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Is invading Ukraine Putin's swan song? (Original Post) BigmanPigman Feb 2022 OP
We hope, ill or not. elleng Feb 2022 #1
In the words of Captain Picard... regnaD kciN Feb 2022 #2
Sure seems like he has no more fucks cilla4progress Feb 2022 #3
Folks on the edge of his bubble know. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2022 #6
becoming a pariah state? SheltieLover Feb 2022 #8
no Baltics are qazplm135 Feb 2022 #4
It's definitely a page he's writing for his legacy. herding cats Feb 2022 #5
No. He just lusts for the resurrection of the Soviet Union. acantharchus Feb 2022 #7
That is what is going on in a nutshell. BigmanPigman Feb 2022 #11
Putin is embolden by his ability to weaken western democracies and his Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #9
Putin has been acting very strange LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #10
YES !!! I it looks like Russians are just as shocked as everyone else at Putin's war uponit7771 Feb 2022 #12
Putin doesn't care how much his people will suffer. BigmanPigman Feb 2022 #14
+1, I'm putting Pootin in the "batshit crazy" category right now uponit7771 Feb 2022 #15
Not in the least. maxsolomon Feb 2022 #13

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
3. Sure seems like he has no more fucks
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:25 AM
Feb 2022

to give.

Suicidal death wish.

How long will "senior staff" continue to appease him?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
6. Folks on the edge of his bubble know.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 04:09 AM
Feb 2022

They can see the world's response. They know that Russia is quickly becoming a pariah state. Enabling his behavior can't be tolerated, and so far, it won't. If there's an iota of reason in the Putin inner circle, they'll hate what Putin is doing. The west has made his motivation for invading remarkably transparent. He's got nowhere to hide. His lies are obvious. By the day, he has less and less gravitas and credibility. His subordinates can see this.

There are a few things that will make Russia stand up and notice. One is that Ukraine can win a lot of hearts and minds, and that's a very big part of the war. Second, Ukraine will maximize any small gains that they make against Russia by the use of announcements and even tweets. (Those are more powerful than anyone would have expected.) The world will be cheering Ukraine on, not Russia. Putin had better pay attention to that. It will affect everything he does. Materiel will be pouring into Ukraine's army while Russia will be cut off from money and commerce. Besides, what's a war machine without nano-circuitry, eh, Vlad?

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
4. no Baltics are
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:28 AM
Feb 2022

I think his swan song is to test NATO resolve on defending the Baltics. He can invade and cut them off in a day. Then what?

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
5. It's definitely a page he's writing for his legacy.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:32 AM
Feb 2022

He's been planning this far too long and with too much precision for me to assume otherwise. He's never been an honest player in most geopolitical dealings. It's always been a long game to him, in my opinion.

I wonder if he was just more volatile, more evil than the western people (population, not leaders) ever wanted to entertain? Perhaps that's why the sudden rush to assume he's suffering from dementia or some such. I don't think he is, this is who he's always been in my estimation.

 

acantharchus

(48 posts)
7. No. He just lusts for the resurrection of the Soviet Union.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 04:29 AM
Feb 2022

The US, EU, NATO, and UN don't and won't have the collective will to defy Putin's invasion of Ukraine (all hat, no cattle). The monied interests rule the day.

If those entities were serious they would be destroying as I speak advancing tanks out of Belarus and to the east. We would be shutting down all of Moscow's infrastructure as well as other major Russian cities. We would have carrier groups running air strikes over Ukraine with a no invasion mandate. The analogies to Hitler's invasions are not exact but they are instructive.

Putin will ignore appeasement and "sanctions"; he is not demented or in anyway impaired, but he is a tyrant and sociopath.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
9. Putin is embolden by his ability to weaken western democracies and his
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 07:55 AM
Feb 2022

partnership with China.

They want to be THE global superpowers. Putin must show regional control and prove his superiority.

Putin/GOP greatly weakened the US and now is the time to shift global power.

BigmanPigman

(51,610 posts)
14. Putin doesn't care how much his people will suffer.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 07:20 PM
Feb 2022

He doesn't give a shit about them. He is driven by his own demons at this time.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
13. Not in the least.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 06:52 PM
Feb 2022

This cements his legacy in the pantheon of Russian Strongmen.

He is only 69, he has complete control of the state, dissent is not tolerated. He controls Russia until he dies, probably 15 years hence, minimum.

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