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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:44 AM Feb 2022

Jerry Lewis co-stars accuse late star of sexual abuse


Vanity Fair investigation finds a string of fellow actors who describe harassment and assaults in the 60s when Lewis was at the height of his fame

Former co-stars of the late actor and comedian Jerry Lewis have accused him of sexual assault and sexual harassment. The women all met Lewis when he was at the height of his Hollywood career. In an investigation by Vanity Fair and accompanying short film, they allege Lewis – who died of natural causes in 2017 aged 91, had mistreated them.

The story and film are based in part on interviews conducted by Emmy-winning Allen v Farrow film-makers, Amy Ziering and Kirby Dick, who have been investigating Hollywood’s long history of abuse. They found that some of the most explosive accusations involved Lewis.

Among those interviewed are Hope Holiday, who starred alongside Lewis in The Ladies Man, Jill St John, who starred opposite Lewis in Who’s Minding the Store?, Anna Maria Alberghetti, who worked with him on Cinderfella, Karen Sharpe, who played Lewis’s love interest in The Disorderly Orderly, Oscar-nominated writer Renée Taylor, and singer Lainie Kazan.

Sharpe, now 87, alleged that after a costume fitting in his office in 1964, Lewis physically assaulted her. “He grabbed me. He began to fondle me. He unzipped his pants. Quite frankly, I was dumbstuck,” she said. “I put my hand up and said, ‘Wait a minute. I don’t know if this is a requirement for your leading ladies, but this is something I don’t do.’ I could see that he was furious. I got the feeling that that never really happened to him.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/feb/24/jerry-lewis-co-stars-accuse-late-star-of-sexual-abuse
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Jerry Lewis co-stars accuse late star of sexual abuse (Original Post) milestogo Feb 2022 OP
Waiting until someone dies to attack them is wrong. marie999 Feb 2022 #1
Wut...... secondwind Feb 2022 #2
If what they allege is true is it an attack ? Also with these people you have to consider JI7 Feb 2022 #3
Exactly. We're talking about more than 40 years ago, when you had to take a lot of secondwind Feb 2022 #5
He died only 4 1/2 years ago. marie999 Feb 2022 #10
So what ? T JI7 Feb 2022 #18
Are you actually saying new revelations coming out of sexual assault and harrassment should be... brush Feb 2022 #34
In this case melm00se Mar 2022 #58
Well that's certainly a new way of saying "why didn't they say something?/?//???" WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #6
He was a well known dirtbag when he was alive... tenderfoot Feb 2022 #8
Unfortunately, yes. shrike3 Feb 2022 #23
Yep. My mom hated him. hunter Feb 2022 #24
In juxtapose to Dean Martin and Don Rickles who everyone adored. tenderfoot Feb 2022 #25
My mom, too nt XanaDUer2 Mar 2022 #60
Do you know how your Mom knew this stuff? robbob Mar 2022 #62
My mom and dad are artists who met working in Hollywood. hunter Mar 2022 #63
I think people always have the right to speak their truth. delisen Feb 2022 #13
It's okay. BannonsLiver Feb 2022 #21
He's dead. What's the point? Srkdqltr Feb 2022 #4
The victim(s) aren't. secondwind Feb 2022 #7
Post removed Post removed Feb 2022 #12
Any number of totally valid reasons. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #15
There are no time limits on free speec about our life experiences. delisen Feb 2022 #16
I am not defending Jerry Lewis. marie999 Feb 2022 #17
You most certainly ARE defending Jerry Lewis. (nt) Paladin Feb 2022 #20
You are literally defending him obamanut2012 Feb 2022 #38
Making this something we can talk about Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #9
Normalizing the discussion of it? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #11
He was an arrogant asshole from what I have heard. Treated service people like doc03 Feb 2022 #14
Not to mention "his kids". AngryOldDem Feb 2022 #40
Oh good grief! hamsterjill Feb 2022 #19
There's never a bad time to talk about sexual assault. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #22
Yep, he was known dirtbag amongst the disability community & advocates. nt mentalsolstice Feb 2022 #26
Well hell. hamsterjill Feb 2022 #28
As you say, there's good and bad in everyone. Is mentioning the bad "hating on"? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #29
When it's five years after someone has died. hamsterjill Feb 2022 #32
What would be the appropriate time limit for talking about the bad side of people? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #35
Once they are dead, what's the point? hamsterjill Feb 2022 #36
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #39
Whatever... hamsterjill Feb 2022 #41
No worries. Everyone hated him when he was still alive. tenderfoot Feb 2022 #31
sex abuse is really bad, not some minor thing you can just gloss over and normalise Celerity Mar 2022 #54
I'm not trying to normalize anything. hamsterjill Mar 2022 #61
Jimmy Saville raised money for sick kids Sympthsical Mar 2022 #59
I always found Jerry Lewis to be... 3catwoman3 Feb 2022 #27
and annoying milestogo Feb 2022 #42
Some of his physical comedy looked to me as if... 3catwoman3 Feb 2022 #45
In the 60s it was accepted that powerful men abused women. Kablooie Feb 2022 #30
This does not surprise me nini Feb 2022 #33
I remember sitting through The Errand Boy twice. Kingofalldems Feb 2022 #37
I guess in the fifties frogmarch Feb 2022 #43
I got the same advice about not flaunting my intellectual... 3catwoman3 Feb 2022 #46
I was told "its a man's world" by my mother. milestogo Mar 2022 #50
He thought he was Buddy Love. no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #44
Lol! Nt XanaDUer2 Feb 2022 #47
Kick nt XanaDUer2 Mar 2022 #48
Hard to pick a side on this one MissMillie Mar 2022 #49
Is it time to stop bashing Hitler? milestogo Mar 2022 #51
+1 Celerity Mar 2022 #56
Hitler's actions were proven and well documented MissMillie Mar 2022 #57
People need to come to terms with the fact that it's likely that themaguffin Mar 2022 #52
As a reference, see Fatty Arbuckle. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #55
Are they trying to make Lewis into an American Jimmy Saville? The Grand Illuminist Mar 2022 #53

JI7

(89,252 posts)
3. If what they allege is true is it an attack ? Also with these people you have to consider
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:51 AM
Feb 2022

the times they were living in .

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
5. Exactly. We're talking about more than 40 years ago, when you had to take a lot of
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:53 AM
Feb 2022

abuse, or your career may be destroyed.

brush

(53,787 posts)
34. Are you actually saying new revelations coming out of sexual assault and harrassment should be...
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:52 PM
Feb 2022

buried?

hunter

(38,317 posts)
24. Yep. My mom hated him.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:20 PM
Feb 2022

When me and my siblings were small we didn't really understand her aversion to some actors. "All our friends" were watching that stuff and we weren't allowed.

Bob Crane was another actor on her shit list.

When we were older we found out why.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
63. My mom and dad are artists who met working in Hollywood.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:43 PM
Mar 2022

My grandma and her sister were definitely insiders.

My grandmother wanted all her grandchildren to be stars but I flunked out early. My television career ended when I was four years old. My mom says I'd stare at very important people the same way I'd stare at interesting insects. I always was a scientist.

I'd planned on being a television engineer "when I grew up" but switched majors to biology my second year of college.

My sister and one of my brothers have some screen credits but they never were able to make careers of it. My sister works just enough to maintain her union card.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
13. I think people always have the right to speak their truth.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:00 PM
Feb 2022

What is wrong is to try to pressure them to remain silent.

Response to secondwind (Reply #7)

delisen

(6,044 posts)
16. There are no time limits on free speec about our life experiences.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:03 PM
Feb 2022

You are free to defend Jerry Lewis.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
17. I am not defending Jerry Lewis.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:07 PM
Feb 2022

If they said something 5 years ago he could have defended himself.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
9. Making this something we can talk about
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:55 AM
Feb 2022

and making it clear that the discussions of it happening now aren't anything new?

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
11. Normalizing the discussion of it?
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:55 AM
Feb 2022

Making it clear that people we may like may also be committing sexual assault so that we can't hide behind "I don't believe that about this person."

doc03

(35,346 posts)
14. He was an arrogant asshole from what I have heard. Treated service people like
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:02 PM
Feb 2022

crap belittling them in public.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
40. Not to mention "his kids".
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:42 PM
Feb 2022

Many deeply resented him for making them objects of pity. He helped MDA tremendously, don’t misunderstand — our family knew two families who benefited greatly from MDA, including paying for a lift van — but his fawning could be over the top.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
19. Oh good grief!
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:10 PM
Feb 2022

He’s been dead five years? And this comes out now?

He may have been an ass. I don’t know. But I do know that he raised millions for sick kids. No person is ever all good or all bad.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)
22. There's never a bad time to talk about sexual assault.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:18 PM
Feb 2022

And while his MDA fundraising certainly was effective, it also set disability rights back every year by evoking pity and centering abled people who could help, instead of empowering disabled people to help themselves. Many in the disabled community can't stand him or his approach.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
36. Once they are dead, what's the point?
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:07 PM
Feb 2022

They can’t hurt anyone else any more. They aren’t alive to defend accusations. Isn’t it appropriate that an accused be able to defend against accusations levied? Or do we just automatically believe the accuser?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)
39. .
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:32 PM
Feb 2022
Once they are dead, what's the point?
In the case of sexual harassment/assault, it's always useful to talk about people's experiences. It can help other survivors or supporters to learn more about what harassment/assault looks like, it lets supporters know what they can do in the moment or afterwards if someone they know comes to them with allegations, that kind of thing.

They can’t hurt anyone else any more.
No, but we can give the survivors the support they need while they're here.

They aren’t alive to defend accusations.
That's certainly a problem for every dead person.

Isn’t it appropriate that an accused be able to defend against accusations levied? Or do we just automatically believe the accuser?
Legally, you can't slander the dead, so whatever. "Automatically believe the accuser" is also scare language designed to silence victims.


hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
41. Whatever...
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:53 PM
Feb 2022

Look, we disagree.

I’m not trying to scare anyone. But I don’t believe that every accusation is true either. I think every accusation should be considered, but there are always two sides and both sides need to be heard. When one cannot be heard, I think that matters.

Thanks for the spirited discussion. I think we’ve covers this as much as needed. Have a great rest of your day.


hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
61. I'm not trying to normalize anything.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 04:59 PM
Mar 2022

I just don’t think every accusation should result in a person being automatically guilty. That’s why we have a system of justice in this country - both criminal and civil venues.

3catwoman3

(24,006 posts)
45. Some of his physical comedy looked to me as if...
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:30 PM
Feb 2022

…he was mocking people with disabilities. Even as a little girl, I found that very offensive.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
30. In the 60s it was accepted that powerful men abused women.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:45 PM
Feb 2022

Yes it was horrifying for the women but society accepted and even expected it.
It was a different world back then when a new vacuum cleaner was advertised as a wonderful Christmas gift for a wife.

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
37. I remember sitting through The Errand Boy twice.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:12 PM
Feb 2022

Thought Jerry was a genuinely nice person until I saw him on a couple talk shows. He really showed what a jerk he was.

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
43. I guess in the fifties
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:17 PM
Feb 2022

it was considered OK for women to be treated like sex toys.

I was just entering my teens in the early 50s, and my mom, a college graduate, told me that if I wanted to succeed in a future career, I should be "nice" to the men in charge. She also warned me to never, ever, let a man know if it so happens that I am smarter than he.

3catwoman3

(24,006 posts)
46. I got the same advice about not flaunting my intellectual...
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:33 PM
Feb 2022

…abilities in the early-to-mid 1960s from my mother.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
50. I was told "its a man's world" by my mother.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 11:48 AM
Mar 2022

True, but not an empowering thing to tell a young girl.

MissMillie

(38,560 posts)
49. Hard to pick a side on this one
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 11:42 AM
Mar 2022

for all the reasons that people are debating in this thread.

I get all of the arguments.

Victims should speak out and get closure.
A dead person can't defend him/herself.
He was a prick
He did good things

Turns out everyone could be right.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
51. Is it time to stop bashing Hitler?
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 11:49 AM
Mar 2022

No, its never time.

And if someone behaved really badly, they deserve to be bashed for a long time.

MissMillie

(38,560 posts)
57. Hitler's actions were proven and well documented
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 11:58 AM
Mar 2022

I would say that 99.9999999% of the time I come down on the side of the victims, and I tend to lean that way this time as well. It's what my gut tells me.

I'm also saying that I understand the other argument.

Shades of gray all over the place on this one. I won't fault anyone for picking either side on this particular situation.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
52. People need to come to terms with the fact that it's likely that
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 11:50 AM
Mar 2022

most men in Hollywood engaged in some form of harassment or more... and you can bet that it was worse the further you go back in time.

Back in the old studio system, studios basically owned the talent, so how women got roles etc. was definitely more in favor of men in power than even in recent years.

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