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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC's Hayes Brown on possible Ukraine effort to oust Russia from UN Security Council
This makes for fascinating reading. The twitter thread starts here, with a tweet posted a little over half an hour ago:
Link to tweet
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Brilliant. He made a powerful point.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)I assume all members of NATO are handy at this time. Stage a vote and do it already. As with so much shit these days consequences need to be swift not drag on for years or never.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Peter Baker
@peterbakernyt
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Reminder: Russia signed a binding international agreement in 1994 committing "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine and to refrain from the threat or use of force against the country.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)FFS.
They need to be relegated to wherever outlaw states and maniacs go!
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)Drumpf seems to be the de-facto activities coordinator and cheerleader for thugs and anti- democracy dictators. He relishes the role.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)Cha
(297,314 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Apparently that didn't apply to Bush and Cheney
Sogo
(4,986 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)Their permanent inclusion in the UN is extremely problematic, and this is an interesting angle.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)I don't think too many countries would worry about how it looks when they busted their asses trying to head this off. The very regions that asked the UN for help then had Russia declare war on Ukraine. Who's kidding who? Kick them the hell out of the UN. Apparently, no need to keep them available for peace talks.
The Revolution
(766 posts)The USSR had a seat, but the USSR no longer exists, so that seat is vacant. For that matter, have Taiwan take back their seat from the PRC if they complain. Putin's argument is that the Ukraine government isn't legitimate because their was a "coup". If PRC agrees with that logic then they are not the legitimate government of China either.
brooklynite
(94,597 posts)The only precedent (China) would be to decide that some other entity was the legitimate Government of Russia. That entity doesn't exist.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Their veto negates whatever the Security Council wants to do, and makes a mockery of the whole body.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and that's that.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)Their trade with all of the EU countries and North American countries dwarfs any trade they have with Russia.
They may agree on some military necessities, but when it comes to keeping the Chinese economy humming along, that's a different story.
You may very well be correct, but it certainly wouldn't be a snap decision. The Chinese are patient, and they'd think that through thoroughly I believe.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)This pact was already made
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)China has much more to lose than Russia.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Quite the contrary
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)from China, to attacks?
When you can stick to one subject at a time, let me know.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I'm clearly talking about rhetorical attacks not military.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Very intriguing.
Cha
(297,314 posts)blue-wave
(4,356 posts)Oust Russia and put Ukraine in it's place.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Both China and Russia would veto it.
nvme
(860 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)crickets
(25,981 posts)Given the circumstances, however... interesting.