Who is the Russian Army? GREEN 1 year of service. A quick study thanks to a DU'er comment today

[underpants]

I can’t find the comment (yes I’m trying to fish out who it was)

I did a quick study.

1 year of conscription*. That means a lot of the soldier are really really green. Sure their are long timers. I can’t find a breakdown on that.
The draft is by hand. They have to hand you the draft summons.
2 two month windows every year. Often kids just hide to avoid being served the summons.
There is a very active network of mothers teaching other mothership to get their kid out of the military. Very active network.
Moscow and other larger cities are hard to meet quotas due to access to information and opportunities.
Brutal systematic hazing of conscripts.
Many kids are rejected due to malnutrition and other health issues. Human Rights Report below (older report) says at least 1/2 of the conscripts are rejected.

* having been in the US Army I’d say even with the excellent training I really knew what I was doing after about a year. A couple field problems and then I had learned a lot of tricks and what to expect.


How Young Russian Men Avoid the Draft
By Elisabeth Braw
November 9, 2015
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/2015-11-09/russians-dodge-bullet

Human Rights Watch
https://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/russia/russia1102-01.htm

Activists in Russia say military conscription is a weapon for silencing dissent
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210503-activists-in-russia-say-military-conscription-is-a-weapon-for-silencing-dissent

[brer cat]

1. They are probably very unhappy to be in this situation.

[doc03]

2. According to Wesley Clark it is bullshit they are young draftees. He said about 80% are

experienced professionals.

[underpants]

3. Okay.

I said I couldn’t find a break down. Obviously Gen. Clark knows way more than me but this is a good picture of many who are currently in their army.

[doc03]

5. I saw him this afternoon with Chuck Todd I think. I would post a link but

I can't find one damn it.

[underpants]

7. I can't either.

Even video.

[JoanofArgh]

13. Retired General of the US Army Europe disagrees with Clark.

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=PM0RjiyZv1iEYorhgJBFlA


https://www.adventhealth.com/adventhealth-press/mark-hertling-dba

[EX500rider]

4. The other issue is they do not have a professional NCO system like in the West (Sr Sergeants)

They've been experimenting with NCO's lately but have no experienced NCO's like we do in the US military.
Using Jr Lieutenants for the same job does not work as well, they don't have the time in Sr Srgts do.

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/articles/20190612.aspx

[underpants]

8. I thought that was a fixture of military structure.

I learned so much from our senior Scout and my E5 Bradley Commander - he made me a really good gunner.

[Woodwizard]

6. I was in the Army during the cold war.

We trained a lot I was a vehicle mechanic in a infantry division. The grunts trained even more.

We watched propaganda films about Soviet readiness about how well trained they were.

Later in life I worked with a Russian who served in the Soviet Army and told him about the training intensive Soviet Army he laughed his ass off.

[underpants]

9. Funny

An NCO once told us that Cuban infantry were known for their good marksmanship. That’s because all they did was cut sugar cane and go to the range.

[BlueWavePsych]

10. K&R

[crickets]

11. K&R for visibility.

[JoanofArgh]

12. Mark Hertling said the same thing. He said their officers were terrible.

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=PM0RjiyZv1iEYorhgJBFlA

General Mark Hertling retired after serving almost four decades in the US Army. At the time of his retirement, he commanded US Army Europe and Seventh Army, where he led over forty thousand soldiers, cared for over one hundred thousand family members, and partnered with the armies of fifty countries in the European theater.

https://www.adventhealth.com/adventhealth-press/mark-hertling-dba