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President Joe Biden on Donald Trump calling Putin "savvy" and "genius" (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 OP
All the more reason to hope and pray that Ukraine exhausts Russia ck4829 Feb 2022 #1
Now lets be fair here. He already looks like an idiot oldsoftie Feb 2022 #65
But maybe now even some of his wnylib Feb 2022 #72
Can trump look more like an idiot than he already has? The problem is that his followers are idiots Escurumbele Feb 2022 #66
Agree! wnylib Feb 2022 #73
Oh snap . .... Lovie777 Feb 2022 #2
Beat me to it! Oh snap! PatSeg Feb 2022 #3
Most people underestimate a velvet hammer. NT dclarston13 Feb 2022 #6
And often end up regretting it PatSeg Feb 2022 #11
I agree musclecar6 Feb 2022 #9
And that was probably the condensed PatSeg Feb 2022 #13
Oh, yes. Hortensis Feb 2022 #29
Ah yes, the memories PatSeg Feb 2022 #32
I'd forgotten the laughter. It'd probably be difficult for most Republican Hortensis Feb 2022 #36
I think that is why PatSeg Feb 2022 #41
Yes. Some replaced by people who seem to have no Hortensis Feb 2022 #45
Yes, it is like a race to the bottom PatSeg Feb 2022 #50
"too farfetched for the movies and circuses aren't hiring these days." Hortensis Feb 2022 #51
"Now is the time for all good men/women to come to the aid of their country" PatSeg Feb 2022 #52
Yes! And of all the ways we can, one is far and above the most important. Hortensis Feb 2022 #57
Here in Wisconsin many think Ron Johnson is a Russian operative. Ziggysmom Feb 2022 #33
Oh yes, I think he is a Russian operative PatSeg Feb 2022 #43
McCarthy SAID that? oldsoftie Feb 2022 #64
In public, recorded, and so was Paul Ryan rushing to Hortensis Feb 2022 #68
Thank you for the link!!! oldsoftie Feb 2022 #69
I love having the topic recur and getting to spread it. Hortensis Feb 2022 #70
The safe for work version. n/t sarge43 Feb 2022 #34
Exactly PatSeg Feb 2022 #39
Yup sarge43 Feb 2022 #54
Oh, that is priceless PatSeg Feb 2022 #55
or NJCher Feb 2022 #37
Oh yes, I agree PatSeg Feb 2022 #44
Yes, it was expertly done. crickets Feb 2022 #56
lol +1 BeckyDem Feb 2022 #4
Both Putin and Trump are cowardly fools Farmer-Rick Feb 2022 #5
The difference between them is that Putin was a highly trained KGB agent and leader. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #10
I'm not so sure about Putin being highly trained or a leader Farmer-Rick Feb 2022 #19
You know, Putin can't possibly be a coward; he's chosen Hortensis Feb 2022 #46
But who made Russia such a wolf pack? Farmer-Rick Feb 2022 #58
Okay. We can agree he's not a good leader. Hortensis Feb 2022 #62
The problem with murdering your way to the top is all your "friends" now think of murder as a tool tclambert Feb 2022 #47
100 percent accurate musclecar6 Feb 2022 #17
All I know Rebl2 Feb 2022 #24
Man, is THAT ever true. calimary Feb 2022 #30
Yup, that covers it. Magoo48 Feb 2022 #7
Biden needs to be more visible on Ukraine. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #8
He's been visible. He's spoken to the American people on live TV, his office has let us know about... Hekate Feb 2022 #48
Joe did it matter-of-factly without blinking an eye. KS Toronado Feb 2022 #12
That makes me laugh! Butterflylady Feb 2022 #14
Joe knows how to throw some shade! Martin Eden Feb 2022 #15
Yes musclecar6 Feb 2022 #23
Far too many flag waving "patriots" on the right are either useful idiots Martin Eden Feb 2022 #31
Trumps has no ties to Putin, except for... Jetheels Feb 2022 #16
Maybe Al Franken is behind the scenes writing these great lines! Nt spooky3 Feb 2022 #18
Indeed. Trump needs to be pacing back and forth in a federal PatrickforB Feb 2022 #20
That's a nice thought musclecar6 Feb 2022 #25
Now, that is a nice thought. This is a man who does not exercise, and PatrickforB Feb 2022 #27
Burn ointment needed at F-A-Lago. The Unmitigated Gall Feb 2022 #21
1+ keithbvadu2 Feb 2022 #22
Ha! BlueWavePsych Feb 2022 #26
Excellent! 👏👏👏👏 SheltieLover Feb 2022 #28
This made me laugh SuperCoder Feb 2022 #35
Great retort Mr President Roc2020 Feb 2022 #38
🇺🇸K&R🇺🇸 spanone Feb 2022 #40
Touche' Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 #42
To be fair, from Trump's point of view, even profoundly stupid people look like geniuses. tclambert Feb 2022 #49
Kick mcar Feb 2022 #53
Joe's response is much better than what mine would have been soldierant Feb 2022 #59
Mr. Ed was a stable genius. Drumpf is an unstable sociopathic narcissist with dictatorial ambitions Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #60
I'd vote for Mr. Ed over Donnie Goebbels. wnylib Feb 2022 #74
Fun fact; Mr. Ed was the most popular show in Poland for years after originally broadcast. Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #75
I'm so glad so many are seeing this! Cha Feb 2022 #61
BURN 🔥 SunSeeker Feb 2022 #63
SCORCH.. on So Many Levels!🔥🔥🔥 Cha Feb 2022 #78
Yep! SunSeeker Feb 2022 #79
No Kidding! Cha Feb 2022 #80
You can see him almost crack a smile. mercuryblues Feb 2022 #67
I love Joe! brer cat Feb 2022 #71
BTC is great! I was glad to see Biden do an interview with him. SouthernDem4ever Feb 2022 #76
Very hard to top this short video. Sums up Donald Trump totally. Stuart G Feb 2022 #77
I didn't watch the interview but that's awesome! Catherine Vincent Feb 2022 #81
Mic drop of the decade. L. Coyote Feb 2022 #82
KICK 4 TRUTH!💙 Cha Feb 2022 #83
+1 Hiawatha Pete Feb 2022 #85
PJB on TFG calling Putin "savvy" and "genius" SledDriver Feb 2022 #84
Lol! TY! Cha Feb 2022 #86
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #87

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
1. All the more reason to hope and pray that Ukraine exhausts Russia
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:25 AM
Feb 2022

Because if you thought Trump was scary, Trump 2.0 is going to be an outright nightmare.

But if this happens, if he backed the wrong horse, then Trump's just going to look like an idiot here.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
66. Can trump look more like an idiot than he already has? The problem is that his followers are idiots
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 07:48 PM
Feb 2022

and many of them corrupt who do not mind to be seen as idiots.

trump 2.0 will never happen, he is going to jail. We all need to stop talking about trump and 2024, he will not be running from jail, we need to continue saying/writing that trump IS going to jail...lets make it happen.

musclecar6

(1,690 posts)
9. I agree
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:54 AM
Feb 2022


A priceless response. The guy who self aggrandized himself was described by his well known professor at the University of Pennsylvania as “ the dumbest goddamn student I ever had”.

You go Joe. You do us proud.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Oh, yes.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:00 PM
Feb 2022
Kevin McCarthy: "There's two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump."

I think the list known and/or strongly suspected of people compromised and having cooperated with Putin is much longer and they do discuss them privately.

PatSeg

(47,498 posts)
32. Ah yes, the memories
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:24 PM
Feb 2022

The most disturbing part was the laughter that followed the remark.

I agree, the list is undoubtedly much longer today. Too many people in politics are motivated by power and greed and Putin has their number, not to mention kompromat on a lot of them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. I'd forgotten the laughter. It'd probably be difficult for most Republican
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:38 PM
Feb 2022

politicians and other operatives these days to NOT compromise themselves given what they're part of. All the Kremlin needs is someone collecting evidence, but my guess is they shorten the time necessary to develop assets by setting them up in the first place.

Anyone can blackmail, though. Democratic insiders must invest extensive attention in figuring out who's working for who.

PatSeg

(47,498 posts)
41. I think that is why
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:33 PM
Feb 2022

some republicans retired early from political office during the Trump years. Either they couldn't compromise THAT much or they had issues they couldn't afford to be made public.

Sadly, being a decent person with principles doesn't get one far in the republican party these days. I remember Jeff Flake's impressive and emotional speech on the senate floor, but most republicans just blew it off. Being a republican and having genuine principles just doesn't work anymore. Look at Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. I disagree with them on almost everything, but at least they are loyal to the country they serve. They got thrown under the bus by fellow republicans.

The republican party needs to die. It is too late to salvage it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Yes. Some replaced by people who seem to have no
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:49 PM
Feb 2022

conventional respectability to protect, for themselves or family. I'm serious in believing the Repub Party's been attracting sociopaths and concscienceless psychopaths in numbers far larger than their representation in the population, as well as extremists. And then there's what their voters have turned into.

PatSeg

(47,498 posts)
50. Yes, it is like a race to the bottom
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:14 PM
Feb 2022

Each new batch of republican candidates are worse than the ones before. Every carpetbagger and grifter in the country is now attracted to the republican party - so much money and power and no needed qualifications, experience, or skills. You just know that some of them saw fools like Trump on TV and said, "Shit, I can do that! There's huge market for crazy and outrageous and I have plenty to spare." They are performers first and foremost, but too farfetched for the movies and circuses aren't hiring these days.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. "too farfetched for the movies and circuses aren't hiring these days."
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:41 PM
Feb 2022

That says it, all right.

But the Republican Party is -- with toxic extremist and political warfare assistance.

You're right. We all need to grab the hoes and rakes and head to the polls.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
57. Yes! And of all the ways we can, one is far and above the most important.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:46 PM
Feb 2022

Tuesday. May 1 is another set of elections.

Like your flags!

Ziggysmom

(3,408 posts)
33. Here in Wisconsin many think Ron Johnson is a Russian operative.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:27 PM
Feb 2022

He and the other repubes that went to Russia on the 4th of July during the reign of terror.

Obama was our first black President, while tRumpy bare was the first blackmailed president.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
68. In public, recorded, and so was Paul Ryan rushing to
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 07:50 PM
Feb 2022

shut down the chat. Too late. Made both big wire services, all the major MSM, I guess too big to ignore completely.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
54. Yup
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:00 PM
Feb 2022

I'm sure POTUS can take the bark off trees when the occasion calls for it.

Reminds me of a Truman story: During a WH soiree a DC society matron approached Bess and said, "Mrs Truman, can't you have the president used a better word than 'manure'?

Mrs Truman, "Do have any idea how long it took me to get him to use manure instead of the Missouri term?"

NJCher

(35,685 posts)
37. or
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:51 PM
Feb 2022
people underestimate Joe!

I don't underestimate him; I admire him for not going jab for jab. What's the old saying about rolling around with pigs in the mud?

However, I think a well-timed twist of the knife, like this one is, is essential, as trump's remarks were egregious. If one was ever going to wield the rapier, this was the time.

PatSeg

(47,498 posts)
44. Oh yes, I agree
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:40 PM
Feb 2022

He saves those little zingers for the right moment and uses them sparingly and discriminately. This was the right moment and it was short and to the point. Trump on the other hand can't open his mouth without insulting and denigrating someone. It is almost like a compulsion with him. I'm not sure he can help himself, like Tourette's syndrome.

crickets

(25,981 posts)
56. Yes, it was expertly done.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:20 PM
Feb 2022

The quiet, deftly wielded razor has a more devastating effect than a flurry of punches.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
5. Both Putin and Trump are cowardly fools
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:50 AM
Feb 2022

Neither of them have ever done anything brave or nobel. They hide behind the wealth they stole. And they are both colluding to crush democracy.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
10. The difference between them is that Putin was a highly trained KGB agent and leader.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:56 AM
Feb 2022

He no doubt murdered with impunity on his way to the top leadership of Russia and then collected people around him who were willing to do the same. Trump is nothing but a coward afraid of his own shadow.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
19. I'm not so sure about Putin being highly trained or a leader
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:28 AM
Feb 2022

He made O5 in 16 years. I have friends in the military who did it in a lot less time. Yeah, the KGB is not like our military, but if he was so good and smart, why didn't he make rank quicker?

And he stepped into a position that was formerly a dictatorship. And then he just took it back to the dictatorship. I think it would have been more difficult, more like a real leader, to have taken it in a different way, to a democracy, real communism or socialism. That would have required dynamic leadership to step out of the past dictatorial frame of government and into another form of government. But Putin didn't have the vision and drive that effort would have taken.

I really think Putin took the easy way because he's a psychopath. Much like American CEOs and the filthy rich, he does the easy things to get himself wealth and power. Most of the time those easy things are cruel, narcissistic, nasty and harmfull to others. But that's not leadership. For a psychopath, that's going with the flow.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. You know, Putin can't possibly be a coward; he's chosen
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:59 PM
Feb 2022

to live a very dangerous life for decades. It's others who've died or are in prison or exiled as a result.

He may well be a psychopath, but I'd argue that anyone who survived against years of extremely intense and ruthless (murderous!) competition to become dictator of Russia has to have had a lot more than luck going for him.

And seems to me that anyone who leads a nation is a leader, the question being what kind. In any case, a majority of Russians supported the invasion because he's their leader and they're followers. And if those opposed are too noisy about it, the leader orders police to clear and round up however many thousands are needed from the streets, imprisons the leaders, and maybe has a couple of special object lessons tossed out of high windows.

I can certainly agree that this one's a cruel, possibly narcissistic or disordered in some other way, definitely extremely nasty and harmful leader. He wouldn't be considered competent by democratic standards, but then Biden wouldn't last long enough among the wolf pack at the top of Russia's government to become a lousy authoritarian dictator.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
58. But who made Russia such a wolf pack?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 06:00 PM
Feb 2022

Putin did. When he took over it was headed into a democracy. He got voted into office ...at least the first time.

I really don't believe that the majority of Russians want this war. Like the majority of Americans didn't want W's and Cheney's war. But the US was attacked and nobody attacked Putin. Putin's war is criticized by all corners because he inspires only criminals and thieves like him.

No, he's not a bad leader. He's not a leader at all. Just cause you become a dictator doesn't make you a leader, in fact it's just the opposite of a leader. He's a psychopath creating a little psychotic world in Russia. That's not leadership. That's just doing what he wants. He was an incompetent officer......making 05 in 16 years that's hmmm average or a bit below average. He had no vision. He inspires no one.

He uses propaganda and manipulates our very stupid American oligarchs like Trump. I've met good leaders and they don't lead by fear, punishment and hate. That's the lazy man's way to manage. But not indicative of great leadership skills.

No, becoming a tyrannical dictator does not make him a good leader. It makes him a crazy man.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
47. The problem with murdering your way to the top is all your "friends" now think of murder as a tool
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:02 PM
Feb 2022

they can use, too. Putin's gonna get a sore neck from looking over his shoulder all the time.

musclecar6

(1,690 posts)
17. 100 percent accurate
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:18 AM
Feb 2022


Those two represent the worst of their countries, not the best like we are so fortunate to have in Joe and Kamala. Thank goodness enough of us voted to put them in office, or just imagine if TFG ( and his complicit republicans) and his russian BFF were running wild.

The part that really pisses me off, is not the 2 megalomaniacs in question, but the fact that the republican party has thrown in with our Orange would be Hitler, Stalin, Saddam etc. This is the republican party we’re talking about, not the KKK or American Nazi Party etc, but the other major political party. WTF is wrong with these people ? Are you out of your fucking minds ? Don’t you realize how dangerous this path is ? Sheesh.

Rebl2

(13,523 posts)
24. All I know
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:44 AM
Feb 2022

is their grandparents or great grandparents would be so ashamed and shocked that they would back Hitler, Stalin, the Nazis. They fought for this country to be free from these murderous dictators and now many republicans back these people.

calimary

(81,308 posts)
30. Man, is THAT ever true.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:14 PM
Feb 2022

That the GOP would vocally express that preference is a slap in the face to every American war veteran (like my dad and father-in-law) who ever lived.

And it’s just for the sake of standing against a Democratic President, out of sheer spite.

Wow. Impressive.

Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
8. Biden needs to be more visible on Ukraine.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:53 AM
Feb 2022

IMO, he needs to be seen in consultation with our allies right now. I think he wants to avoid making this a US vs Russia thing, and I get it. But he’s a major player no matter what and he needs to be seen as taking action and offering leadership.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
48. He's been visible. He's spoken to the American people on live TV, his office has let us know about...
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:05 PM
Feb 2022

…his direct negotiations (“consultation”) with members of NATO and the EU and others. I don’t know how much more visible he can be.

One of the first things he did in office was visit Europe and say, “America’s back,” and he began to repair NATO.

Not sure what more you want. He’s been very personally involved at all times, and there are press sources for that.


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Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
15. Joe knows how to throw some shade!
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:12 AM
Feb 2022

The Republican response to Russia attacking Ukraine has been to attack the current American president. They don't see this in terms of authoritarianism vs democracy; they see it as an opportunity to spin false narratives for partisan political advantage.

The sad truth is the Republican Party is still in thrall to and following the lead of the Russian asset Putin helped put in the White House. TFG idolizes the Russian dictator and has similar ambitions for himself, caring not a whit for the institutions of democracy which are the foundation of American greatness.

The Cold War may have ended but the global struggle between democracy and authoritarianism goes on. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a hot battlefield in a conflict being waged on many fronts, including right here in the USA. Many on the right have heaped praise Vladimir Putin while characterizing the Jan 6 violent assault on our nation's Capitol as either a false flag operation or legitimate political discourse. In the wake of the attempted coup they are still embracing the Big Lie of a stolen election and taking action to actually steal the next one by suppressing the vote and installing partisan operatives to overturn results at the state level.

To defeat authoritarianism abroad we must first win the struggle to secure our democracy at home.

musclecar6

(1,690 posts)
23. Yes
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:36 AM
Feb 2022

You’ve identified exactly what needs to be done. It’s disheartening that we have to fight ignorant fuckheads in our country to preserve democracy. You would think 100 percent of our citizens would be all in to not let authoritarianism be our form of government. The USA has been a beacon of light and hope for people throughout the world. The good news is, we couldn’t have better leaders in Joe and Kamala to constantly beat the drum to not let the dark side of our crazy citizens take over, as they are trying to steer us into the ditch.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
31. Far too many flag waving "patriots" on the right are either useful idiots
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:15 PM
Feb 2022

... for authoritarianism, or consciously taking that side in this struggle. American Nazis have been around for generations, but the poisonous well from which that springs has been overflowing since Putin's orange asset energized and exposed the rotten core of American "conservatism."

Biden, Harris, and other Democratic leaders need to reaffirm the core of American values and call out those who betray it without falling into the trap of bitter divisiveness. Americans at war with each other is exactly what Putin had in mind when he threw his efforts into putting TFG in the White House.

PatrickforB

(14,576 posts)
20. Indeed. Trump needs to be pacing back and forth in a federal
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:31 AM
Feb 2022

prison cell. He's nothing but a traitorous rat.

musclecar6

(1,690 posts)
25. That's a nice thought
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:44 AM
Feb 2022


In a perfect world. Unfortunately way too many people voted for this despicable dunce the last time around and still think he’s the second coming. I keep hoping for the cheeseburgers to win the day.

PatrickforB

(14,576 posts)
27. Now, that is a nice thought. This is a man who does not exercise, and
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:47 AM
Feb 2022

eats buckets of junk food. He can't be in good health.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
49. To be fair, from Trump's point of view, even profoundly stupid people look like geniuses.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:12 PM
Feb 2022

It's a matter of perspective, dontcha know. It's like when he's down on his knees, kissing Putin's butt, Putin looks tall.

soldierant

(6,884 posts)
59. Joe's response is much better than what mine would have been
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 06:01 PM
Feb 2022

necause I might be willng to concede that Putin has a touch of evil genius.

That ploy of "recognizing" traitors in certain areas was much easier and less costly than setting up an actual false flag operation, complete with Russian bodies, as an excuse. And pure evil.

But "clever" does not a genius make.

Expect Trump** to offer to recognize Florida and Texas as independent nations ... for starters.

Evolve Dammit

(16,741 posts)
75. Fun fact; Mr. Ed was the most popular show in Poland for years after originally broadcast.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:43 PM
Feb 2022

And yes, much preferable over the Orange One.

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