is based on nothing and is worthless. No matter how much those spouting it insist that noticing that fact makes me a terrible person.
Worse yet, I really have to wonder about all the ones who insist the above means "you hate Joe Biden and the Jan 6 committee!!1!" I fear for our citizens' grasp of basic Civics.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Either called a bad Democrat, or else told Im ill-informed. Im neither. I just dont fall in line when I dont agree with the main consensus just because there is a main consensus.
What you or I, or anyone else on DU, think isnt going to keep anything from happening that is going to happen. If Garland is going to charge, he will charge. But I listen to people who I feel have more knowledge about the situation that I have, and there are a large number calling for Garland to act NOW. Mostly, I believe, because they know how Trump operates and they realize that events in the immediate future may be a consideration - like the midterms, etc.
I also dont feel Im bashing a Democrat when I state an opinion or point out a fact that is not in a Democrats favor. If Im going to bash a Democrat, that would be in the voting booth, and thats not going to happen.
Ive been the route where something about Trump was a surprise. I was surprised when he was sworn in as President because like most people, I didnt think he had a chance against Hillary. I was heart broken. The world would be an entirely different world right now had Hillary been the one sworn in. So, I will never be surprised by Trump again. And I know that Trump does not play by the rules and therefore, I want him in handcuffs now rather than later. I think the case for that has already been made several times over and I dont agree with the sentiment that Garland is waiting to put a case together. The Democrats should have been preparing that case long before Trump left office.
Scrivener7
(51,018 posts)And I've been watching ever since for him to get his juat desserts for all the pain he has caused.
I think Tish is on it but I know better than to get my hopes up.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)I hope she nails him to the wall.
But I just have this bad feeling about her. Cant explain it - totally gut feeling. There was something about her going after Cuomo and then so quickly announcing she was going to run for Governor. It wasnt a wise move - almost like she was being manipulated. Then, she called it off.
I cant substantiate my feeling. I readily admit that I have no facts to back up my suspicion. But something doesnt smell right about all of that. Either way, let her get him!!!
mcar
(42,376 posts)gab13by13
(21,408 posts)Where is it known?
If what you claim is true, why has the select committee subpoenaed numerous fake electors? Why would the select committee interfere in an ongoing investigation?
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)gab13by13
(21,408 posts)Lisa Manaco, deputy AG, announced about 3 weeks ago that DOJ was investigating the criminal referral given to it by the Michigan AG.
Answer my question; why didn't the select committee touch base with DOJ before subpoenaing numerous fake electors? Why would the select committee interfere with an ongoing investigation?
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)Are they interfering with each other? This is a nonsense argument, two investigations of different natures of the same thing can easily coexist.
gab13by13
(21,408 posts)The AG and DA both have the ability to prosecute Trump. The select committee has no prosecutorial ability so it must be careful it does not infringe upon a DOJ investigation that may be ongoing. I hope that the select committee coordinates with DOJ the way that the NY AG and DA coordinate. Trump was using the argument, and it was a valid one, that he shouldn't have to give a deposition for the civil case until the criminal case was resolved. Luckily a judge ruled otherwise.
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)And was slapped down... Now you think the Jan 6th committee and DOJ may not be coordinating... Sheesh.
CrispyQ
(36,526 posts)Young democrats, especially, are tuning out the news. Tuned out people don't usually vote, and new voters are especially fickle. We're at a disadvantage already, this midterm, being the party in power, not to mention all the suppression laws & dirty tricks the other side is up to. We don't need a demoralized base on top of all that. If we lose just one chamber, the next two years nothing will get done, and if we lose the House, I'd bet money that Joe Biden will be the most impeached president ever. They are that immature, they will do it.
https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/02/fewer-people-especially-younger-democrats-are-paying-a-lot-of-attention-to-national-news-according-to-a-new-poll/
snip...
A new report from Gallup and the Knight Foundation found that only a third of the Americans polled in December 2021 said that they pay a great deal of attention to national news, down from 54% of who said the same when polled in November 2020 (notably, the month of a presidential election).
The most recent poll results were compiled based on surveying more than 4,200 U.S. adults.
And while the trend of news engagement being down was consistent across a range of demographics, the reports authors found that Democrats younger than 55 were least likely to be paying attention to national news. Compared to the November 2020 poll, there was a 46-point drop in the percentage of Democrats aged 18-34 saying they paid attention to national news. Among 35-54-year-old Democrats surveyed, there was a 41-point drop from November 2020 to December last year.
gab13by13
(21,408 posts)Gallup used bogus data in the Romney/Obama race and got it entirely wrong.
2nd of all, what is going to inspire Democratic voters? IMO, no polling involved, if Trump and his traitorous friends are held accountable it will inspire Democrats to GOTV. IMO, no polling, if Trump and his traitorous friends are not held accountable it will not inspire enthusiasm to GOTV. Just my opinion.
The GQP is cheating to win in 2022 and Democrats and DOJ should be responding to the cheating. Will we be ready when Magat election officials throw out votes in Democratic districts? We don't appear to be able to stop the partisan gerrymandering, the SC allowed the partisan Alabama redistricting to stand.
We had better do more than just GOTV to beat a rigged election.
we can do it
(12,196 posts)MissMillie
(38,581 posts)cross all the t's, dot all the i's
When the indictments come, they should be a slam-dunk. Do it once, get it right.
Rushed worked leads to screw-ups.