WW3

[a kennedy]

[brooklynite]

1. Of course not...

Hyperbole like this is really uncalled for.

[dchill]

4. It's exactly what Putin is willing to risk.

[brooklynite]

9. Its exactly what the US and NATO aren't prepared to engage in.

[dchill]

11. So? Who is ever prepared?

The US in 1941? The world is changing right now, whether we are ready or not.

[imavoter]

14. Agreed, but then what

How long can Ukraine hold Russian forces off.
Then Europe next? China will feel emboldened
with whatever bs they've been wanting to perpetrate.

It has me concerned. I don't see how we won't
get pulled in.

You have any thoughts?

[brooklynite]

23. Russia doesn't have an interest in occupying Western Europe

It has an interest in a buffer zone between it and NATO, and to reconstitute it's "empire" of former Soviet Union states.

If it can establish a client state Government in Ukraine that won't join NATO, I suspect that will be sufficient.

[dchill]

35. Oh, well then. That'll be fine. Or at least "sufficient."

/s

[imavoter]

37. Someone else pointed out

that in Putin's speech he said he thinks there
are Nato nations that used to be Soviet should
be a part of Russia again.

Doesn't bode well.
I hope I'm wrong

[Meowmee]

42. You aren't wrong

[Ka-Dinh Oy]

26. You mentioned China.

A friend of mine said years ago that it is not Russia we need to worry about. China is what we should worry about. China has more technology than Russia by far so the lengths they can take are more drastic. While our eyes are on Russia what is China up to?

[Chuuku Davis]

36. Taiwan

And Xi will get it

[enid602]

33. Putin

You know, with the vast majority of Russia's military assets concentrated on her western border, she really is somewhat vulnerable to a Chinese attack. The Chinese could take over Russia east of Moscow this week, and have it populated, developed and farmed the following. I don't think Putin is too smart.
Currently, the only city on Russia's East Coast is Vladivostok, which is about as important as Victorville, CA/

[uponit7771]

8. The people who say "its worse than it looks" have been more correct in the last 5 years than not

[brooklynite]

10. Which still doesn't call for tagging this as a "world war".

[Dan]

12. You might be right, but

There is historical reference to events like this - the early years of WW II. If Putin decides he wants to reconstruct the USSR (reference his views on the Eastern Countries that have left the USSR), then Ukraine is just the first. The gentle person might be wrong, but there is some historical validity toward that view.

[brooklynite]

13. In the early years of WW2, Britain and France launched military action in support of Poland

Nobody in NATO is launching military action in support of Ukraine.

[Dan]

17. Not true, what Hitler demanded at first, the European Powers acquiesced too.

Later, the European Powers decided that they had to meet military force with force.

[PortTack]

19. Which is what will happen here. Russia will be alone, China will offer soft backing but not troops

[Dan]

22. I was listening to someone on NPR (?) who was both translating parts of Putin's

Speech, and speaking to how Eastern Europe perceives what he says.

Sadly, I don’t speak Russian, but the parts of the translated speech by Putin says:

1. He does not agree with the Nations that were once part of the USSR - had the right to separate/

2. That former leaders of the USSR were wrong in allowing their independence.

3. That NATO is a threat and the idea that Ukraine might one day be allowed to be part of NATO was a knife to the throat of Russia.

Now, keep in mind that some of those former USSR Countries are now part of NATO.

I’m going to see if I can find a link to the actual speech, not just the exerts that we’ve been hearing on the news.

[imavoter]

30. Jesus n/t

[JCMach1]

47. Exactly, and WTF will we do when the Chinese dictator decides Taiwan

Belongs to communist China...

This is a very dangerous inflection point.

[vercetti2021]

2. Pretty much about to commence

I fear the world is about to have a really dark time again

[AngryOldDem]

3. I just feel like crying.

Everything seems so hopeless right now.

[Solomon]

5. I've already cried. I just broke out at the thought. And the OP beat me to it. WWIII indeed.

[denbot]

6. Whether or not you want one..

My grandfather and uncles fought in WWII, I guess my kids will have their part in WWII.

[sarisataka]

7. Not yet

but the war has just began

[njhoneybadger]

15. Putin is testing the waters trying to find out what the rest of the world will let him get away with

He already has half of America on his side.

[PortTack]

18. It's not half of america it's part of the gqp..a shrinking entity

[njhoneybadger]

20. i hope your right.

I live in northern NJ and it's not shrinking here. Maybe it's just an anomaly.

[imavoter]

32. Someone was saying Nato, etc

Aka we screwed up when we did nothing
on Crimea 10 years ago.

[PortTack]

16. NATO and EU have never been more resolved than right now. They know what is at stake

This mad man must be stopped..because he won’t

[Chuuku Davis]

38. Oh good grief

All we have left to use over there is harsh language and sternly worded sanctions.
Pray for Poland and Lithuania and get them more Javelins, MMPs, attack and suicide drones ASAP.
They are next.

[PortTack]

44. I suggest you look up article 5 of the NATO treaty....and possibly read something other than what

Is reported here by the m$m...educate yourself a bit

[WarGamer]

21. no.

There will be NO military response from the EU, NATO or the USA

[William769]

24. Do you still believe russia will not invade Ukraine?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216332072

I so want to hear the answer to this.

[WarGamer]

25. I'll answer. You've twisted my words

Like I said there...

An invasion isn't LOGICAL.

It'd be STUPID for Russia to invade.

Yeah they've done the stupid move. It was illogical.

My best guess was that an invasion would NOT occur because it'd be STUPID.

Stupid motherfuckers did it. Morons.

[dpibel]

40. How about this one?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16373078

Since you self-deleted the one the previous poster linked to.

This looks awfully like an unequivocal statement that Putin would not invade. Not that it would be stupid. Not "if he does then." Just "He won't."

Do you still think he won't?

Star Member WarGamer (3,950 posts)
3. He won't

It would be a stupid move.

He's not a stupid man.

He's playing for concessions and negotiations.

If he walks away with concessions, that's his real goal.

PLUS think about it... the longer he leaves troops on the border the more money Russia makes from international oil prices.

[WarGamer]

43. I've said several times today...

It would be a stupid move. Logic says he wouldn't do it.

So the stupid mf'er did it... I was wrong.

I think in every thread I added "If he does, he's an idiot"

He did the illogical move. Why are you harping on this?

[dpibel]

45. Very simple

That's not what you said.

I'll leave it to others to read your words. They're pretty clear and do not include the equivocation you'd like to insert ex post facto.

[WarGamer]

46. whatever, I think we're done here.

You might just want to put me on your "hide list" and I'll do likewise.

That's a pity... this site is all about open and free debate.

[dpibel]

48. And I have done what to deter open and free debate?

I believe quoting to you your own words is part of open and free debate.

I believe disagreeing with you is, too.

You are welcome to put me on ignore if you like.

I certainly will not do the same for you, as I would hate to miss out on other opportunities to correct your misstatements.

[WarGamer]

50. Let's dig in deeper.

When you analyze a situation, geopolitical or even sports... there's no crystal ball.

I could go in great depth how the Bengals could beat the Rams in SB56... talk about Burrows and Chase... or the Special Teams play...

But until Game Day, no one knows.

I said Putin won't invade BECAUSE of reasons x, y and z.

I listed legitimate reasons why he SHOULD not invade.

Game Day came and yeah he invaded.

It would have been sufficient for you to just say "Got that one wrong, huh?"

But instead you're harassing me. So yeah, I don't get it.

What's your end goal? DU is a big site and yet, 4-5 of you just like to troll my posts.

[dpibel]

51. I'm really comfortable at this point

letting the exchange speak for itself.

Anyone who takes the trouble to read it has, I think, all the information they need to evaluate it.

[USALiberal]

27. FFS! Self delete

[a kennedy]

28. and really, who decides what the damn war is called.....WE'RE IN IT NOW......

[Lady Freedom Returns]

29. Remember WWI? It very well could be.

Treaties are being activated as of right now.

[maryellen99]

31. He threatened Nuclear War in his speech nt

Link to tweet

?s=21

[Jspur]

34. Any War between the US and Russia would eventually lead to

Nuclear Armageddon. I can't see how this would be a conventional war where you would have US troops fight Russian troops. Eventually it would result into nuclear warfare due to the losing side not willing to accept defeat.

[Celerity]

41. No.

[ShazzieB]

49. Please don't.

We don't know exactly what it is yet.

Castastrophizing doesn't help anyone.