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634-5789

(4,175 posts)
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 05:33 AM Feb 2022

Maybe...just maybe...Putin bit off more than he can chew...



To put this in perspective from 1979-1989 during Russia’s war with Afghanistan: Russia lost 333 Helicopter, 118 jets, 147 tanks, 15k personnel. The Ukrainians have destroyed nearly as many tanks, 1 tenth the number of airplanes, 1 fifth the personnel in two days. This is coming from Ukraine's Military so who knows if this inflated for morale.
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Maybe...just maybe...Putin bit off more than he can chew... (Original Post) 634-5789 Feb 2022 OP
K&R, lets say ... HALF ... of that is true its still 100% shit show for Putrid uponit7771 Feb 2022 #1
Wow cilla4progress Feb 2022 #2
Russia is sending their troops into a meat grinder. ColinC Feb 2022 #4
I don't think it is inflated. There are dozens of videos showing ColinC Feb 2022 #3
I suspect more than just a bit. Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #5
K&R UCmeNdc Feb 2022 #6
I find it interesting that 14 planes are claimed. Tetrachloride Feb 2022 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2022 #8
They are defending orangecrush Feb 2022 #9
"who knows if this inflated for morale." blue-wave Feb 2022 #10
These things are always inflated. Edim Feb 2022 #11
Winston Churchill told us that, Chainfire Feb 2022 #12
Another Churchill quote anamnua Feb 2022 #17
I don't believe that Ukraine has much if anything gab13by13 Feb 2022 #13
Def need to send them all help available, less actual humans. 634-5789 Feb 2022 #19
Didn't Ukraine try to get the Iron Dome? I think another country blocked it. JanMichael Feb 2022 #21
Send them RPGs lefthandedskyhook Feb 2022 #14
Besides the loss of equipment and personnel, Russia is rapidly being shut off panader0 Feb 2022 #15
It's believable when you consider that the US and other countries GoCubsGo Feb 2022 #16
And many of the parents, family members, and friends of the dead, the wounded, and those taken ... Botany Feb 2022 #18
Wanna bet Pootie's generals keep telling him how splendidly it's going? tanyev Feb 2022 #20

ColinC

(8,301 posts)
3. I don't think it is inflated. There are dozens of videos showing
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 05:46 AM
Feb 2022

Dozens of burnt up Russian vehicles, weapons, planes getting shot down, etc. It looks just from the footage, these numbers could be pretty accurate.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. I suspect more than just a bit.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 06:13 AM
Feb 2022

Even if the numbers are off, which I suspect they are, things are not going well for the Soviets.

Tetrachloride

(7,847 posts)
7. I find it interesting that 14 planes are claimed.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 06:55 AM
Feb 2022

Either few planes are in the sky and or few anti aircraft missiles.

Putin may be relying on ground forces more than I thought.

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blue-wave

(4,356 posts)
10. "who knows if this inflated for morale."
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 07:56 AM
Feb 2022

Not from what I"m seeing. I will admit it is hard to get information but you can piece it together if your persistent. I don't think the Ukrainian military has any reporters embedded with them. That's smart. Makes it hard for the Russians to get information about tactics and movements.

Chainfire

(17,549 posts)
12. Winston Churchill told us that,
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:25 AM
Feb 2022
"In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies."

I hope that the Ukrainians are whipping the pants off the Russians, but you have to take this kind of information with a grain of salt.

anamnua

(1,113 posts)
17. Another Churchill quote
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:52 AM
Feb 2022

which is depressingly relevant here:
‘We have all the disadvantages of being the gentleman. The enemy has all the advantages
of being the cad (bad guy).’

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
13. I don't believe that Ukraine has much if anything
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:29 AM
Feb 2022

in the way of air defense. We should have armed them with Patriot missiles. I fear that Russia can level Kyiv with its air power but doing so is going to enrage the world. Putin got into something he can't win.

634-5789

(4,175 posts)
19. Def need to send them all help available, less actual humans.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:22 AM
Feb 2022

If we can properly weaponize them, along with the 40,000 NATO troops on the way, Putin will be swiftly defeated.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
21. Didn't Ukraine try to get the Iron Dome? I think another country blocked it.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:39 AM
Feb 2022

Something about batteries?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
15. Besides the loss of equipment and personnel, Russia is rapidly being shut off
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:38 AM
Feb 2022

from the rest of the world economically. They're fucked for a long time. The average Russian
citizen does not like what Putin is trying to do. Air travel to and from Russia is shut down, sports events
are dropping Russia, just about every kind of trade is being affected. Putin's got a military mess
in Ukraine, a looming economic disaster and dissidents at home--yeah, more than he can chew for
certain. Bless the brave Ukraine resistance, they are taking the actual physical brunt, but they will
win this, and long after it's over, Russia will still be screwed.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
16. It's believable when you consider that the US and other countries
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:48 AM
Feb 2022

have been helping arm Ukraine with weapons including Javelin missiles. I'm assuming we'll be sending them more as this drags on. Also consider that Ukraine's military is not exactly small and defenseless, as many seem to assume. They're not the Russian army, but they're also not rag-tag. We sent personnel to help train them in the guerilla tactics that were used on use when we invaded Fallujah in Iraq. And, consider that there have been numerous reports that some in the Russian military aren't exactly battle-ready. Lots of reports of soldiers not wanting to fight their neighbors, and other reports that many are weakened from insufficient food and water. Maybe those numbers are inflated. Maybe not. I tend to believe that they're closer to accurate than not.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
18. And many of the parents, family members, and friends of the dead, the wounded, and those taken ...
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:11 AM
Feb 2022

... prisoner will take to the streets of Russia to protest this unneeded war.

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