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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Russian army has deployed the TOS-1 heavy flamethrower which shoots thermobaric rockets,
this was South of Belgorod.Link to tweet
TOS-1A (Solntsepyok) ⚔️ Russian Heavy Flamethrower MLRS [Review]
Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)the US used in VN.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)A Human Rights Watch report of 1 February 2000[15] quotes a study made by the US Defense Intelligence Agency:
The [blast] kill mechanism against living targets is uniqueand unpleasant. ... What kills is the pressure wave, and more importantly, the subsequent rarefaction [vacuum], which ruptures the lungs. ... If the fuel deflagrates but does not detonate, victims will be severely burned and will probably also inhale the burning fuel. Since the most common FAE fuels, ethylene oxide and propylene oxide, are highly toxic, undetonated FAE should prove as lethal to personnel caught within the cloud as with most chemical agents.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)"Napalm became a necessary weapon of every modern military force, even though its consequences were among the most inhumane. The effectiveness of the weapon overruled its cruelty. In fact, napalm caused carbon monoxide poisoning when used on enclosed environment which wasnt directly hit by fire. The effects of carbon monoxide were well known after the end of WWII, as it was one of the main gasses used for poisoning concentration camp victims.
Out in the open, napalm caused severe burns all over the body, burns which were far worse than the ones caused by fire in general. Human skin becomes covered with viscous magma that resembles tar. Napalm causes wounds that are too deep to heal. In contact with humans, it would immediately stick to the skin and melt the flesh. There is no way to put the fire out, except by smothering it, which causes unbearable pain. In panic, many victims would try to wipe it off, but this only causes the fire to spread, expanding the burn area."
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/vietnam-war/history-napalm-vietnam-war-x.html?chrome=1
It is 2022 compared to 1960's. I would expect some improvements in barbarity in 50 or 60 years. Also in 1980 the UN tagged use of Napalm around civilians a war crime.
Yes the Russian weapon is awful but I don't get saying it is "way" worse than anything used by the US in Vietnam.
Oh wait we still use versions:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-admits-it-used-napalm-bombs-in-iraq-99716.html
Ugh.
Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)like we are now. And now they are subject to this.
Those effects are nauseating.
Liberal In Texas
(13,556 posts)Celerity
(43,408 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)At some level aren't we morally obligated to try to stop the Russians. Isn't this like watching one neighbor assault another? Isn't there a human obligation to intervene?
Celerity
(43,408 posts)NATO/US troops directly engaging with Russian troops?
At that point, you kick off WWIII.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Putin has essentially announced that he will do what he wants, threatening grave consequences to any country who attempts to intervene.
I think we need to think long and hard about when we want to fight WWIII. Is it now. Or is it in the future with an even more emboldened Russia and their ally, China.
I realize we sat and watched for quite a while as Germany decimated Europe before getting into WWII. Maybe we shouldn't have.
I'm not typically hawkish. This feels different to me though.