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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor reference: Trump spent more than four years undermining Ukraine and promoting Russian interests
When you hear idiots trying to make the "Putin would never have invaded if Trump were president" argument...
Trump's campaign manager was a pro-Putin stooge who previously helped the Kremlin install a puppet government in Ukraine.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-did-ex-trump-aide-paul-manafort-really-do-ukraine-n775431
Trump stated that Putin was a stronger leader than the U.S. president.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-putin-leader-obama-military-town-hall/story?id=41936057
Trump had the Republican Party platform changed to water down support for Ukraine.
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support
Trump attempted to extort President Zelenskyy by refusing to provide assistance to Ukraine.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/30/trump-impeachment-blackmail-extortion-conspiracy-column/4612952002/
After Russia was expelled from the G8 for invading Crimea, Trump repeatedly praised Putin on the world stage and publicly stated that he wanted Russia back in the G8.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52885178
Trump publicly stated that he trusted Putin more than he trusted U.S. intelligence agencies.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-says-he-trusts-vladimir-putin-more-than-us-intelligence-and-asks-joe-biden-to-send-his-warmest-regards/ar-AAKVqyd
Trump repeatedly undermined NATO...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/16/trump-shows-trusts-ex-kgb-agent-putin-more-than-us-intelligence
...to the point where he was threatening to completely pull the U.S. out of the treaty, which would have been Putin's dream scenario.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nato-south-korea-book-b1883457.html
Even now Trump is sitting on the sidelines cheering on Putin as he invades Ukraine.
https://local12.com/news/nation-world/former-president-donald-trump-applauds-russian-president-vladimir-putin-action-toward-ukraine-calls-it-genius-russia-invasion-conflict-attack-invade-kremlin-army-tanks-peace-independent-land
Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine when Trump was president because Trump was already giving him everything he wanted on a silver platter. If Trump had won re-election, there's a good chance that he would have actually tried to pull the U.S. out of NATO, which would have left Europe completely at Putin's mercy. Why would Putin invade Ukraine when there was a chance that could have happened?
Putin only chose now to invade because after four years of Trump's weak leadership, Biden was rebuilding international support against Russia. Putin's invasion is an act of desperation.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)erronis
(15,303 posts)Capitalism is also a nasty economic model when paired with autocrats - they go so well together.
The New Deal under FDR set the beginning of a US society with more social and economic fairness. Does not mesh well with pultocrats/oligarchs/entitled brats.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)KS Toronado
(17,259 posts)The look on IQ4.5's face says Putler just chewed his ass out.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)and we all know that Trump has major "Daddy" issues. Meanwhile, Putin looks smug and triumphant.
erronis
(15,303 posts)What a sorry character all of those RWNJs have selected as their Dear Leader, their messiah, their get-out-of-jail card.
I guess the human race is still sorting out the wheat and the chaff.
newdayneeded
(1,955 posts)I think the pics speak a 1000 words. Look at Obama's pics, very few are bad light, goofy looking, or fowl mood. Then look at donny's pics, VERY few are actually good pics of him in a good light, with an up-beat look. The evil just runs through his veins.
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,967 posts)is a dog collar and leash on Trump.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,011 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)because most don't connect the dots.
spanone
(135,844 posts)since the 1980s. I seem to remember the Russian mafia from the 80s and 90s. Maybe he got involved with them back then.
Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)He was reported to have brought in illegal workers from Poland to work in it. Perhaps the Russian mafia helped him do that. At that time, Poland was just as the beginning of their anti-communist protests.
He also paid fines for his irregular casino banking reports involving Russians, probably also Russian mafia. He acts too much like a mafia boss to have had no interactions with a mafia, including his refusal to out anything in writing except business documents.
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Thank you!
mopinko
(70,127 posts)i do believe they had a deal. tdfg was smart enough to know he wouldnt get re-elected if pootie started another war.
but a 2nd term? anything goes.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)broiles
(1,367 posts)onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)OMGWTF
(3,959 posts)Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,967 posts)calimary
(81,320 posts)A SUPER KEEPER!
NNadir
(33,525 posts)...Trump effected during his 4 hellish years as President and the division he created.
Nevilledog
(51,121 posts)liberalla
(9,249 posts)if he got the second term. Very sobering thought there... Thank you again for all you do.
c-rational
(2,594 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,429 posts)Wild blueberry
(6,636 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Justice matters.
(6,933 posts)I request we can R multiple times if not just for this thread!!
Or, if not possible, pin this OP on DU's Front Page!
EleanorR
(2,393 posts)They actively supported him, remained silent, said he'd learned his lesson, pretended they didn't know and finally, they failed to convict him. This is on ALL of them.
Link to tweet
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)gademocrat7
(10,659 posts)Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)Hugin
(33,163 posts)Along with a few others with respect to other prominent Republicans and media figures.
kiranon
(1,727 posts)Trying to find a way to send it to a close relative who, at least, is pro choice but falls for the propaganda every time. All I have to do is see the Republican talking points for the day, to see what email he will send next. But we do talk, and visit and I try to get him to not fall all the way. He doesn't want Trump to run again. There's some hope but not much.
excellent analysis
raccoon
(31,111 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)--that Trump in office would somehow prevent Putin from doing a thing Trump praises Putin for doing--is the kind of blatant belligerent ignorance & lack of logic that defines, disgraces, and ought to destroy today's Republican party.
Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)Lays it all out in a very coherent form.