The United States better wake the fuck up and deal with

[malaise]

the lunatic Slobfather.
That is all

[uponit7771]

1. K&R, Putin's Whore is as dangerous to the world as Putin

[bdamomma]

77. Both

are strong and wrong.

[frogmarch]

2. I wonder if

as a child, Putin, like TFG, stole his brother's blocks and glued them together.

Putin and Trump are dangerous lunatics and must be stopped.

[lastlib]

49. Maybe somebody dumped mashed potatoes on Vlad's head too?

He is one twisted-up f*cker.

[Claustrum]

3. Totally agree.

If Trump is still "viable" politically, our ally and enemies (Putin, Xi, and Kim, etc) will never take US seriously again. And without US being a world power, I fear for our future (or the lack thereof of a future).

I am just dumbfounded as to how one US political party could side with Putin and that isn't a vote killer. It's really not the US I used to think of.

[wnylib]

13. We aren't on the US any more, but

we are in red Kansas.

For now.

Stand up and FIGHT BACK!

[Cozmo]

33. Putin is financing the republican party plain and simple

This is how Autocrats take power and it's happening right under our noses. The more credence we give to the TFG and GQP the more we are spreading their lies and hate. I wish we could just ignore their lunacy and focus on maintaining democracy before it slips away. If you thought that this couldn't happen, well guess what?

[Claustrum]

34. I long for the day when Trump becomes toxic and no one would talk or mention him.

But we are very far from that day.

[Cozmo]

37. TFG as been toxic for a long time now. Obviously there are a lot of masochist who enjoy this.

[Claustrum]

38. Call me when he is toxic to 90% of the population like he deserves.

He is still largely loved and praised by most republicans. He deserved to be spitted on and trashed by everyone and I mean everyone.

[Cozmo]

43. Frankly, I can't speak for the lunatics of the world and avoid them like the plague

trump family has been subjugating humanity for years and years. trump's toxicity is a fact and for those who choose to look away, there is nothing I can do for them.

[lastlib]

50. We have to look for things to do TO them....

Somehow inflict pain on them for their tRump-worship.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

117. I am looking forward to the day tfg dies.

And when pooty dies alone in a jail cell beaten to a pulp .

[Scrivener7]

4. Yup.

[EarthFirst]

5. I'm hoping that the 12:30 presser is a veritable "Fu*k you..."

Stone Age them from society.

[hamsterjill]

6. Well said!

You are right on the mark!

[Solomon]

7. I kept saying when he lost the election

that he should be deported and DU-ers jumped all over me about who would have the right to deport him.

A jury of his peers would have the right. After all, juries in some places can send a person to death, which is far worse than being deported.

I never thought he should be allowed to stay here, spread his poison, undermine faith in our democracy and systems and I still don't think he should be allowed to. Its one thing if he were expressing opinions. But he is flat out lying and fomenting civil war.

[Ms. Toad]

46. You cannot legally deport a US citizen. n/t

[Solomon]

55. True. But too bad in this case. Trump is breaking the mold.

[BlackSkimmer]

97. Really interesting to see who wants to throw due process out the window.

Illuminating thread.

[Mr.Bill]

59. I'll settle for GITMO.

We have established the legal precedent that someone can be held there for decades without even being charged with a crime.

[BlackSkimmer]

92. You find that to be a good thing?

Wow.

[Mr.Bill]

94. Show me where I said it was a good thing.

[BlackSkimmer]

96. You said you'd settle for Gitmo to imprison a US citizen without due process.

Fascinating.

[Mr.Bill]

98. That's because if I really said what I want to do to the Trump family

some people wouldn't like it.

[BlackSkimmer]

99. Um, ok.

[Mr.Bill]

100. And by the way, show me where I said without due process.

And see if you can do it without putting more words in my mouth.

All I said was that a precedent had been set.

[BlackSkimmer]

101. Ok Mr Bill.

We both know what you said. Please elaborate what precedent that might be? Hmmm?

I’m not bumping this thread any more. But it’s clear what you meant, and you wanted people to know that.

Of course, you also say you wish something worse, but I guess are too timid to say that?

So this is pretty futile. Your name makes sense to me now. Have a nice evening Mr Bill.

[Mr.Bill]

102. No, we know what you said.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

104. YOUR post #59. YOUR words: "held for decades without being charged". You applied it to tRump.

You cited "legal precedent". Holding US citizens without charging for decades is without due process, and there is no legal precedent for that. The people held at Guantanamo are not US citizens.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216391204#post59

59. I'll settle for GITMO.

We have established the legal precedent that someone can be held there for decades without even being charged with a crime.
You can not petition the Lord with prayer!

Did you understand what you wrote? We sure did.

[Mr.Bill]

106. The words

"US Citizens" do not appear in my post #59. Anything else you want to make up?

And yes, an American citizen was held at GITMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay

[Bernardo de La Paz]

107. So you believe tRump is not a US citizen? So due process would not appy to him? Gosh!

It was one person and their case was expedited as soon as the mistake was found out, as your own link states. Expedited by him renouncing his US citizenship.

[Mr.Bill]

108. I'm not even sure he is a human being. n/t

[treestar]

105. He was born in the USA

We can't get rid of him. He is our responsibility. But we can put him in prison after due process.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

109. Wrong. 8 USC S 1427

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_the_United_States

Deportation of Americans from the United States is the wrongful[1] expulsion, return or extradition of Americans to other countries, often after being convicted of a crime.[2][3][4][5] These individuals in removal proceedings include Americans by birth and legal immigrants that were naturalized under 8 U.S.C. § 1427 or admitted as nationals of the United States under the Child Citizenship Act of 2000.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12] A U.S. citizen cannot legally be deported, and thus can return to the United States at any time.[13][14]

[Buckeyeblue]

8. I agree. I'm not sure how we do this?

[wnylib]

22. We can pressure Congress to pressure DOJ.

We can hold anti fascist rallies across the country.

Protests in DC for DOJ action. Demand removal of SS protection for Trump. Protest RW hate media in front of their offices.

Raise funds to establish our own left wing networks of media to counteract the disinformation garbage spewed out to the public all day every day. I'd like to see the DNC support such media, but don't expect to see it. So do it ourselves. There are some well off lefties who could step forward to save democracy. Contact them.

[Buckeyeblue]

28. I worry these steps would bring more attention to him

And continue to give him a forum

[wnylib]

32. How would it give him a forum?

Nobody at a protest rally will invite him as a speaker.

He will say something nasty about it. So what? He does that anyway.

My only concern is counter protests instigating violence. The counter to that is something that many would be afraid to do, but has worked in the past. Non violent passive protests, refusing to fight back. It demonstrates more than anything where the trouble comes from.

[hadEnuf]

42. "Raise funds to establish our own left wing networks of media to counteract the disinformation

garbage spewed out to the public all day every day."

Absolutely this.

Countering the lying RW brainwashing machine would have a huge effect IMO.

[wnylib]

76. I am frustrated, annoyed, and disturbed

that we do not have a louder public voice to communicate our own message and drown out the ignorance and disinformation that the right spews constantly.

[hadEnuf]

80. Agree 100%. We should have been setting up 20+ years ago to fight what is now full-on propaganda

being spewed by the right.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

118. Ogliarches that own the press

Are why we dont get the press and tv to get our voice out.

I think the ogliarches support tfg and pooty.
If they dont,I would have never guessed.

[bdamomma]

79. the propaganda networks

i.e Fox, Newsmax and OAN need to go. Bastards spreading lies and getting money for doing it. Fucking Tucker comes to mind.

[wnylib]

88. Of we can't eliminate Fox TV and the rest,

we can at least provide loud voices of our own.

[ancianita]

9. Remember, because you don't see action, doesn't mean the U.S. is sleeping.

To do that ONE thing you want -- because no lunatic is above the law -- a hundred other things have to be in place; because lunatics can break laws, but prosecutors cannot make even one mistake.

[malaise]

16. I know DOJ is working hard

but it's time for action

[ancianita]

23. Be patient. Someone smarter than us is in charge of the timing of this thing.

[oldsoftie]

54. hopefully God will take charge of slowing his circulatory system.......

And I think that's the first time I've ever gone that deep regarding an American.

[wnylib]

29. Yes it is.

[malaise]

17. I know DOJ is working hard

but it's time for action

[Auggie]

19. +1: the case against Trump must be bullet-proof

[KPN]

36. To this point, there has been very little that would give one confidence that any meaningful account

accountability will be imposed on tfg. There has been no concrete accountability thus far that gives me a reason to believe this. All I can do is hope ... and my hope is beginning to wane frankly. Increasingly, I see us as weak in response to growing authoritarianism/fascism -- at least as far as those who wield responsibility and power to enforce accountability goes.

[BannonsLiver]

10. Oh no.

Another missed prediction?

[Bobstandard]

11. Nobody is holding Trump to account

Somehow the fix is in in Manhattan and every other initiative that looked like it might take Trump to court has failed. Nope, the guy is getting away with it and will continue to be a thorn in the side of democracy and freedom in America right up and beyond the day the Republicans take back government.

Get ready. Life is going to get really harsh in America too damn soon.

[mjvpi]

14. This would be a wonderful time to release the Mueller report and the grand jury .........

……..information about Trump/Russia. Redacted in a responsible way, of course.

[malaise]

18. In it's entirety - unredacted

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Yawn. Preaching to the choir. . . nt

[MustBeTheBooz]

60. That was nice.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

63. OP was boring and a waste of time. It's preaching to believers and adds zero zip zilch. . . . nt

[MustBeTheBooz]

72. Sorry. My bad.

I thought this was a message board, providing for the exchange of ideas and points of view. I happen to agree with Malaise and thought your reply was rude and uncalled for. YMMV

[Bernardo de La Paz]

85. Your insincerity is obvious

Nothing new or original was offered in the OP that hasn't been said a thousand times.

The United States better wake the fuck up and deal with
the lunatic Slobfather.
That is all

Everyone here agrees with the OP. It's a vanity post that belongs in The DU Lounge.

Sorry. My bad.

You are insincere.

[MustBeTheBooz]

87. Apparently...

You have a hard time with sarcasm as well as being rude.

[Skittles]

91. I particularly despise preaching from non-starred members

I mean, WTF

[BlackSkimmer]

93. We have a few of those. One posts OPs everyday.

Usually of the preaching variety.

[MustBeTheBooz]

95. They could have just moved on...

Instead of calling the OP a “vanity post.”
Seems uncalled for, to me.

[Eyeball_Kid]

20. The GOP is happily crusading for a mass murderer and tyrant.

There must somewhere, be reasonable people who are watching in disgust and revulsion.

Somewhere...

[Claustrum]

24. It's crazy to think how far the republican party has fallen in a just a few years.

Just about 10 years ago, their party leaders (McCain, Mitten, etc.) would have condemned Russia along with us. As much as I disagree with them, they had the decency and the intelligence to be on the right side of history. It's crazy how Fox News and Trumpist are siding with Putin and there isn't an immediate revolt (both from their party and ours and independent) against them.

[mathematic]

21. Trump thinks there are genuine security concerns on both sides of the Russia/Ukraine conflict

What an mush-brained fool.

It would be great if we, as a whole, could recognize that Trump has been uncritically amplifying Russian propaganda and call it out for what it is: An attempt to weaken liberal democracy around the world in order to satisfy his personal resentments.

[inthewind21]

25. Would you be referring to

The same United States where millions of it's citizens legitimately and legally put Trump in the White House? Has turned a blind eye to EVERYTHING that corrupt and morally bankrupt administration did and continues to try and do. Elected the likes of MTG, Boebart, Hawley, Gosar, Brooks, Jordan etc. As I have said all along, Trump, Green, McCarthy fill in Republican name here, they are problems, but not THE problem. Until we get average Joe American MAGA back from the abyss of insanity, ALL of this will continue. And most likely get worse. THAT is the elephant in the room no one is really addressing. And at this point, the MAGAS are so dug in, so paranoid and brainwashed and unwilling to even listen to reason and sanity let alone budge even a fraction of an inch. I'm not so so sure there even CAN be a course correction at this point. They were given a taste of power and allowed to run amok with it. They're not likely to just lay down and give it up.

[Loge23]

35. Nailed it

We're already essentially at war in this country with ourselves.
Whole states, large ones, have been taken over by the magas.
Stupidity, racism, and ignorance have proved to be the cancer that is killing the USA.

[bdamomma]

81. your last statement

is on point, and a lot of people planned for it, those traitors in the Congress, and those who believe in propaganda.

Putin and those who do not believe in democracy wanted this all along, to bring the US chaos.

[Stainless]

26. TFG will never see the inside of an existing prison cell

The logistics of that scenario are way too complicated.

Isolating him on an island with no outside contact for the rest of his life would be a fitting punishment IMO. His offspring could be incarcerated alongside him.

[Delphinus]

30. I'm good with that,

as long as there is NO contact with Faux news, social media of any kind, no interaction with people who can further their evil agenda.

[malaise]

56. THIS

Great idea

[sop]

58. I propose Guantanamo.

[Traildogbob]

27. Gotta be inclusive

All his whores, congress, GQP, Lindsay, Cotton, all of em, Bannon needs deported and exiled and Fox needs burned to the ground. How about a brick wall and a blindfold for Bannon? No, forget the fucking blindfold. Let him see it coming to his greasy forehead.

[spanone]

31. He's as dangerous as putin

maybe more.

[Vinca]

39. I can't believe that NY DA is backing off. He's going to get off again. If it were anyone

else we'd already be doing time. He should have gone to jail for money laundering back in the Atlantic City casino era, but officials dealing with him always cave. Makes you wonder if Trump spends all his money bribing people who could put him away.

[LymphocyteLover]

45. They seem to think he just another corrupt businessman and not the head of a large crime family

and just aren't bringing the big guns to deal with him.

[Rebl2]

40. AGREED!

[johnthewoodworker]

41. America is a fascist country and will do nothing right or functional.

[MustBeTheBooz]

62. Finally!!

Someone gets it! It’s the Rule of Thirds. And in this country, right now, the lower third controls the country. Sad but true.

In re: to BLOTUS, ain’t nothin’ gonna happen.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

84. Wrong. Not true. Completely overdrawn to the point of absurdity. And the reich wing

The reich wing calls Nancy Pelosi "Nazi Pelosi".

Your post subject line agrees with them.

Please clarify your position. Please state if you think all of Nancy Pelosi's accomplishments are non-functional and not right. Please state that you don't think the Democratic President is fascist and that you don't think Biden has done and will do nothing right or functional.

Can you do that, or will you insist on absolutist binary illogic?

[KS Toronado]

44. The Jan 6th Select Committee & several Grand Juries are dealing with him

And yes we wish they would go faster.

[maryellen99]

47. Don't be surprised if the Ukrainian government is overthrown and replaced with Putin loyalists

They’ll “find” all the “evidence” against Biden.

[C Moon]

48. When we do get tfg, desantis will be there to fill that black hole.

[AllaN01Bear]

51. inmy mind this was planed as a distraction. my opinion and opinion only

[Haggard Celine]

70. That's a good possibility.

Every time they start closing in on Trump, some sort of distraction happens. He always manages to skate right under the bar. It's happened too many times for it to be a coincidence.

[bdamomma]

83. I was thinking it was

a distraction too, but Putin was hoping for a second term to invade Ukraine with no resistance, but President Biden is there now. Thank God.

But now all you will hear from the right wing lunatics is how Biden is the blame when we know Putin went all in.

I think my viewing of the networks will be limited, I will listen to BBC, or Free Speech TV, or Democracy Now.

[Caliman73]

52. How?

Not to call you out Malaise, but what legal means, other than the processes that are in progress now, would you suggest be used to "deal" with Trump?

The United States does not have a good tack record of dealing with powerful people who do bad things. We allowed literal traitors, who actively waged war on the Union, to escape without much or any consequences.

We have allowed at least 2 American presidents who have compromised US national security to win elections (Nixon and Reagan) to go without consequences. We allowed a 3rd president to go without consequences when his administration lied us into war in Iraq.

What should the US do to Trump?

[malaise]

61. Let the experts weigh in

I'm a senior citizen in a 'shithole' country - ask that jaundiced fellow

[Caliman73]

64. Unfortunately, one of the weaknesses of "liberalism" ... how to deal with extremism.

We liberals tend to conceptualize things in terms of allowing the system to work, but right wingers are breaking the system. They violate norms, rules, and then laws. Then they assume power and make up immoral laws.

We need to think about it in terms of what is acceptable in a society where freedom for all is proposed. In my opinion, freedom to tear down the values of society is not acceptable, even when the society proposes freedom to advocate for whatever. Fascists always use the mechanisms of liberal democracy to destroy it.

[malaise]

65. Yep

and it is a weakness

[BlackSkimmer]

53. But, not too long ago you assured us he was "going down."

[malaise]

57. He is going down

but the country needs to garner all resources to destroy him in the shortest possible time.

[BlackSkimmer]

74. Time will tell. nt

[róisín_dubh]

66. One of the greatest things about Mexican...

Politics is that it is practically verboten for former presidents to attempt to influence or undermine the current administration.
Food for thought.

[malaise]

68. Agree 100%

The media have also facilitated this dangerous circus clown.

[Mr.Bill]

103. It was pretty much that way here, too.

Until Trump.

[Snackshack]

67. It should have...

A long time ago. Unfortunately it looks like DT has successfully bullied the country into being too fearful to do anything. Previous generations dealt with people like Hitler and Stalin now we can’t even deal with a 70+ yr old overweight bully who allowed a virus to spread that has now killed almost 1 million Americans and attempted a coup.

The resignations of the two prosecutors because the DA is fearful of applying the law is a sad state of affairs.

[Budi]

69. We tried to impeach him twice!

[malaise]

73. He was impeached twice but not removed

That he is still given air time is frightening - he should be ostracized and banished

[Cha]

114. Of course.. the Psychotic Traitor

wasn't Removed.. That's on the MAGATs NOT the Dems.

Who I am Defending on the Democratic Board.. and Are Quite Awake.

[malaise]

115. Yep

That’s the truth

[Cha]

113. Mahalo! The Dems Are the

Fuck Awake!: GD!

[BootinUp]

71. Might take 100 flushes. Just keep flushing. Nt

[temporary311]

75. If nearly being mass murdered on Jan 6

wasn't enough to wake up Democrats, then I don't think anything will.

[malaise]

78. Democrats only?

What about those supposedly Constitution-loving, flag hugging, law and order BananaReTHUGs?

[Budi]

82. Seriously? DEMOCRATS!

Wow.. just fking delete that post.

[temporary311]

86. Why would Republicans need to wake up?

They're in on it.

[Budi]

89. That's not an answer.

Apparantly 2 Impeachment trials by DEMOCRATS, & the latest BIDEN presser isn't waking up enough.. got it.

DEMOCRATS aren't the problem.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

90. Please support Democrats and don't bash them. They are not asleep like you claim. . . . nt

[Cha]

112. The Dems Are Fucking AWAKE..

Just because someone says they're Not.. doesn't mean shit to me.

[betsuni]

116. Another "Why did Democrats allow/let/not stop Republicans" "They do nothing" both sides thing.

[Bettie]

110. Unfortunately, the majority of us have zero impact on anything that happens

I want him dealt with too, but no one gives a single fuck what I want.

And I want him locked up along with his odious spawn and the hooker he married.

[malaise]

111. So true