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Cyrano

(15,063 posts)
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:37 PM Feb 2022

Why didn't Putin do this when his puppet, TFG, was president?

Just asking.

Seems to me that Trump would have backed him all the way and even tried to find ways to help him.

Seriously, why did Putin wait 'til now, when he previously owned an American president?

Answers? Anyone?

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Why didn't Putin do this when his puppet, TFG, was president? (Original Post) Cyrano Feb 2022 OP
HE DIDN'T NEED TO cilla4progress Feb 2022 #1
This relayerbob Feb 2022 #2
✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️ LakeArenal Feb 2022 #11
It would've guaranteed Trump's loss. Why mess with a formula blm Feb 2022 #3
Pretty sure that was the plan. tavernier Feb 2022 #4
He had four years to do whatever the fuck he wanted to do Cyrano Feb 2022 #8
No need to relayerbob Feb 2022 #5
It was in the works. Could've been a two-fer to at least weaken NATO underpants Feb 2022 #6
And don't forget how tfg constantly harangued the NATO countries about not paying their bills. allegorical oracle Feb 2022 #14
That was the fit I meant. underpants Feb 2022 #16
Yeah, it's plausible the two of them agreed to weaken NATO at Helsinki when nobody allegorical oracle Feb 2022 #20
What we are seeing now Mr.Bill Feb 2022 #7
Putin rso Feb 2022 #9
Trump was helping Putin break-up NATO. Jim__ Feb 2022 #10
At any rate, the way things are right now, kskiska Feb 2022 #12
Because he can. LakeArenal Feb 2022 #13
Putin had his eye on bigger fish--taking control of America via his puppet. Doodley Feb 2022 #15
Right, Putin was too busy invading the US. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #18
Putin didn't have all of the pieces lined up yet? Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #17
It's possible that both men have dirt on each other so they reached an amicable stalemate. Like allegorical oracle Feb 2022 #19
Good Question FrankTC Feb 2022 #21
Putin was busy trying to orchestrate a southern gas pipeline through Syria pecosbob Feb 2022 #22

blm

(113,100 posts)
3. It would've guaranteed Trump's loss. Why mess with a formula
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:43 PM
Feb 2022

that was giving Putin what he wanted AND further dividing the US at the same time.

tavernier

(12,406 posts)
4. Pretty sure that was the plan.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:43 PM
Feb 2022

He probably thought the fix was in with the election and then it would be smooth sailing for him to take them all back.

That’s why Trump was desperate to overturn the election results. We spoiled their plans.

Cyrano

(15,063 posts)
8. He had four years to do whatever the fuck he wanted to do
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:45 PM
Feb 2022

My question stands. Why did he wait until now?

relayerbob

(6,558 posts)
5. No need to
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:44 PM
Feb 2022

They expected Trump to take the White House, one way or another, and use Hunter Biden's "corruption" as a pretext to overthrow Ukraine. That didn't work out so well, so now, it's on to Plan B.

Add to that, the Jan 6 and other investigations may well be preparing to out the links between the GQP and Putin, so he needs a distraction

underpants

(182,904 posts)
6. It was in the works. Could've been a two-fer to at least weaken NATO
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:44 PM
Feb 2022

possibly effectively end it. Trump wouldn’t have done much and he certainly wouldn’t have engaged our allies. He was a the midst of a fit over them (gee wonder why).

Plus it’s Putin’s long term goal.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
20. Yeah, it's plausible the two of them agreed to weaken NATO at Helsinki when nobody
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:03 PM
Feb 2022

was around and no notes were taken. Not a conspiracy, exactly, just a meeting of the authoritarian minds.

rso

(2,273 posts)
9. Putin
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:45 PM
Feb 2022

For one thing, Trump was destroying NATO and thus doing Putin a great service, so of course Putin stayed quiet because had he made moves against Ukraine, NATO would react by becoming more unified, and that is the opposite of what Putin wanted. In short, don’t interfere when your enemy (NATO) is being destroyed by Trump.

Jim__

(14,083 posts)
10. Trump was helping Putin break-up NATO.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:46 PM
Feb 2022

It would have been easier for Putin to divide any opposition to his seizure of territory after NATO was broken up. Putin wanted to begin any seizure of territory after the anticipated break-up of NATO.

kskiska

(27,047 posts)
12. At any rate, the way things are right now,
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:46 PM
Feb 2022

all systems are GO for Putin to invade the U.S. The Repubublican Commie Party is paving the way and no one there is complaining. No more "Evil Empire." Putin will probably put his designated puppet in place as Premier.

Irish_Dem

(47,452 posts)
18. Right, Putin was too busy invading the US.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:54 PM
Feb 2022

He had to capture the GOP and half of the US population.
Which is now the case.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
19. It's possible that both men have dirt on each other so they reached an amicable stalemate. Like
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:57 PM
Feb 2022

two scorpions circling each other in a bottle.

FrankTC

(210 posts)
21. Good Question
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:05 PM
Feb 2022

NATO would have been weakened by Trump's love affair with Putin. Meaningful sanctions and forceful responses would have been less likely. Maybe Putin didn't think that Trump would ever leave office?

pecosbob

(7,544 posts)
22. Putin was busy trying to orchestrate a southern gas pipeline through Syria
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:08 PM
Feb 2022

ostensibly as an alternate route for Russian gas shipments. Nuclear tech for the Sunnis was the quid pro quo. The Syrian civil war and ISIS and Trump's egotism screwed that all up. This is the fall back plan.

Beyond the issue of oil and gas, Putin and his cronies' greatest vulnerability and fear is losing control of the populace. In the 1970s the unauthorized use of a photocopier would get you sent to the Gulag...these days it's texting.

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